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[Faust1979]

 I have the first 4 but so far have only read two. But so far the books are really good. They are long and full of adventure and they are pretty imaginative and dark Violent to sometimes. The second book branches off into several different adventures with all the characters but it all comes together at the end in a nice way. If you love fantasy you should give these books a try

[AntiChri5]

Read them all. Good at first but after a while.....GIVE IT UP MR. GOODKIND, NOBODY CARES ABOUT YOUR POLITICAL VEIWS!!! YES WE GET IT!! YOU EXPLAINED THAT IDEA FIVE PAGES AGO!! ONLY A RETARDED MONKEY HAS FAILED TO GET YOUR MESSAGE!!



And then.



WTF!! YOU ALREADY EXPLAINED TO THE UNIVERSE HOW GREAT YOUR BELIEFS ARE IN THIS BOOK!! AND THE LAST BLOODY ONE!! AND THE ONE BEFORE THAT!!



But now.



THE BOOKS WERE FINE!! WHAT WANKER DECIDED TO MAKE A ******-POOR TV SHOW OUT OF THEM!!! WHY DO WE NEED A SLOW MOTION FIGHT EVERY 6.7 DAMN SECONDS!!

[Seagloom]

It is to my eternal shame that my mom is a Legend of the Seeker fan. I never read the Sword of Truth books myself. Had no idea they were thinly veiled political platforms. Disappointing...

[Godak]

Legend of the Seeker is good, dumb fun. It's the only live action fantasy show I can think of, actually. They should really make Wheel of Time into and HBO series...That would make me a happy boy!

[AntiChri5]

Seagloom wrote...

It is to my eternal shame that my mom is a Legend of the Seeker fan. I never read the Sword of Truth books myself. Had no idea they were thinly veiled political platforms. Disappointing...

every now and then it was like the author had a delibarate stop just to rant for a page or five. I wouldnt have minded if he stopped after he had made himself clear three pages ago.

[AntiChri5]

Godak wrote...

Legend of the Seeker is good, dumb fun. It's the only live action fantasy show I can think of, actually. They should really make Wheel of Time into and HBO series...That would make me a happy boy!

How much sudden slow mo can a show take?

[Panderfringe]

I have never read such misogynist bull that Mr. Goodkind has put out. I cannot in good faith recommend them, nor can I really respect anyone who enjoys the books.

[AntiChri5]

Panderfringe wrote...

I have never read such misogynist bull that Mr. Goodkind has put out. I cannot in good faith recommend them, nor can I really respect anyone who enjoys the books.

Could you be a bit more specific? Examples? i dont remember any but it has been a while.

[Godak]

AntiChri5 wrote...

Godak wrote...

Legend of the Seeker is good, dumb fun. It's the only live action fantasy show I can think of, actually. They should really make Wheel of Time into and HBO series...That would make me a happy boy!

How much sudden slow mo can a show take?

They've tuned it down for the second season, thank god. I remember the first few episodes...Ick!

[Jae Onasi]

The TV series is fun, I just wish there were as many cute buns as there are humungous boobs. I'm not getting 'misogynist' out of Goodkind's novels at all--all his female characters are very strong women.



The description is great and his world-building is delightful, but yes, he definitely needs an editor to come in and prune out a lot of the "Reason is Number One!!11!!!111!!!!!eleventy-one!!11!!!" and "Let's describe the brutality of the Order one more time, in case you missed the gawdawful things they do 3 pages back!" I love the main characters, and when he gets going on his story telling and gets off his Objectivist soapbox, the stories themselves are wonderful. Darken Rahl was a fantastic antagonist in the book, Jagang not nearly as interesting--he comes across more as a brute than someone with multi-layered motives that would flesh him out so much better. The good things in his stories far outweigh the annoyances, and I've learned to skim over the few repetitive things to get to the exciting parts. I've been reading the entire series over the last 9 months or so, and have enjoyed all the books. I've also learned a lot about writing richly-detailed descriptions in ways that just draw you into the scene and let you feel like you're really there with the characters, viewing, hearing, and smelling everything they are.

[Godak]

Jae speaks the truth. There are four very big boobies in the T.V. show. There are sometimes guest boobies, too.



Quality television, that.

[AntiChri5]

I did notice the boobies.



A year or two ago that would have been enough.



But now i am a big boy!

[Panderfringe]

Jae Onasi wrote...

I'm not getting 'misogynist' out of Goodkind's novels at all--all his female characters are very strong women.

Hahaha.

Oh, wow.

Jae Onasi wrote...

The description is great and his world-building is delightful,

Hahahahaha!

I've
also learned a lot about writing richly-detailed descriptions in ways
that just draw you into the scene and let you feel like you're really
there with the characters, viewing, hearing, and smelling everything
they are.

You learned that from... from Goodkind?

HAHAHAHAHAHA!

But seriously, **** Goodkind.

Modifié par Panderfringe, 22 février 2010 - 05:09 .

[Godak]

Panderfringe wrote...

HAHAHAHAHAHA!

But seriously, **** Goodkind.

Citing a source that relies soley on hyperbole does not help you get your point across.

[Panderfringe]

Godak wrote...

Panderfringe wrote...

HAHAHAHAHAHA!

But seriously, **** Goodkind.

Citing a source that relies soley on hyperbole does not help you get your point across.

And that sources its own stuff, directly from Goodkind's works. And it's not exactly hyperbole, more like simplified summaries.

[Godak]

Panderfringe wrote...

Godak wrote...

Panderfringe wrote...

HAHAHAHAHAHA!

But seriously, **** Goodkind.

Citing a source that relies soley on hyperbole does not help you get your point across.

And that sources its own stuff, directly from Goodkind's works. And it's not exactly hyperbole, more like simplified summaries.

It mocks events by making large exaggerations. "Hyperbole" seems to fit pretty well.

EDIT: Also, they misquote many things even though they directly link to the source. Pffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffft.

Modifié par Godak, 22 février 2010 - 05:27 .

[AntiChri5]

Pander, there are so many books so much more mysogynistic than this you really are better off devoting your time to them.

[Seagloom]

Pern instantly springs to mind...

[AntiChri5]

Gor.



Get out the torches.

[hangmans tree]

SOT was fun. Not great literature, but entertainning and captivating.

Mysogyny? Maybe as a (artistic) tool to cross a point, a blunt tool, but tool.

The site linked...hyperbole is not the problem, lack of comperhension is. Not to mention hte one who wrote the points clearly didnt read the books. That list fails at quoting, comparing, understanding, stating...and much more.

Like Godak said: pffffft.

I could make more gravious accusations and I liked the books. Eg. the ending - Narnia nad Prince Caspian syndrome...that is not a good way to end series. It feels like the imaginative power sank to the point of plagiarism.

[Godak]

My pffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffft is longer.



Anyway, not ALL the points are hyperboles, very true. (I made a hyperbole when I said everything was a hyperbole). Most are just taking things out of context, or completely misquoting. It's pretty funny that they would try to kick Goodkind for his literary skills, when they themselves are barely capable of understanding a simple paragraph.

[bzombo]

Faust1979 wrote...

 I have the first 4 but so far have only read two. But so far the books are really good. They are long and full of adventure and they are pretty imaginative and dark Violent to sometimes. The second book branches off into several different adventures with all the characters but it all comes together at the end in a nice way. If you love fantasy you should give these books a try

they are good. i read the first 5 ages ago and just now started reading book 6. life and other books got in the way of finishing. i really like the series, though. now that i've streamlined what i read now i think i'll get the series finished sometimes soon. the people that don't like goodkind's politics i can sympathize with to a degree, but as much as he speaks about personal freedom it makes me wonder what you believe that one gets tired of people fighting for freedom and getting out from under tyrannical rule?

[bzombo]

Panderfringe wrote...

I have never read such misogynist bull that Mr. Goodkind has put out. I cannot in good faith recommend them, nor can I really respect anyone who enjoys the books.

your lack of respect for people who enjoy reading a series of books makes you as bad as you accuse goodkind of being.

[Jae Onasi]

Panderfringe wrote...
You learned that from... from Goodkind?

HAHAHAHAHAHA!

Yeah, I learned some description techniques from Goodkind, and some things not to do (get repetitive).  He's a best-selling fantasy author with a highly successful series--he didn't get to that point by being awful.   If you had actually read his books, you'd know what I was talking about.  Since you've relied on some website that doesn't even quote him correctly for your information to do your reasoning for you, and you don't even pretend to try  to answer my comments intelligently, your opinion is about as useful as ****leburrs on my dog.  

Modifié par Jae Onasi, 23 février 2010 - 01:05 .

[Godak]

Jae Onasi wrote...

Panderfringe wrote...
You learned that from... from Goodkind?

HAHAHAHAHAHA!

Yeah, I learned some description techniques from Goodkind, and some things not to do (get repetitive).  He's a best-selling fantasy author with a highly successful series--he didn't get to that point by being awful.   If you had actually read his books, you'd know what I was talking about.  Since you've relied on some website that doesn't even quote him correctly for your information to do your reasoning for you, and you don't even pretend to try  to answer my questions intelligently, your opinion is about as useful as ****leburrs on my dog.  

Jeeze, Jae! He's already on the ground as it is, bleeding from every visible orifice! Do you really want to kick him again?

...Yes? Me too.