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[SFKServant]

Hello, if u can help I would be pleased, I dont want to kill loghain
and I want alistair and anora to rule jointly, I hardend alistairs
personality, but the problem is the first comes out the question kill
or dont kill loghain, as I wrote up I choose not, that annoys alistair,
anore is pissed alistairs status and they refused to marry WTF! how to
to that just explain me what dialouge choices I have to try. In the one
page thay write it is possible if u harden alistairs personality and
maybe thats the problem I choosed "everyone plays for himslef, you
shoul know it" in the alsitairs personal quest but it is not maybe
enough.. answer thx

[NugWrangler]

You have to choose between Alistair and Loghain at this point, you can't have them both. If you let Loghain live, Alistair will get angry and leave the party no matter what you do. So if you want Alistair to rule with Anora, you have to kill Loghain.

[Herr Uhl]

BPearl12 wrote...

You have to choose between Alistair and Loghain at this point, you can't have them both. If you let Loghain live, Alistair will get angry and leave the party no matter what you do. So if you want Alistair to rule with Anora, you have to kill Loghain.

Not true, if you harden him first, he'll just ragequit on your party, not the throne.

[LukeDodds94]

If you let Loghain live,

and alistair leaves

does that mean that Loghain will replace Allastair in Awakening..?

[ejoslin]

Edit: nothing to see, move along . ..  (explanation in my second post )

Modifié par ejoslin, 21 février 2010 - 11:28 .

[Bullets McDeath]

nvm

Modifié par outlaworacle, 21 février 2010 - 08:09 .

[mousestalker]

Alistair has temper tantrum, quits party.

dialogue follows.

You get the option: "But I thought you two were going to get married" (or something like that).
Anora tells Alistair to settle down.
Loveless marriage follows.

Modifié par mousestalker, 21 février 2010 - 08:11 .

[Dave of Canada]

When I got this ending, I had:

To harden Alistair, after the Goldanna quest tell him that people are bad and greedy. He'll toughen up at this, becoming more serious and less.. alistairy.



Arrange the wedding, go to the Landsmeet and let him live. Alistair will be furious at you, but won't back down from the throne and marry. He'll just not join you on your quest for the Archdemon.



He becomes a serious king instead of the "commoner" king, suprising Anora.

[LukeDodds94]

If you let Loghain live,

and alistair leaves

does that mean that Loghain will replace Allastair in Awakening..?



& is there a way to keep them both well,

I like Allastair but i also like Lohgain

[Dave of Canada]

LukeDodds94 wrote...

If you let Loghain live,
and alistair leaves
does that mean that Loghain will replace Allastair in Awakening..?

& is there a way to keep them both well,
I like Allastair but i also like Lohgain

Most likely with the Loghain thing, but you can't have them in your party at once.

[SFKServant]

well when I choose "But I thought you two were going to get married" Alistair will say "surprising how the plans changes ha?" he will refuse, I know this option must be possible I read about that but I cant perform that, when I spare loghain alistair becomes pissed and he wont marry anora, however he agreed with that before as anora did... I am trapped
and I hardened him during personal quest wih goldana. WTF!?

Modifié par SFKServant, 21 février 2010 - 08:43 .

[Nobody Important]

SFKServant wrote...

well when I choose "But I thought you two were going to get married" Alistair will say "surprising how the plans changes ha?" he will refuse, I know this option must be possible I read about that but I cant perform that, when I spare loghain alistair becomes pissed and he wont marry anora, however he agreed with that before as anora did... I am trapped
and I hardened him during personal quest wih goldana. WTF!?

Did you make them agree to marry before the Alienage? Are you absolutely sure Alistair is hardened?  I think that is the line he says if he is unhardened. 7 of my 9 characters have hardened Alistair and Anora married with Loghain living so its definitely possible.

[Slarth79]

I had the same issue. Hardened Alistair, they both agree'd to marry before the Landsmeet, I spared Loghain, Alistair went mad & refused to marry Anora, forcing me to pick between the two. I'm on the PS3 if that makes a difference.

[Ramante]

SFKServant wrote...

well when I choose "But I thought you two were going to get married" Alistair will say "surprising how the plans changes ha?" he will refuse, I know this option must be possible I read about that but I cant perform that, when I spare loghain alistair becomes pissed and he wont marry anora, however he agreed with that before as anora did... I am trapped
and I hardened him during personal quest wih goldana. WTF!?

How high is your coercion?
Who fought Loghain, Alistair or your Warden? I never let Alistair fight Loghain but I read somewhere that when Alistair fights him things are different since Alistair practically forces you to have Loghain executed.

[zaim298]

I pulled this off on my 2nd playthrough I think. Hardened Alistair with "everyone is out for themselves" option, I convinve them both to get married at Arl Eamon Estate. The during the Landsmeet, I said let Loghain atone n go through the Joining Ritual, Alistair is pissed as hell n said something like "if I have to take the throne n become King to see Loghain punished, then so be it". Anora's like freaking out. Then I said "aren't u two gona get married?". Alistair whine a little bit more saying "funny how things works". But then Anora interrupts "so it is done" n start rallying the troops. That's how much I can remember, and I always have full Coercion in every game (dunno if this affect anything but Alistair is at 100% approval).



That is the most satisfying ending for me, Loghain did the final blow n remembered a hero.

[Slarth79]

zaim298 wrote...

I pulled this off on my 2nd playthrough I think. Hardened Alistair with "everyone is out for themselves" option, I convinve them both to get married at Arl Eamon Estate. The during the Landsmeet, I said let Loghain atone n go through the Joining Ritual, Alistair is pissed as hell n said something like "if I have to take the throne n become King to see Loghain punished, then so be it". Anora's like freaking out. Then I said "aren't u two gona get married?". Alistair whine a little bit more saying "funny how things works". But then Anora interrupts "so it is done" n start rallying the troops. That's how much I can remember, and I always have full Coercion in every game (dunno if this affect anything but Alistair is at 100% approval).


That is the most satisfying ending for me, Loghain did the final blow n remembered a hero.

I did everything you did (I also have full Coercion every game) except having Alistair at 100%, with me he was 85%ish approval, so I guess he has to be at 100% to pull it off. 

[blademaster7]

I just did that actually. I don't know what went wrong with your game.

Here's the procedure..

-Do Alistair's quest and "harden" him. You need to speak to him back at camp, not only after the quest
-Convince Anora and Alistair to marry before the Landsmeet
-Duel Loghain your self. Recruit him.
-Choose the "you're supposed to marry" option

Alistair will leave your party however but he'll be king.

There wasn't a persuasion check iirc. You may not even need coersion at all to pull it off.

[Rhinna]

See, I never spoke to Anora prior to Landsmeet the playthrough I spared Loghain. I made sure I had Alastair at 100% approval prior to Landsmeet. I really didn't know *what* I was going to do, except not have Anora rule alone. When I spared Loghain, and Ali got ticked and left in a huff, there was a conversation option with Anora about she and Ali getting married, and I thought "Why not?" and it actually worked out quite well, except for the fact that Alistair STILL hated me post coronation, even though I had Loghain sacrifice himself. Spoiled little brat.

[ejoslin]

Alistar does NOT have to be hardened and you do NOT have to arrange for the marriage beforehand. You DO need very high coercion however. I've done this. It really does work. I was on a cunning rogue (50 cunning) with 4 levels of coercion. Alistair was at 64 hostile so definitely NOT hardened (personal quest obviously not done). After sparing Loghain, I suggested they get married, and Anora took the ball and ran with it and Alistair just kind of stood there looking dumb. I actually was shocked he agreed -- it was completely unexpected.

I'm wrong, yet again.  He doesn't have to be hardened and the marriage doesn't have to be arranged if you kill Loghain, but it won't happen if you spare him.

Modifié par ejoslin, 21 février 2010 - 11:28 .

[zaim298]

Actually apart from sarcastic remarks post-coronation, I think Alistair calms down a bit and regret leaving the Grey Warden and not joining you in the final battle. And he did become a popular king and eager to learn about politic and how to govern, I'm shocked when I read that LoL.

[SurelyForth]

ejoslin wrote...

Alistar does NOT have to be hardened and you do NOT have to arrange for the marriage beforehand. You DO need very high coercion however. I've done this. It really does work. I was on a cunning rogue (50 cunning) with 4 levels of coercion. Alistair was at 64 hostile so definitely NOT hardened (personal quest obviously not done). After sparing Loghain, I suggested they get married, and Anora took the ball and ran with it and Alistair just kind of stood there looking dumb. I actually was shocked he agreed -- it was completely unexpected.

I have tried several times to get this to happen, and I always assumed that it was impossible to get unhardened Alistair to marry Anora under those circumstances. He always balks and then she refuses. Does his post-Landsmeet dialog change? I can't imagine unhardened Alistair pulling off the mad sarcasm as well as his hardened counterpart does.

[SFKServant]

yes maybe thats the problem, alistair +40 which means when he is unfriendly then it works...otherwise happen this: Hardened Alistair with "everyone is out for themselves" option, I convinve them both to get married at Arl Eamon Estate. The during the Landsmeet, I said let Loghain atone n go through the Joining Ritual, Alistair is pissed as hell n said something like "if I have to take the throne n become King to see Loghain punished, then so be it". Anora's like freaking out. Then I said "aren't u two gona get married?"he answer "how funny the plans are changing ha? the plan was to bring loghain to justice." anore is shocked and she refuses as well, the point is alistair has to hate you to agree to marry anora, it is clear....

[Lady Orc]

SFKServant wrote...

yes maybe thats the problem, alistair +40 which means when he is unfriendly then it works...otherwise happen this: Hardened Alistair with "everyone is out for themselves" option, I convinve them both to get married at Arl Eamon Estate. The during the Landsmeet, I said let Loghain atone n go through the Joining Ritual, Alistair is pissed as hell n said something like "if I have to take the throne n become King to see Loghain punished, then so be it". Anora's like freaking out. Then I said "aren't u two gona get married?"he answer "how funny the plans are changing ha? the plan was to bring loghain to justice." anore is shocked and she refuses as well, the point is alistair has to hate you to agree to marry anora, it is clear....

No, Alistair doesn't have to hate you in order to go ahead with the marriage. In my latest game I did just that, spared Loghain and had (hardened) Alistair marry Anora. Granted he wasn't happy about the Loghain situation, but it worked, and before he threw his fit we were on quite friendly terms. Perhaps your Coercion skill isn't high enough if you've hardened him and still have trouble?

[SFKServant]

well I think I know whats the problem, to harden alistairs personality is not enough just say during his personal quest "Everyone is out for themselves. You should learn that." but then talk to him again and confirm your opinion I didnt do that a the dialouge option has lost so I need to load game, I save in few slots so the load will be painfull, a lot of passages doing again... ou ****, never mind thanks everybody I think I wont load it though, w8

I will execute loghain, he wanted to kill me after all thx all

[ejoslin]

SurelyForth wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Alistar does NOT have to be hardened and you do NOT have to arrange for the marriage beforehand. You DO need very high coercion however. I've done this. It really does work. I was on a cunning rogue (50 cunning) with 4 levels of coercion. Alistair was at 64 hostile so definitely NOT hardened (personal quest obviously not done). After sparing Loghain, I suggested they get married, and Anora took the ball and ran with it and Alistair just kind of stood there looking dumb. I actually was shocked he agreed -- it was completely unexpected.

I have tried several times to get this to happen, and I always assumed that it was impossible to get unhardened Alistair to marry Anora under those circumstances. He always balks and then she refuses. Does his post-Landsmeet dialog change? I can't imagine unhardened Alistair pulling off the mad sarcasm as well as his hardened counterpart does.

Alistair hated my warden -- I could not get him to agree before the landsmeet to marry Anora, though I tried, which may have something to do with it.  It may have to do with being unable to do his personal quest at all instead of doing it and not hardening him.  Hmmmmm, I'll play around with that save file.  Maybe I'm remembering it incorrectly, but I just remember being so surprised he agreed.  Then again, I've done enough playthroughs I could just be mistaken about this one.  I'll check.

Edit: WOW, ok, no, I was definitely wrong.  But the dialog is very interesting when the warden lets Alistair be executed.  Unhardened and unarranged before means he won't accept the marriage if you spare Loghain.

Ok, he does not have to be hardened nor does the marriage have to be arranged beforehand when you execute Loghain.

*sigh* I'm still traumatized by that last conversation, though, when my warden tells him to be a man for once as he's being dragged off to prison.  There is SO much to this game.

Modifié par ejoslin, 21 février 2010 - 11:27 .