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[MEMANIAsama]

Mike Smith wrote...

MEMANIAsama wrote...

Ok, so here's where I'm confused...

Can you Recruit Loghain AND have Alistair still become king if he's unhardened? I'd really like this outcome, but I always heard "hardening" Alistair makes him entirely unfun, so I never bothered with it before. But, I really like the premise of sacrificing Loghain. I have a feeling I'm not going to be getting that ending though.

I don't believe so. An unhardened Alistair runs away if you spare Loghain.

Looks like I'm going with two saves and figuring out which one I like more. Drunk Alistair or Dead Loghain.

[Jedimaster88]

I tried this once. Spared Loghain and Alistair marrying Anora. I wont do that again. The whole thing left a bad taste in my mouth.

I hated how Alistair basically gets ignored completely and no one gives a sh** about what he wants. I hated how Anora steals the whole show and mocks Alistair about being a bad king just for wanting justice served. I so wanted to change my mind and kill Loghain just to shut Anora but I didnt, because I wanted to hear Loghains dialogue once. Anora giving her speech at the landsmeet didnt sound that convincing for me. I was like "eh whatever, be silent already". It didnt inspire at all.

Loghain had some interesting things but they didnt feel that great. It actually felt a bit depressing to talk to him, and to try getting approval just to hear something more. I dont remember hearing many positive things and he had one good point. After everything he had done to me and to so many others Im now supposed to call this man an ally and maybe even a friend? Yeah right...
It just didnt feel right that he stands there after everything and Alistair doesnt. Alistair helped me and was loyal to me and didnt do anything wrong and I failed him. Loghain had done many nasty things to many people and was pretty much responsible for the situation being so bad.

It definetely left a bad taste. After my curiosity was satisfied, I loaded my previous save and executed Loghain as always.

This is just my opinion.

[Zaxarus]

Same for me. I spared him to see the dialogues (especially with Wynne at Ostagar) and hated him the more afterwards. Above all he learns nothing from the events and it's so unfair that he thinks he has the right to speak bad about Cailan, a man - while being not a great king perhaps - died in defence of his land. And no, i'll never allow Loghain to die as a hero killing the archdemon. The only consequence i like about the spare-Loghain-thing is him being sent to live the rest of his life in Orlais.

[Athanias]

i have harden alistair but when anora is supposed to say "alistair compose yourself she says " you are thowing an alliance for revenge " i have arranged the from the estate what am i doing wrong must i do it before alienage what i have to do please respond

 

[Athanias]

Just harden the guy. Just do it. You're pecking at hens and putting WAY too much emphasis on a decision that barely affects the character at all until end game.

Get your reputation up to 100 with him and your persuasion to 4 points.

After you rescue Anora, talk to her and persuade her to agree to marry Alistair. Then talk to Alistair and persuade him to marry Anora.

At the Landsmeet, have the main character duel Loghain and spare him. Alistair will have his hissy fit and Anora will declare Alistair an unfit king. Ignore their antics and tell them they are getting married and that Loghain gets to live.

They will do it. You will get one chance to talk to Alistair after the Landsmeet - he's mad, but he's still on your side. Take his gear and for gawd's sake put some clothes on him.

The rest I'll leave for you to discover.

its important to have him 100

its about 80 something to me

[Mlady]

I'm curious. Do any of you who are having troubles actually talk to Alistair after you tell him everyone's out for themselves? If you don't do the follow-up he is not hardened.

[Cecylio19]

I did it once and while it's an cool option... It's definetely nowhere near close canon. Alistair gets mad, disappears, Anora takes the glory and all the speeches. Alistair abandons the cause, because... he's angry? WTH dude?! He just disappears for entire battle of Denerim and then reappear at throne room and it sucks. I enjoyed talking to Loghain and all, but Bioware could do this better. Hardened Alistair is just pathetic here, he deserves unHardened Alistair's fate. He takes the throne only, cause he's mad at Warden. Lame.

[Aren]

its important to have him 100

its about 80 something to me

It is important to not necro these threads of 5 years ago.

[Illegitimus]

It is important to not necro these threads of 5 years ago.

 

Is it?  Why?  

[Mlady]

It is important to not necro these threads of 5 years ago.

 

Some people who only just play DAO now have no where else to go and want to have help. Sadly so many of us new to DAO in 2015 are stuck with the dead threads.

[straykat]

I'm curious. Do any of you who are having troubles actually talk to Alistair after you tell him everyone's out for themselves? If you don't do the follow-up he is not hardened.

 

I find that I only end up hardening him after I say that, and after his approval is pretty high. So I have to talk to him anyways, just to get the ratings up.

 

Err.. or do you mean do I have trouble from some RP point of view? Then no.

[Vanalia]

If something goes wrong despite my choices to marry Alistair and Anora, and if Alistair refuses to marry... well... I will have no regret to let him leave and hide in some tavern, that's his choice after all, if whining is his favorite hobby. I don't even know if it's possible if he is hardened, what does he do if he is hardened but doesn't marry Anora? he still becomes drunk and pathetic like a unhardened Alistair?

[Mike3207]

The mods will normally archive a thread after 3-5 years-they must have missed this one. It's more productive to notify a mod that it should be archived than to make issue with people keeping it alive. At least in my opinion, that's the case.

 

I'll do this with my mages. I think they're  a decent pairing on any paths that don't have the male Cousland.

[Jeffonl1]

what does he do if he is hardened but doesn't marry Anora? he still becomes drunk and pathetic like a unhardened Alistair?

If he's hardened, and you let him duel (and kill) Loghain he becomes sole king (and executes Anora). If you marry a hardened Alistair to Anora, Loghain is spared, but Alistair leaves you and the Grey Wardens.
Only the unhardened Alistair becomes a wandering drunk...
I hope I remember this right..

[Illegitimus]

Imprisons Anora, surely.  Without her he has no heir if he falls in battle.  

[Mlady]

I find that I only end up hardening him after I say that, and after his approval is pretty high. So I have to talk to him anyways, just to get the ratings up.

 

Err.. or do you mean do I have trouble from some RP point of view? Then no.

 

Nope not RP lol just wondering if people do that follow-up where he says he's going to change.

[straykat]

Nope not RP lol just wondering if people do that follow-up where he says he's going to change.

 

Ah fair enough. Well I noticed one time he didn't actually harden, so ever since I realized I had to keep talking and getting his approval higher. I think he only truly cares to change if you're his good friend.

[sylvanaerie]

If he's hardened, and you let him duel (and kill) Loghain he becomes sole king (and executes Anora). If you marry a hardened Alistair to Anora, Loghain is spared, but Alistair leaves you and the Grey Wardens.
Only the unhardened Alistair becomes a wandering drunk...
I hope I remember this right..

The only part you got messed up was "Executes Anora".  Solo king Alistair imprisons her and names her his heir as a contingency he doesn't survive to be king.  Afterward, I'm unsure what happens to Anora. 

 

For Vanalia: If Alistair (hardened or not) isn't married to Anora, unless you have her kill him, he goes off to Kirkwall to crawl into a bottle.  I think once hardened, his marrying her depends on how well you can persuade him, which means, the higher your approval with him, the easier it will be to convince him to go through with the wedding.

[Athanias]

The only part you got messed up was "Executes Anora".  Solo king Alistair imprisons her and names her his heir as a contingency he doesn't survive to be king.  Afterward, I'm unsure what happens to Anora. 

 

For Vanalia: If Alistair (hardened or not) isn't married to Anora, unless you have her kill him, he goes off to Kirkwall to crawl into a bottle.  I think once hardened, his marrying her depends on how well you can persuade him, which means, the higher your approval with him, the easier it will be to convince him to go through with the wedding.

the thing is tha i have arranged the wedding from the estate and when i spare loghain they dont marry

[sylvanaerie]

the thing is tha i have arranged the wedding from the estate and when i spare loghain they dont marry

 

Either you haven't completely hardened him or you've encountered some kind of bug.  You must confirm the hardening in camp after meeting Goldanna.  If you didn't have that second conversation (or chose the "That's not what I meant" dialogue, undoing the hardening and leaving him unhardened) then you didn't harden him.  He won't marry Anora if you try to spare Loghain and he's not been hardened, even if you arranged it ahead of time at the estate.

[Vanalia]

Thanks Sylvanaerie, I was wondering if he could become drunk even if he was hardened. Now I know that yes, he can...