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[Dave of Canada]

FireDragon076 wrote...

Read the Calling, Alistairs mother is not some maid at Redcliffe

Could be Anders.

http://img718.images...58/alistair.jpg

[Cuddlezarro]

pezwitch wrote...

There is nothing stated in the book or in the game that the child born at the end of The Calling is Alistair.

For all we know Maric left a string of bastards across Ferelden.

Considering how Maric was worried about "ruining Rowan" and "making her look like a concubine in the eyes of the other nations" I doubt Fionas baby is Alistair at all

considering Rowan was long dead by the time Fionas child was born last I checked and since shes dead how can you "ruin Rowan and make her look like a concubine" its not exactly Taboo for Kings to have sex with other women once their wife has been dead for several years

[Thalorin1919]

dark-lauron wrote...

I don't know when the books are supposed to happen, but note this : Alistair is 32, Morrigan is 30. If the books happen 30 years before Origins... ups! If not... ermm.. nope?
Still, would also like to point out that Miss Sheryl Chee said all character ages could not be correct. They might have changed concept within development of the game.

Geez, thirty years old? You're probably right, but I just always seem them...younger.

I thought Morrigan would be alot younger, and Alistair is around 30. Even though he doesnt look like it, or act like it sometimes.

[SurelyForth]

Cuddlezarro wrote...

pezwitch wrote...

There is nothing stated in the book or in the game that the child born at the end of The Calling is Alistair.

For all we know Maric left a string of bastards across Ferelden.

Considering how Maric was worried about "ruining Rowan" and "making her look like a concubine in the eyes of the other nations" I doubt Fionas baby is Alistair at all

considering Rowan was long dead by the time Fionas child was born last I checked and since shes dead how can you "ruin Rowan and make her look like a concubine" its not exactly Taboo for Kings to have sex with other women once their wife has been dead for several years

This is what Loghain says, not what Maric says. It's entirely possible that Maric lied to Loghain about why he didn't want to acknowledge Alistair and used Rowan's memory as an excuse because Loghain, of all people, would agree with that.

I can't see Alistair being much past his early twenties. His maturity level, the fact that he considers himself as being "raised by the Chantry" as recently as six months before he meets the PC, and the fact that he hasn't taken his vows yet strike me as being more in line with a younger man. Also, during the game, he says the PC has 30 years to live, give or take, and then later says that most Wardens go in their forties. If he and the PC are roughly the same age, and he was in his early thirties, I think he would use a shorter time frame (15 or 20 years).

[Monica21]

Thalorin1919 wrote...

dark-lauron wrote...

I don't know when the books are supposed to happen, but note this : Alistair is 32, Morrigan is 30. If the books happen 30 years before Origins... ups! If not... ermm.. nope?
Still, would also like to point out that Miss Sheryl Chee said all character ages could not be correct. They might have changed concept within development of the game.

Geez, thirty years old? You're probably right, but I just always seem them...younger.

I thought Morrigan would be alot younger, and Alistair is around 30. Even though he doesnt look like it, or act like it sometimes.

:facepalm:

No, he's not right. It is impossible for Alistair to be both Cailan's younger brother and 30 years old. He's in his early 20's.

[Highdragonslayer]

zaim298 wrote...

Maric slept with Flemeth, Morrigan is Alistair's half-sister, so anyone did the Dark Ritual with Morrigan and Alistair will get god-powered evil retard in the sequel

It must sandal, he probibly became the ruler of everything and the master of reality and nobody knows it. Right now he's just screwing with our heads in this reality.

[pezwitch]

SurelyForth wrote...

Cuddlezarro wrote...

pezwitch wrote...

There is nothing stated in the book or in the game that the child born at the end of The Calling is Alistair.

For all we know Maric left a string of bastards across Ferelden.

Considering how Maric was worried about "ruining Rowan" and "making her look like a concubine in the eyes of the other nations" I doubt Fionas baby is Alistair at all

considering Rowan was long dead by the time Fionas child was born last I checked and since shes dead how can you "ruin Rowan and make her look like a concubine" its not exactly Taboo for Kings to have sex with other women once their wife has been dead for several years

This is what Loghain says, not what Maric says. It's entirely possible that Maric lied to Loghain about why he didn't want to acknowledge Alistair and used Rowan's memory as an excuse because Loghain, of all people, would agree with that.

I can't see Alistair being much past his early twenties. His maturity level, the fact that he considers himself as being "raised by the Chantry" as recently as six months before he meets the PC, and the fact that he hasn't taken his vows yet strike me as being more in line with a younger man. Also, during the game, he says the PC has 30 years to live, give or take, and then later says that most Wardens go in their forties. If he and the PC are roughly the same age, and he was in his early thirties, I think he would use a shorter time frame (15 or 20 years).

Loghain had no problem killing Rowan's son so I doubt that he would buy that particular excuse if she was dead.  

Forgive me if I'm wrong but doesn't Alistair say he is the JUNIOR Grey Warden? This can mean that he is the newest Grey Warden but it doesn't follow that he is the youngest.

Being raised in the Chantry, sequestered away from everything, would make him more naive and innocent than his years.

Also, I can see the Revered Mother not forcing vows on Alistair because he was disrespectful, unhappy, and somewhat insubordinate at times and these traits do not lead to good Templars, so just because he hadn't taken vows doesn't mean he is very young.

[Treason1]

zaim298 wrote...

Maric slept with Flemeth, Morrigan is Alistair's half-sister, so anyone did the Dark Ritual with Morrigan and Alistair will get god-powered evil retard in the sequel

Shades of King Arthur and Mordred.

[SurelyForth]

Loghain had no problem killing Rowan's son so I doubt that he would buy that particular excuse if she was dead.

Even after Cailan's death, Loghain is hung up on Maric and seems pretty impassioned when he mentions Rowan. Cailan died because he triggered Loghain's PTSD in the worst possible way and that overrode any loyalty Loghain might have felt towards his parents. Twenty years earlier, and shortly after Rowan's death, he would have been in a much different state of mind.

Modifié par SurelyForth, 22 février 2010 - 03:44 .

[BeautyoftheBeast]

If I remember correctly, I read somewhere that Cailan was younger than Anora.

On the loading screen (or somewhere else but I'm almost sure it was the loading screen) it says Anora is about to be thirty- which is why she can't have kids.

If Cailan is younger than Anora, and Cailon is older than Alistair- it's almost impossible for Alistair to be older than 25.

Edit: No it was in RTO that it states that Anora is about to be thirty. Just for clarification.

Even with that- Loghain and Maric had children around the same time, so with that (since it was about thirty years after that Dragon Age takes place), minus about five years off and there's Alistair's age.

Yay!

Modifié par BeautyoftheBeast, 22 février 2010 - 04:13 .

[Daerog]

Perhaps the promise made to Flemeth had to do with Maric sailing away?

[Leonia]

DaerogTheDhampir wrote...

Perhaps the promise made to Flemeth had to do with Maric sailing away?

They said, "Come sail away, come sail away, come sail away with me lads
Come sail away, come sail away, come sail away with me
Come sail away, come sail away, come sail away with me baby
Come sail away, come sail away, come sail away with me"

[Lughsan35]

CalJones wrote...

Hours, you say? Morrigan = Maric's daughter.

Not unless Flemeth = super duper incubation and gestation baby machine and child growing machine..

[Sabriana]

Being thirty does not preclude a woman from becoming pregnant. I know plenty of women who had their first child beyond the age of 30.

It is never made clear why there are no legit heirs. It could well be that Cailan is shooting blanks.

[melkathi]

Treason1 wrote...

zaim298 wrote...

Maric slept with Flemeth, Morrigan is Alistair's half-sister, so anyone did the Dark Ritual with Morrigan and Alistair will get god-powered evil retard in the sequel

Shades of King Arthur and Mordred.

Just be careful, if you try to do a Merlin, that when you stick the sword in a rock you don't accidentaly stick it in Shale. She'll squish you like a pigeon.

[BeautyoftheBeast]

Sabriana wrote...

Being thirty does not preclude a woman from becoming pregnant. I know plenty of women who had their first child beyond the age of 30.
It is never made clear why there are no legit heirs. It could well be that Cailan is shooting blanks.

I agree with you. However, that has nothing to do with the conversation at hand (I'm pretty sure there's an entire thread devoted to that). I only mentioned that because it was the one place where someone was given an approximate age. The whole point was to acknowledge how old Cailan and Alistair were in the first place. 

[maxernst]

Doesn't Alistair say somewhere that he was in the chantry for ten years? If you listen to the way he describes his upbringing in the chantry (pillow fights, screaming because it was so quiet), it's clear he was no more than 12 when he entered. I'd favor an age of 20-22 for Alistair myself. Even if I'm wrong about the ten years, I think it's kind of odd tha the templars would have someone kicking around as an apprentice who is already past his physical prime.



Morrigan's much harder to pin an age on because we know very little about her past and her upbringing was unconventional.

[Patriciachr34]

maxernst wrote...

Doesn't Alistair say somewhere that he was in the chantry for ten years? If you listen to the way he describes his upbringing in the chantry (pillow fights, screaming because it was so quiet), it's clear he was no more than 12 when he entered. I'd favor an age of 20-22 for Alistair myself. Even if I'm wrong about the ten years, I think it's kind of odd tha the templars would have someone kicking around as an apprentice who is already past his physical prime.

Morrigan's much harder to pin an age on because we know very little about her past and her upbringing was unconventional.

I believe he said that he entered the chantry at 10 years old.  I don't think he ever specifies how long he was there.  I certainly don't see it taking more than 12 years to become a Templar (basic eduation until he is old enough to begin the martial and mental training necessary).

[Patriciachr34]

Sorrry...doble post

Modifié par Patriciachr34, 22 février 2010 - 07:57 .

[Monica21]

maxernst wrote...

Doesn't Alistair say somewhere that he was in the chantry for ten years? If you listen to the way he describes his upbringing in the chantry (pillow fights, screaming because it was so quiet), it's clear he was no more than 12 when he entered. I'd favor an age of 20-22 for Alistair myself. Even if I'm wrong about the ten years, I think it's kind of odd tha the templars would have someone kicking around as an apprentice who is already past his physical prime.

Morrigan's much harder to pin an age on because we know very little about her past and her upbringing was unconventional.

If you mean that it's not clear why the Chantry still has Alistair as an apprentice at his age, I'd say it's because he's clearly not mentally ready to be a Templar, and in fact doesn't want to be one at all. And they can't exactly kick him out because the Arl sent him there.

[maxernst]

Monica21 wrote...

[If you mean that it's not clear why the Chantry still has Alistair as an apprentice at his age, I'd say it's because he's clearly not mentally ready to be a Templar, and in fact doesn't want to be one at all. And they can't exactly kick him out because the Arl sent him there.

If they wanted to be rid of him (and they would be eager to get rid of thirty-something apprentice), why try and prevent Duncan from recruiting him?  When I first heard that, I thought maybe the chantry wanted to have the bastard prince in their back pocket, but the chantry is nowhere to be seen at the Landsmeet, so it appears they don't care that much who rules Ferelden.  Which I thought was odd, frankly, but how else to interpret the fact that no one from the chantry comes to discuss your plans?

He acts like he's twenty, and he'd be much more attractive as a grey warden recruit if he's twenty.  I much prefer the explanation that the toolset age was set at an early stage in the writing process and they changed the character concept later on.

[SurelyForth]

When I first heard that, I thought maybe the chantry wanted to have the bastard prince in their back pocket, but the chantry is nowhere to be seen at the Landsmeet, so it appears they don't care that much who rules Ferelden. Which I thought was odd, frankly, but how else to interpret the fact that no one from the chantry comes to discuss your plans?

The Revered Mother is at the Landsmeet, she speaks up if you mention Loghain hiring a blood mage to poison Eamon, and she also stops the battle that happens if you lose.

[maxernst]

I didn't remember that. I'd still argue that the Chantry seems not to be as influential in Ferelden politics as I would expect, coming at it from a Chantry=church in medieval Europe point of view.

[Fishy]

maxernst wrote...

Doesn't Alistair say somewhere that he was in the chantry for ten years? If you listen to the way he describes his upbringing in the chantry (pillow fights, screaming because it was so quiet), it's clear he was no more than 12 when he entered. I'd favor an age of 20-22 for Alistair myself. Even if I'm wrong about the ten years, I think it's kind of odd tha the templars would have someone kicking around as an apprentice who is already past his physical prime.

Morrigan's much harder to pin an age on because we know very little about her past and her upbringing was unconventional.

He seem to be around 25 years old.
Morrigan seem to be around 27-30
Leliana seem to be around 25-27

(after the events of Ostasgar )

That my guess .. Has for the PC .. you can basicly give him the age you want .. But if i take the CGi Warden ... He 's probably around 25 -30 years old during the origin quest.

[Monica21]

maxernst wrote...
If they wanted to be rid of him (and they would be eager to get rid of thirty-something apprentice), why try and prevent Duncan from recruiting him?  When I first heard that, I thought maybe the chantry wanted to have the bastard prince in their back pocket, but the chantry is nowhere to be seen at the Landsmeet, so it appears they don't care that much who rules Ferelden.  Which I thought was odd, frankly, but how else to interpret the fact that no one from the chantry comes to discuss your plans?

He acts like he's twenty, and he'd be much more attractive as a grey warden recruit if he's twenty.  I much prefer the explanation that the toolset age was set at an early stage in the writing process and they changed the character concept later on.

In one of the conversations with Alistair he says that the Grand Cleric didn't want to give anything to the Grey Wardens. Depending on one's view of the Chantry, perhaps he was still being "broken"? Maybe the Chantry thought that with enough time and discipline they could turn him into a Templar but Duncan never gave them the chance. Duncan also recruited him after a tournament which Alistair didn't win, and the Grand Cleric could see that as a slap in the face for not taking the Chantry's best.

I wouldn't be surprised if they changed the character concept later, but the lore places him firmly in his early 20s.