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[Inhuman one]

For my first game I started with the human noble origin since usually my characters are human and swordfighters of some sort and this is the only option available then.

I must say this origin story is terrible. why? allow me to explain.

First of all, you are wearing armor and weapons at the start. why? it makes no sense. It looks rather shoddy for a noble son as well. I think it would have done a lot for immersion if you would start with either some fine clothes or an armor that looks suited for a nobleman while it still has the same low status.

Second, Duncan has an interest in you while you never did anything to deserve that interest as far as I can tell. Never fought a battle or have proven yourself.

third, the "surprise attack in which relatives, close allies, etc are killed" Sorry but this has been done in every single Bioware game. Try something different for a change. I certainly hope not all origins are like this. I already saw it coming, I was merely wondering who would survive and who would die. That only the player and morgan would survive was quite predictable as well since others didnt seem needed for the story.

fourth, why does your family insult you by calling you, an adult, pup? cant they just call you son/daughter or something like that? This certainly was a good way for me to not feel any attachement to the family.

fifth, no chance is given for you to care about the castle, its surroundings or anyone in it. I kind of liked the brother and his little family, but this is the place you grew up. cant we at least get a glance at the surroundings from the castle walls? to see what the land is like where our character grew up in?

sixth, your character's mother wears some crappy and overly revealing armor for her age and noble status during the attack. If she is used to fighting, wouldnt she have aquired something more impressive over the years? maybe something with a long skirt sort of what Duncan wears but  a female version? Would have been far more suitable.

Thats all I have to say about the origin, furthermore I must say I am very disappointed with the combat. I expected finishing moves and dismemberment but it was not there.

Still the game is enjoyable, and it might pick up later on but I just had to vent this, I simply expect better from Bioware writers. This origin only served as an immersion killer for me.

I am at the point that Morrigan just joined me, so please no spoilers beyond that point or about other origins. If there are origins that do not have this cliche surprise attack in which almost everyone you are supposed to care about dies its alright to mention there is such an origin, but dont say which one. I rather find that out myself.

[X2-Elijah]

I'l just say that in my experiences, the human noble origin is the weakest of them all story-wise.



When you will play through the other origins, you'll see that they are far more interesting and a lot less cliché-ed.

[peloidra]

Hi, I've played the game for 10 minutes, plz listen to me rage

[Oslegend]

Well yes I'd say the start kind of contradicts itself at parts but trust me, It gets sooooo good. Like you could probably produce 10 movies from this game and have them be top box office. If any of the writers at Bioware are reading this, this is by far the best story/playing out the story I've ever experienced in a game. Just wait until a little later when it gets good.

[foxwood1084]

From everything I have seen and read the human noble is the weakist of the origen stories, hell even Bioware has admited that.

[Inhuman one]

Well thats good to hear, I think I will just abandon this savegame and start a new one. I just expected better from Bioware on this origin, I just see a lot of possibilities with it that are not realised, and leaves me with a character I dont feel any attachement to despite his appearance which I was rather fond of when I made him in the character creator.

[JabberJaww]

The human mage orgin is better than the noble warrior line....



On a side note, although Duncan did take notice of you at first.. he really didnt see your potential until fightening your way through to get to your father.

[LokiHades]

The Dwarf Noble Origin enthralled me so much that I ended up continuing the game instead of following my plans of doing each origins first, then moving on. I really think it was the best one I've played so far. I played trough the human Origin, and comparing it with the other does indeed make it feel like it was the weakest one. Only Origin I haven't done is the Dwarven commoner which is coming up now.

[MrGOH]

The human noble origin is not indicative of the other origin's quality. Though having played trhough several, I must say they are not all created equal; the alienage elf origin is about half as long as the dwarven noble origin, for example, although both are interesting and well written. Duncan definitely has reason to be present in both.

[Lukertin]

I've done 3 origins so far, human noble, city elf and the mage. I would rank them in order from awesome to not awesome (relatively): city elf > mage > human noble

Suffice to say, you picked the one that is the most cliched origin story.  Bioware even makes fun of it (when your companion says something like "Sounds like one of those terrible adventure stories where the main character starts off killing rats")  LOL

Modifié par Lukertin, 07 novembre 2009 - 03:57 .

[SaBeRVuLcAn]

I am also a big dwarf guy myself, and while I have only so far done Dwarf commoner, it was incredible enjoyable.

[David Gaider]

foxwood1084 wrote...
From everything I have seen and read the human noble is the weakist of the origen stories, hell even Bioware has admited that.

Err... no we didn't. You'll find a lot of people that enjoyed the human noble origin very much, thank you (there's even a thread on this very page, in fact: http://social.biowar...47/index/118121). In my experience everyone has different favorites amongst the origins, for different reasons. Sorry the OP didn't get one that struck his fancy on his first try.

Modifié par David Gaider, 07 novembre 2009 - 05:20 .

[cmorganbg]

Well for what it is worth, the human noble origin made me actually care strongly about the individual characters and focused my interest on the story in a way that I have not expericenced since I first began chasing Irenicus across the Faerunian landscape. Powerful (and tight) cutscenes, backstory that made sense, a minimum of autoscripted cutscene kills, and immersive ways of exploring how to function in the game. I think my next few years of gaming will be a continual duel between BG2 and Dragon Age.

[Cl_Flushentityhero]

I don't think the beginning of the game is designed to impress so much as to lay groundwork for when the game opens up several hours in.

[Staalkbh]

I am one of the people who Enjoyed the Human Noble Origin, its by far one of the better ones, if you talk to everyone, read everything etc, you will actually find out that you have fought here and there, while I do agree you could have started with some Noble Clothes, like in some of the other origins where you start with different clothes.

One thing about the Human Origin is, like the poster a couple of posts above me wrote, it makes you care more for your character, there's some really sick stuff in there, and you sort of get more into it, atleast I did

[Hreth]

I agree that "pup" is a really weird choice of words. I cringed everytime I heard it.

[Bedlam66]

Inhuman one wrote...
furthermore I must say I am very disappointed with the combat. I
expected finishing moves and dismemberment but it was not there.

Yes there is. I'm Lopping Peoples heads off left and right Dismebering People with my Shield. Alot of those "Finishing Moves" are unlocked by Doing Certain Attacks while the baddies are low on Health.

[Wissenschaft]

David Gaider wrote...

foxwood1084 wrote...
From everything I have seen and read the human noble is the weakist of the origen stories, hell even Bioware has admited that.

Err... no we didn't. You'll find a lot of people that enjoyed the human noble origin very much, thank you (there's even a thread on this very page, in fact: http://social.biowar...47/index/118121). In my experience everyone has different favorites amongst the origins, for different reasons. Sorry the OP didn't get one that struck his fancy on his first try.

Now that I've played it, I really like the human noble origin. Reminds me of Dune, and that is always a good thing. Also, your heartless, David, for that forshadowing on that poor boy, Orin. Your heartless. 

Modifié par Wissenschaft, 07 novembre 2009 - 11:47 .

[Wissenschaft]

"Sounds like one of those terrible adventure stories where the main character starts off killing rats"





I thought that was a joke dating back to BG1 where one of your first quest is to kill some rats in a storeroom.

[Tankenminnet]

 I really found it pretty creepy that everyone called my whitebearded, old dude "Pup". Some weird family that.

[Lethe Vas'Dur]

Well if you talk to people you find out that you pretty much kick butt and take name sin the tourneys. The other thing is every single one of the warriors treats you being trained by your father to fight as equal to a seasoned veteran.



I do agree you should have been in court garb and started with heavy armor for the warriors.



the pup reference actually made sense to me since you are supposed to the youngest son.

[Inhuman one]

I played the city elf origin as well and that one is quite good, Bioware stayed clear from their own cliches here. Could have used a little more emotion though, like maybe a hug to those closest to you before you leave their lives to become a grey warden.



Furthermore its an exellent origin. Duncan's interest makes a lot more sense and theres plenty of emotion here without everyone close to you having to die.



I think my city elf will be my main character for now, even though he does not look very special I have grown more attached him.



Maybe its just arrogance on my part to always look for how a story could have been better, probably the curse of an amateur writer. I am just a bit surprised that the great writers and level builders made quite a few mistakes here that ruin the immersion, things that could very easily be changed.



Personly I am hoping that the armor of the main character and the mother will be changed through a patch to be something more appropriate, and that the pup reference will be replaced with something more appropriate as well. Such small details could do great things for immersion.



Human warriors and rogues only have this origin as an option where dwarves and elves of the same classes have a choice, so this one origin does seem to deserve to be fixed up a bit so that it cant generally be refered to anymore as the worst of the origins. Its a weak origin that can be fixed, I have good hopes for that. I just hope Bioware has that as well.

[ITSSEXYTIME]

The human noble origin was a bit cliche but it was still entertaining.



Also: There are finishing moves and dismemberment, sadly not as much as I'd like but still.

[Joe Delinski]

some might even think the occasional cliche is a salute to a highly entertaining "rat in the basement" mentallity.