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[Saurel]

Its a bit harder to say unless they did some stuff in BG1 that hinted at BG2. Since we are talking about a 3 year gap.



If the foreshadowing is referencing twists and turns in game such as Jade Empire and KOTOR.

[Movodor]

Do it yourself. I'm not here to validate your suspicions. Nor am I really attempting to convince you.

Opinions are simply opinions, after all.

[Thresher Maw]

Schroing wrote...

Or maybe you could just give us some examples on your own. I'm not really all that convinced just by your word.

I don't understand why you're even arguing. The writers aren't going to drop a bunch of subtle hints that she's Aleena if she's not Aleena. It would be a completely pointless waste of time.

[Schroing]

Thresher Maw wrote...

Schroing wrote...

Or maybe you could just give us some examples on your own. I'm not really all that convinced just by your word.

I don't understand why you're even arguing. The writers aren't going to drop a bunch of subtle hints that she's Aleena if she's not Aleena. It would be a completely pointless waste of time.

Or...maybe...just maybe...they weren't intended to be subtle hints that she's Aleena. Because she's not Aleena.

[Saurel]

Isn't it just "better luck next time" ?



the rest seems pretty .....non exclusive.

[Schroing]

Movodor wrote...

Do it yourself. I'm not here to validate your suspicions. Nor am I really attempting to convince you.
Opinions are simply opinions, after all.

I generally make it a habit not to make statements that I purport to be facts without some kind of evidence that they are facts.

[Ocelot83]

Nizzemancer wrote...

'There is just about as much proof of this theory as there is about the theory that the Illium bartender is Liara's "father", it's speculation, nothing more, unless they flat out say they are who we think they are we can't really prove anything.

I really hope the bartender isn't Liaras father. The Star Wars prequels were extremely annoying because they revealed some past connection with almost every character, made the galaxy seem more like a little inbred village.
I hope Bioware doesn't make the same "everyone is related"-mistake.

[Saurel]

Ocelot83 wrote...

Nizzemancer wrote...

'There is just about as much proof of this theory as there is about the theory that the Illium bartender is Liara's "father", it's speculation, nothing more, unless they flat out say they are who we think they are we can't really prove anything.

I really hope the bartender isn't Liaras father. The Star Wars prequels were extremely annoying because they revealed some past connection with almost every character, made the galaxy seem more like a little inbred village.
I hope Bioware doesn't make the same "everyone is related"-mistake.

Yes I was cringing when people thought Samara was gonna be Liara's father.

[newcomplex]

Schroing wrote...

"Better luck next time" is hardly an exclusive statement.

But this is a game, not real life, and nothing is a coincidence.   

Also, what evidence do we have that the Bartender is Liara's mom?   I can't think of any similaritiers besides the fact she's an Asari.  

Modifié par newcomplex, 22 février 2010 - 12:43 .

[Thresher Maw]

Schroing wrote...

Or...maybe...just maybe...they weren't intended to be subtle hints that she's Aleena. Because she's not Aleena.

Right, it's much more likely that all ~5 statements linking her to Aleena are coincidences.

[The_mango55]

Beechwell wrote...

As to Patriach being a harder fight than Wrex: Nowhere does it say that Wrex is the best Krogan fighter ever. Patriach may also have slain a Thresher Maw in his youth. Also, the fight took place on Patriarch's own turf. It stands to reason that he had an advantage there.

The reason why it wouldn't make sense is that Wrex had the advantage over Aleena, and forced her to flee the station. While she beat Patriarch. If Patriarch was the toughest fight of her life she wouldn't have lost to Wrex.

However, I think she's just lying about it being the toughest fight of her life. Maybe it's the toughest fight she's ever won, but  she was trying to impress/intimidate shepard by telling him she's won every fight, so she probably has selective memory.

[Saurel]

newcomplex wrote...

Schroing wrote...

"Better luck next time" is hardly an exclusive statement.

But this is a game, not real life, and nothing is a coincidence.   

Sometimes it is. Its been 2 + years since Mass Effect 1 and we are talking about a very minor character. And writers who have to churn out hundreds of lines of dialog.

Not saying it isn't possibly, but I don't thihnk its conclusive or close to it.

Modifié par Saurel, 22 février 2010 - 12:43 .

[Thresher Maw]

The_mango55 wrote...

The reason why it wouldn't make sense is that Wrex had the advantage over Aleena, and forced her to flee the station.

"Sometimes you'd rather disappear than be forced to kill someone."

She seems confident that she could have killed Wrex, had she wanted to.

[Ulicus]

Or: "It was the toughest fight of my life (as Aria)"

[FataliTensei]

It's possible

[Movodor]

Again, it's my opinion. I'm not willing to get into a lolinternets argument over it; quite busy playing this very game at the moment, in fact. But to actually stay on topic, it does seem suspciously fitting for her to be Aleena, I can't really say much about the Aethyta=Liara's father thing. Not enough info there.

[Kerilus]

Saurel wrote...

newcomplex wrote...

Schroing wrote...

"Better luck next time" is hardly an exclusive statement.

But this is a game, not real life, and nothing is a coincidence.   

Sometimes it is. Its been 2 + years since Mass Effect 1 and we are talking about a very minor character. And writers who have to churn out hundreds of lines of dialog.

Not saying it isn't possibly, but I don't thihnk its conclusive or close to it.

She is no minor character.When they even keep the goddamn refund guy, wouldn't Aria and Aleena seem awfully similar to be a mere coincidence?

Modifié par Kerilus, 22 février 2010 - 12:48 .

[Saurel]

Thresher Maw wrote...

The_mango55 wrote...

The reason why it wouldn't make sense is that Wrex had the advantage over Aleena, and forced her to flee the station.

"Sometimes you'd rather disappear than be forced to kill someone."

She seems confident that she could have killed Wrex, had she wanted to.

Couldn't we also argue that she is the Shadow Broker and she can't get in touch with Liara because of that?

Aleena has no reason to kill Wrex , nor does Wrex have a reason to kill her.

[Schroing]

Thresher Maw wrote...

Schroing wrote...

Or...maybe...just maybe...they weren't intended to be subtle hints that she's Aleena. Because she's not Aleena.

Right, it's much more likely that all ~5 statements linking her to Aleena are coincidences.

Yeah, actually, it is. We're talking about an entire galaxy full of people in which there are at least thousands of asari commandos who've gone merc between eclipse, who knows what other organizations there might be, and the possibility of freelancing, and you're narrowing one down because she's had past relations that didn't go so well with at least two krogan...and she used the words "better luck next time."

So, purely from a statistical standpoint, yes, it's far more likely that Aria and Aleena are not one in the same.

[Saurel]

Kerilus wrote...

She is no minor character.When they even keep the goddamn refund guy, wouldn't Aria and Aleena seem awfully similar to be a mere coincident?

ugh..next you're going to argue Barla Von was a major character in ME1.

Modifié par Saurel, 22 février 2010 - 12:49 .

[DreadvasNormandy]

It'd be great to see teams outside of Shepard's direct influence like Wrex and Aria. I'd be game to see a non-Shepard squad.

EDIT here be ye SPOILERS - Slightly going off-topic but remember when Omega Station was considered the opposite of Citadel Station? Imagine Aria and Wrex combining forces to make a rival Council (much like Asari/Salarians beginning) but Asari/Krogan helming with Batarians standing in for Turians and Vorcha getting a certain embassy. Probably unlikely to be law-abiding or governed but a ME3 story with Aria and Wrex teamed up sounds like a win-win situation. 

Modifié par DreadvasNormandy, 22 février 2010 - 12:54 .

[Dark_Caduceus]

I like the speculation and all, but I just can't see her as a party member in ME3. She doesn't seem like someone to charge into a reckless mission when she's still playing Queen in Omega. Like she said "I'm curious, but Omega doesn't really care about you."

[The_mango55]

Thresher Maw wrote...

The_mango55 wrote...

The reason why it wouldn't make sense is that Wrex had the advantage over Aleena, and forced her to flee the station.

"Sometimes you'd rather disappear than be forced to kill someone."

She seems confident that she could have killed Wrex, had she wanted to.

She possibly could have blown the station as she was escaping and decided not to, but whether she could kill Wrex... I doubt it.

Saurel wrote...

Aleena has no reason to kill Wrex , nor does Wrex have a reason to kill her.

Indeed, at this point they would probably greet each other as old friends. The Turian who hired Wrex to kill her is long dead of natural causes.

[BlackFox26]

dam i didn't think about that.... lol really interesting could be

makes sense.