didymos1120 wrote...
Formally? No. Formerly? Maybe.
I knew I had the wrong one! dammit!
Is Aria formally known as Aleena?
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Luke Pearce
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#101
Posté 22 février 2010 - 07:45
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I knew I had the wrong one! dammit!
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#102
Posté 22 février 2010 - 08:54
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Luke Pearce wrote...
didymos1120 wrote...
Formally? No. Formerly? Maybe.
I knew I had the wrong one! dammit!
Although, technically, it might fly: if Aleena was her real name, given at birth, then for a certain sense of "formal" she really would be "formally known as Aleena". I'd go with that.
#103
Posté 22 février 2010 - 09:27
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In short? most likely yes.
True, at this point no one really knows. It probably won't be confirmed one way or the other until ME3. Hopefully we'll get a bit more in a DLC at some point but that's unlikely.
That said there is an awful lot of circumstantial and coincidental evidence that strongly suggests this is the case. Which for a game like this is practically a smoking gun.
Realize that this isn't like the rest of the universe, this is a story driven game being developed by a very dedicated group of people. Everything that Aria says someone at Bioware has to write it down. You have added VO that has to be accounted for. This stuff has to be nailed down pretty solidly, therefore there are never any coincidences in what's being said, never to this degree.
It is the subtle differences in what Aria says that nail it, in fact. You have to work at it and really probe her to even get to the point where she'll talk about her past before Omega, and even then she's surprisingly tight-lipped.
To which you have to think to yourself What the Hell? Why?
Every other NPC you meet up with will spew out their entire personal history at a moments notice if you but ask them to. There's a reason for that, the Devs have to get all that character building info to the player in order to really build these minor characters, which is hard to do if you're not going to be talking to them so much. But Aria is different. She clearly has a past and is sure not to share it with you, but for no apparent reason.
If Aria was just another NPC you talk to her story would begin with when she arrived on Omega with nothing and there would simply be nothing more to her story before that. This is just not the case, and what's more telling is that she never tells you. There's just no point to doing something like this on the Dev side unless there was some other good reason for it.
And that's when you hear her say "Better Luck Next Time". Really who says that? Why would anyone in the Bioware writing team ever decide to put that in and make her say it? The whole conversation doesn't make sense. Unless Aria was in fact Aleena, in which case everything about this conversation makes perfect sense.
In the end what you have is a perfect example of Occam's razor. The simplest answer, the one that makes most sense, and thus the most likely correct one, is that Aria is in fact Aleena.
True, at this point no one really knows. It probably won't be confirmed one way or the other until ME3. Hopefully we'll get a bit more in a DLC at some point but that's unlikely.
That said there is an awful lot of circumstantial and coincidental evidence that strongly suggests this is the case. Which for a game like this is practically a smoking gun.
Realize that this isn't like the rest of the universe, this is a story driven game being developed by a very dedicated group of people. Everything that Aria says someone at Bioware has to write it down. You have added VO that has to be accounted for. This stuff has to be nailed down pretty solidly, therefore there are never any coincidences in what's being said, never to this degree.
It is the subtle differences in what Aria says that nail it, in fact. You have to work at it and really probe her to even get to the point where she'll talk about her past before Omega, and even then she's surprisingly tight-lipped.
To which you have to think to yourself What the Hell? Why?
Every other NPC you meet up with will spew out their entire personal history at a moments notice if you but ask them to. There's a reason for that, the Devs have to get all that character building info to the player in order to really build these minor characters, which is hard to do if you're not going to be talking to them so much. But Aria is different. She clearly has a past and is sure not to share it with you, but for no apparent reason.
If Aria was just another NPC you talk to her story would begin with when she arrived on Omega with nothing and there would simply be nothing more to her story before that. This is just not the case, and what's more telling is that she never tells you. There's just no point to doing something like this on the Dev side unless there was some other good reason for it.
And that's when you hear her say "Better Luck Next Time". Really who says that? Why would anyone in the Bioware writing team ever decide to put that in and make her say it? The whole conversation doesn't make sense. Unless Aria was in fact Aleena, in which case everything about this conversation makes perfect sense.
In the end what you have is a perfect example of Occam's razor. The simplest answer, the one that makes most sense, and thus the most likely correct one, is that Aria is in fact Aleena.
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Posté 22 février 2010 - 02:17
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It was a volus.The_mango55 wrote...
Indeed, at this point they would probably greet each other as old friends. The Turian who hired Wrex to kill her is long dead of natural causes.
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Posté 22 février 2010 - 07:35
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The Angry One wrote...
You humans are all racist.
Technically, it's specieist.
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Posté 22 février 2010 - 09:11
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When Shepard asks Aria about her history, some evidence points to her being Aleena, an asari commando about whom Urdnot Wrex spoke in Mass Effect.
Aria states that Patriarch is "not the first krogan I've ever pissed off" and informs Shepard that she has held many other names in the past, and was once a mercenary/commando.
In his story about Aleena, Wrex mentioned that he presumed her dead after a long battle, due to the location of their conflict being destroyed in a large explosion, until he received a message saying "Better Luck Next Time". Aria says that phrase--or a variation on it--on more than one occasion when speaking to Shepard.
When Shepard presses Aria by stating that "Old enemies means old friends", she looks slightly sad, replying "Sometimes you'd rather disappear than be forced to kill someone."
Aria states that Patriarch is "not the first krogan I've ever pissed off" and informs Shepard that she has held many other names in the past, and was once a mercenary/commando.
In his story about Aleena, Wrex mentioned that he presumed her dead after a long battle, due to the location of their conflict being destroyed in a large explosion, until he received a message saying "Better Luck Next Time". Aria says that phrase--or a variation on it--on more than one occasion when speaking to Shepard.
When Shepard presses Aria by stating that "Old enemies means old friends", she looks slightly sad, replying "Sometimes you'd rather disappear than be forced to kill someone."
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Posté 23 février 2010 - 04:02
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Kenrae wrote...
The Angry One wrote...
You humans are all racist.
Technically, it's specieist.
Technically, it's speciesist. Just ask the OED (if you've got a subscription, but hey: it's THE English dictionary, period). BTW, here's what that word means:
Discrimination against or exploitation of certain animal species by human beings, based on an assumption of mankind's superiority.
And so, racism takes the lead, as it's covers the type of discrimination at issue here better:
The belief that all members of each race possess characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races. Hence: prejudice and antagonism towards people of other races, esp. those felt to be a threat to one's cultural or racial integrity or economic well-being; the expression of such prejudice in words or actions. Also occas. in extended use, with reference to people of other nationalities.
Especially since "race" is actually a much less specific term than commonly believed:
I. A group of people, animals, or plants, connected by common descent or origin.
1. a. A group of people belonging to the same family and descended from a common ancestor; a house, family, kindred.
b. A tribe, nation, or people, regarded as of common stock.
c. A group of several tribes or peoples, regarded as forming a distinct ethnic set.
and:
3. Any of the major divisions into which living creatures may be separated. (Chiefly not in technical use.)
a. A class, kind, or species of beings other than humans or animals.
and:
II. In extended use: a group or class of people, animals, or things, having some common feature or features.
6. a. A set orclass of people who share a characteristic attitude or other feature.
amongst other applicable senses.
So, since these alien races all certainly count as people, and it's much funnier than "You humans are all speciesist!", it's "racist" FTW! Now where's my medal for Exceptional Pedantry in Pursuit of an Insignificant Argument on an Internet Forum?
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#108
Posté 23 février 2010 - 04:21
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dude. Aria is totally Aleena. bioware did this one specifically as a treat to be discovered amugnst hardcore fans who disect every bit of dialogue to find hidden secrets. it worked, and is much appreciated. and of course there is still a bit of lingering doubt since it hasn't been officiated yet but COME ON!!!
all arrows point to "yes".
and don't worry OP, i stand by your use of "formally" rather than "formerly" even if unintentional i believe it still holds true.
all arrows point to "yes".
and don't worry OP, i stand by your use of "formally" rather than "formerly" even if unintentional i believe it still holds true.
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Posté 23 février 2010 - 04:31
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HAGA NAGA wrote...
dude. Aria is totally Aleena. bioware did this one specifically as a treat to be discovered amugnst hardcore fans who disect every bit of dialogue to find hidden secrets. it worked, and is much appreciated. and of course there is still a bit of lingering doubt since it hasn't been officiated yet but COME ON!!!
One thing I will say is if she's Aleena her and Wrex better have a reunion in ME3. Could be cool. Wrex needs a girlfriend anyway.
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Posté 23 février 2010 - 04:35
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Terraneaux wrote...
HAGA NAGA wrote...
dude. Aria is totally Aleena. bioware did this one specifically as a treat to be discovered amugnst hardcore fans who disect every bit of dialogue to find hidden secrets. it worked, and is much appreciated. and of course there is still a bit of lingering doubt since it hasn't been officiated yet but COME ON!!!
One thing I will say is if she's Aleena her and Wrex better have a reunion in ME3. Could be cool. Wrex needs a girlfriend anyway.
yeah. that or a bloodbath situation. it'll be one or the other. i could see either and frankly either would be awesome. maybe you could sway it one way or another, even cooler.
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Posté 23 février 2010 - 04:41
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HAGA NAGA wrote...
Terraneaux wrote...
HAGA NAGA wrote...
dude. Aria is totally Aleena. bioware did this one specifically as a treat to be discovered amugnst hardcore fans who disect every bit of dialogue to find hidden secrets. it worked, and is much appreciated. and of course there is still a bit of lingering doubt since it hasn't been officiated yet but COME ON!!!
One thing I will say is if she's Aleena her and Wrex better have a reunion in ME3. Could be cool. Wrex needs a girlfriend anyway.
yeah. that or a bloodbath situation. it'll be one or the other. i could see either and frankly either would be awesome. maybe you could sway it one way or another, even cooler.
I think Aleena/Aria is probably still worried about Wrex still feeling honor-bound to kill her. The volus is dead, of course, and Wrex has bigger fish to fry (and we know how Krogan love their fish), but I'm not sure Aleena/Aria knows that.
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Posté 23 février 2010 - 07:45
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Terraneaux wrote...
I think Aleena/Aria is probably still worried about Wrex still feeling honor-bound to kill her. The volus is dead, of course, and Wrex has bigger fish to fry (and we know how Krogan love their fish), but I'm not sure Aleena/Aria knows that.
Which would be a problem entirely of her own creation, since Wrex would never have known she'd survived had she not frickin' sent an email saying, in effect, "HA HA! You SUCK at killing me!" I.e., if Wrex wreaking vengeance upon her was a concern, that was a highly stupid move. Whatever or whoever else Aria is, "highly stupid" isn't the first thing that comes to mind. Besides, the only real clue to the problem she's avoiding is the line about how it's easy to outlive a Salarian, but not their record-keeping. And a Salarian isn't a Volus, so QED.
