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[rt604]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

Urazz wrote...

You need at least two of the heavy combat hitters to be on hold the line from my guess. That's Garrus, Zaeed, and Grunt. On my first playthrough I had Garrus escort the crew but had Grunt and Zaeed on holding the line.

Well that doesn't seem to be true.  I just finished a playthrough and had both Garrus and Grunt with me on the final battle and once again I didn't lose anyone.

Johnny, are you biotics and tech fully maxed out as well as shields?  Did you have everything fully upgraded, weapons included?   Just want to try the same thing, I don't have Zaeed though so everytime I took Grunt, Tali would die.

[Kurt M.]

dragonstriker wrote...

She died closing the door at the rendezvous point, immediately after the first stage. Put her head in the way of a harbinger biotic blast.... Miranda and Legion were with me, Samara led the other team - they were all fine.
I did this section three times, 2 on veteran, 1 on casual to see if finishing it quicker made a difference. It didn't.

You really had guts putting such a loner as a squad leader...<_<

Modifié par Gladiador2, 27 février 2010 - 09:14 .

[Wompoo]

Seneva wrote...

I have no reason whatsoever not to believe what Dusty Everman wrote.

It does make sense aswell. The hold the line part is where the combat hardened chracters shine in. Every char can kill a collector but not ever char works well under extreme pressure. I can imagine a non-combat hardened character stressing out and making a mistake that will end his/her life. However characters like Grunt, Zaeed, Jacob and Garrus are veterans at combat. They don't stress out as easely as "specialists" hence they are the last to die.

This is a "war" situation and those that relish in combat are the ones you want to bunker down. A Jack or a Mordin or a Tali aren't frontline soldiers. Samara neither. 1 on 1 they can easely kill but facing overwhelming odds, no that's not where their specialty lies.

Sam was destroying the merc band single handed on Illium. Tali was front line all the way through ME1. Mordin is special ops. People like Grunt and Zaeed get you killed, not save your backside, their like barbarians on a blood rush.

[Kurt M.]

Wompoo wrote...

Seneva wrote...

I have no reason whatsoever not to believe what Dusty Everman wrote.

It does make sense aswell. The hold the line part is where the combat hardened chracters shine in. Every char can kill a collector but not ever char works well under extreme pressure. I can imagine a non-combat hardened character stressing out and making a mistake that will end his/her life. However characters like Grunt, Zaeed, Jacob and Garrus are veterans at combat. They don't stress out as easely as "specialists" hence they are the last to die.

This is a "war" situation and those that relish in combat are the ones you want to bunker down. A Jack or a Mordin or a Tali aren't frontline soldiers. Samara neither. 1 on 1 they can easely kill but facing overwhelming odds, no that's not where their specialty lies.

Sam was destroying the merc band single handed on Illium. Tali was front line all the way through ME1. Mordin is special ops. People like Grunt and Zaeed get you killed, not save your backside, their like barbarians on a blood rush.

Salarian special ops rely on stealth and are not used to frontline combat. Captain Kirahee himself says so in Virmire back in ME1, so discard Mordin.

Tali was never in a frontline back in ME1, so I don't know where did you get that. And even if in ME2 she has been in a tough geth combat, she had to rely entirely on the quarian marines and hide herself to survive. And for Samara...it's different to face a single merc squad than heavy fine from more than a dozen of enemies shooting you at once, which at least doubles the number.

And if Zaeed or Garrus would be so rushy as you say, they'd have died long ago. People like them knows when to kill and when to hide to continue killing. Although I agree that Grunt may be hot-headed enogh to get himself killed, any "perfect soldier" knows how to obey orders. So discard him, too.

Modifié par Gladiador2, 27 février 2010 - 11:16 .

[magsafe454]

I have completed Mass 2 six times and the only time I got all my people to survive was the first time I did the mission all the others including three at insanity I would consistenly lose whoever I used as a tech expert when they were closing the stuck door and they would get a shot thru the head at the last second before the door closed, I lost Tali, Legion,Thane every time. Anyone have an idea why? All of their skills were maxed out and 100% all loyal. And if I use anyone other than Miranda as a squad leader they too would die.

[Kurt M.]

magsafe454 wrote...

I have completed Mass 2 six times and the only time I got all my people to survive was the first time I did the mission all the others including three at insanity I would consistenly lose whoever I used as a tech expert when they were closing the stuck door and they would get a shot thru the head at the last second before the door closed, I lost Tali, Legion,Thane every time. Anyone have an idea why? All of their skills were maxed out and 100% all loyal. And if I use anyone other than Miranda as a squad leader they too would die.

Squad leaders like Garrus and Miranda are as useless as any other squad member if they aren't loyal to you.

[Seneva]

magsafe454 wrote...

I have completed Mass 2 six times and the only time I got all my people to survive was the first time I did the mission all the others including three at insanity I would consistenly lose whoever I used as a tech expert when they were closing the stuck door and they would get a shot thru the head at the last second before the door closed, I lost Tali, Legion,Thane every time. Anyone have an idea why? All of their skills were maxed out and 100% all loyal. And if I use anyone other than Miranda as a squad leader they too would die.

Did you upgraded Normandy?
Who was your tech specialist?
Who were your firesquad leaders?
Who was your biotic specialist?

[CyanidPontifex]

I had only five loyal squadmates: Garrus, Miranda, Mordin, Tali, and Samara; Garrus led both secondary teams, Tali and Samara were tech/biotic, and Miranda and Mordin were my squad. I sent Tali back with the crew. I bought all the ship upgrades, and I sold Legion to Cerberus. Everyone survived.