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[Ramikadyc]

Let me start this off by saying Garrus is my favorite character in the whole series, and one of my favorite characters in any story. After first meeting him in ME1, I was blown away by the camaraderie I felt with him. I wanted to get to know him, help him solve his problems, and push him to shoot for higher goals. I play a male Shepard, and my personal-canon storyline from ME1 has me pursuing Dr. Saleon with him and ultimately letting Garrus execute him, all the while reassuring him that killing the doctor is/was the right thing to do, because I think that it's the right thing to do. Overall, I lean more toward a Renegade than a Paragon, but I don't make a single decision just for the sake of being one or the other, I just make the decision that's right for me.

In Mass Effect 2, his mission to get revenge upon Sidonis isn't even close to the clear-cut black-and-white I felt the decision against Dr. Saleon was (for me). My first playthrough I did everything Garrus wanted to do, all the time watching his back and following his lead, never making the decisions for him. In the end I did exactly what he wanted me to do, and he got his revenge, putting a bullet through Sidonis' skull. During the aftermath, however, I felt very ambivalent--Garrus had become who I was, because I had conditioned him to do so, but he lost so much of himself in the process (speaking in terms of in-game personality, not as a character in a video game). He avenged his betrayed team and shut that chapter of his life, but I felt like it took a huge toll on him.

On my second playthrough I paid more attention to Garrus during this quest, and instead of letting him take the reins on full, I tried to help guide him--but he had indeed become what  I made him, and tossed remarks about how he's surprised I'd even mention mercy.in my direction. I shook it off and continued to try and talk him out of it, believing that it really wasn't going to help him in the way he thought it would, and ultimately I warned Sidonis and kept him alive. The aftermath of that event blew my mind--I was shocked at how different the outcome was compared to what I had imagined it being, how Sidonis was just a shell of a turian coasting through his days filled with guilt and nightmares over his decision (the news report later on detailing how he turned himself in was the ultimate vindication). Letting him live with that seemed like an equal punishment; after worrying whether or not Garrus would lose respect for me after the call I had made, I was relieved to see that Garrus felt the same way I did, and we were perhaps closer for it, but he always seemed to regret not finishing the job, like there was this sense of greater closure he missed out on because of me.

So I'm at a dilemma. At this point I'm not sure which outcome I want to carry over to ME3, because I'm afraid that, like my actions in ME1 had on Garrus in ME2, the decision I make could severely affect his personality in ME3, and something terrible could possibly happen to him, in one way or another.

I'm curious as to how others like myself felt about this issue. What do you think a true friend does for Garrus, and why? What sort of problems could each decision lead to for Garrus--and consequently, ourselves--in ME3? I'm not here to have my decision made for me, because in time I know I'll settle on the best choice for myself, but in the mean time I'd love to hear everyone else's thoughts (and possibly struggles) they have regarding this issue.

[InvaderErl]

I like to let him shoot the bastard. If let's say Jacob had sold out the team to the Reapers and got ALL OF THEM killed, would you hesitate to pull the trigger?

Hell the Human Noble origin in Dragon Age is based on the idea of revenge. Its easy to stand on the moral high ground when its happening to Garrus but if its the PC that suffers I wonder how many would be willing to let a traitor walk simply because its the nice thing to do.

I say let Garrus kill the coward and call it a day.

Modifié par InvaderErl, 22 février 2010 - 01:04 .

[The Angry One]

InvaderErl wrote...

I like to let him shoot the bastard. If let's say Jacob had sold out the team to the Reapers and got ALL OF THEM killed, would you hesitate to pull the trigger?

Well I wouldn't hesitate regardless if it was Jacob... what?

Hell the Human Noble origin in Dragon Age is based on the idea of revenge.

Unsatisfying as it was.
No not unsatisfying as in "revenge is ultimately empty" but unsatisfying as in "C'mon Tim Curry you can do better last words than that."

[InvaderErl]

The Angry One wrote...

Unsatisfying as it was.
No not unsatisfying as in "revenge is ultimately empty" but unsatisfying as in "C'mon Tim Curry you can do better last words than that."

"You'll all float down here!"

scyphozoa wrote...

I played out all sequences and my
favorite is warning sidonis, paragon interupt save, make him admit it
was just to save his own worthless life and so i can let garrus hear it,
then i let garrus take the shot.

"i'm with garrus on this one"

That's how I do it. Its the most reasonable, to see if there really was a decent reason for doing it. And there wasn't.

Modifié par InvaderErl, 22 février 2010 - 01:07 .

[Ramikadyc]

Revenge is one my favorite concepts for stories--hell, Kill Bill is my favorite movie--and I exact revenge with no sweat against those who wrong me, but I'm not questioning whether or not he SHOULD die (because I 100% think he should), I'm questioning if the effect it will have on Garrus will be worse than the effect of letting him live.

[Kordras]

Well I mean, it really depends on you. This is your story after all. For me, I feel like Garrus is one of the few truly 'good' characters, so I talked him out of it. He doesn't need that to regret, and I feel like he would indeed regret it, even if it felt right to him at the time. Made me think of one of his quotes from the first game; "Shooting people isn't always the answer."



At first I wanted him to take the shot, but the mission leading up to the encounter with Sidonis changed my mind. He was just too obsessed with his revenge. Understandable, but still, it consumed him, and the last thing I felt Garrus needed was an avoidable death on his hands.

[Lareit]

Sidonis wasn't selling them out for greed. He was selling them out due to cowardice.



I'm not sure killing him is completely justified.

[Yantze]

He gets dealth with. You dont get to betray your boys like that and then feel sorry about it later.

[enormousmoonboots]

I let him kill him the first time, but felt really unsatisfied and let Sidonis live on my second run. IMO, Garrus needs to learn about shades of gray; there's even a bit of foreshadowing to this on his recruitment mission. The reason Jaroth is so angry at Archangel is because he killed his brother; Garrus is happy that another merc's dead and just thinks the salarian's mad about losing his lieutenant.

[InvaderErl]

To be fair, Jaroth's brother likely had it coming.

[InvaderErl]

Yantze wrote...

He gets dealth with. You dont get to betray your boys like that and then feel sorry about it later.

Yeah TEN people get killed and Sidonis only decides to confess about it when he's in the scope of a sniper.

Modifié par InvaderErl, 22 février 2010 - 01:16 .

[Cutlass Jack]

The Angry One wrote...

Hell the Human Noble origin in Dragon Age is based on the idea of revenge.

Unsatisfying as it was.
No not unsatisfying as in "revenge is ultimately empty" but unsatisfying as in "C'mon Tim Curry you can do better last words than that."

It was very satisfying to me. I vowed to feed Howe to my dog. And that's exactly what I did. I let dog kill him while I watched. His words made it all the sweeter.

Unfortunately I wasn't allowed to feed Loghain to my dog. They wouldn't let me pick him as my champion. That was very unsatisfying.

[Internet Kraken]

I never liked Garrus in Mass Effect 2. He seemed to be consumed with revenge. And I hate the idea of revenge. So obviously I talked him out of it. I think it's better this way, but that's mostly because of my own personal beliefs on revenge. Garrus wasn't himself in Mass Effect 2. He was to much of a renegade. Hopefully he wont forget everything I said to him this time, like he apparently did between Mass Effect 1 and 2.



Back on-topic: I really don't know what is the best thing to do in this situation. For me, it's to stop Garrus from killing Sidonis. But is that really the best thing for Garrus? Maybe, maybe not. But I would at least talk to Sidonis before having Garrus kill him. Let Garrus know why Sidonis betrayed him in the first place.

[Collider]

Let him kill Sidonis. I wasn't the one to ultimately pull the trigger.

[Ramikadyc]

Haha, I wish I could deal in absolutes like some of you. That would make mental struggles so much easier for me.



But still, I Just want to reiterate that whether or not Sidonis should die is not the point of this thread. Thanks so far to those of you who understand that.

[Mr Glow]

It's not fair to Garrus to let him take his revenge.

[Sharn01]

Maybe in ME3 you will be given the opprotunity for revenge, and if you saved Sidonis, Garrus will be trying to talk you out of it, and if you had him killed Garrus will be right behind you patting you on the back.

[InvaderErl]

Well, Garrus didn't kill Harkin and that's enough for me.

[Delta426]

The chioce to kill or spare Sidonis must ultimately lie with Garrus. It is your duty as a friend to present him with that choice.

[CardonT]

I think it will slightly change his dialogue again. So when you let him take the shot, he will have a "problem solved with bullet to the head" attitude, while he will think more about the consequences and the reasons why a person would do something like that if you save Sidonis and let Garrus have an insight.

[Kaiser Shepard]

Delta426 wrote...

The chioce to kill or spare Sidonis must ultimately lie with Garrus. It is your duty as a friend to present him with that choice.

Truer words have never been spoken.

scyphozoa wrote...

I played out all sequences and my favorite is warning sidonis, paragon interupt save, make him admit it was just to save his own worthless life and so i can let garrus hear it, then i let garrus take the shot.

"i'm with garrus on this one"

I'm so doing that my next playthough.

[HomicidialFrog]

InvaderErl wrote...

Its easy to stand on the moral high ground when its happening to Garrus but if its the PC that suffers I wonder how many would be willing to let a traitor walk simply because its the nice thing to do.

I would, I'd find answers first but if it was a justifable reason, I'd let him live. If somebody killed someone close to you, you go after them for Justice not Revenge. And everyone can be forgiven if they really mean it. I got the feeling that Sidonis really was sorry about it so I let him live for that reason.

Just look at Liara. Perfect example, she's definatly not going after the Shadow Broker because she wants Justice but she wants Revenge theres a huge difference, Justice is a selfless reason to kill someone who wronged you, you want to prevent it from happening again to someone else, Revenge is a selfish reason to kill someone who wronged you, you just want them dead because you hate them for it.

Or Zaeed, he was willing to kill civilians just to kill one man that ****ed him off he definatly deserved that punch to the face that I gave him for it.