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[Walderwhite]

  Right, firstly I apologise if anyone has brought this up but sine the forums have no decent search function I really have no way of knowing. I don't think it has been mentioned however, for reasons that should soon become apparant. Secondly I apologise for the upcoming wall-o-text.

  At the end of the game when Harbinger is chirpily monologing away as the station explodes around the collectors ears he states that, and I quote "We will find another way." The important word here is 'find'. Much like if I were to lock myself out of my house and vengefully shake my fist at the sky crying "I will find another way!" it suggests that they have not yet found another way and that they are in fact still looking. To go a step further it might be suggested that they do not in fact at this point have a clue really how thay are going to get back into the galaxy and are in the process of searching for one.

  The reason I don't think this may have been mentioned before is because people keep using the 'dark energy star theory' as the Reaper's next method of incursion into the galaxy. I have numerous problems with this - firstly there is no proof for this at all. This is like, ultra-suposition. Secondly if the Reapers were counting on the T-800 to help them out the dark energy thing seems pointless, though I admit revelations in ME3 could explain that away.
 
  Basically my arguement hinges on a certain amount of linguistic c*ck-knockery and the fine but distinct differences between the sentences "We have other ways" and "We will find another way". One states that they have other ideas, the other that they, at the present, do not. I believe this goes some way to invalidating the 'dark energy theory' as a Reaper plot, because otherwise I think they would have said "We have another way."

 Gods, I just read what I wrote and it bores even me. Well I got this far I'll be damned if I don't make you all suffer too.

 Another reason for discounting the 'dark energy theory' - I'm just gonna call this the DET from now on for the sake of my own sanity - as a Reaper masterstroke is that it's too damn obvious. It is the conclusion I immediatly jumped to and thusly the one I hope is wrong. Plot twists please Bioware .

 So finally I must ask the question - if not the Reapers then what? Maybe another enemy, an enemy so terrifying that it forced the Reapers to turn themselves into abominations to survive and flee to the fringes of the galaxy and trawl the galaxy every so often for (resources? to create offspring? shrug?)... some reason before scuttling away back to safety like the space cuttlefish they are.

 That last bit is complete supposition with no evidence to support it - its just an idea I pulled out of my a*s as I wrote this - but it would be interesting to see what the whole DET thing is, if not a Reaper plan.

 Thoughts?

[Collider]

We've no evidence of the reapers ever being completely repelled. For at least two cycles, the reapers have completely decimated or enslaved sapient life. So, I would imagine that thinking of other options was not exactly an imperative thing to do, as precedence seems to say that plan a will always work. The reapers could very well find out about dark energy in ME3 and use it. Dark Energy was hinted in ME2, so it would be rather strange if it had no part in ME3.

[Walderwhite]

Sorry for the double post, I hit 'submit' prematurely.

Modifié par Walderwhite, 22 février 2010 - 02:00 .

[Walderwhite]

Oh I think it'll have a part certainly - just not as the plan that the Reapers had up their sleeves all the way through ME2. Their only statement on the matter of future plans effectlivly states that they don't currently have any but are a looking, yes sir indeedy.



So I do think the DET has a place in ME3, just not as a Reaper made back-door to the galaxy and probably not of Reaper design and intent - though that last is delicious, delicious speculation. Yum.

[Maloar]

Well, dark energy is used to generate mass effect fields, and the relays are giant mass effect generators so perhaps someone is experimenting on building their own relay. Would certainly be a useful thing to have if the reapers ever do manage to shut down the relay network.

[MasterSolo]

It will be very funny, if the dark energy theories will have nothing to do with the reapers or ME3 and the "we will find a way" is part of some huge plot twist that is related to bigger issues involving the motives why the reapers destroy everything, every 50,000 years.

[vinterviken]

When you go to recruit Tali there is mention about Dark energy affecting the sun. And it is doing it faster then predicted.

maybe it is the collectors way to get back into the galaxy faster. Dark Energy is also mentioned in the beginning I think. So I think it will have some importance in ME3. If the collectors/reapers have targetted that sun for some reason, to increase the speed of it's decay, then one reasonable assumption would be they did if for a specific reason.

Would it be to just wipe that system out? Doesn't make much sense since from what we gather in ME2 the system doesn't really offer anything of value.

Would it be to create a conduit that they can use to get into the galaxy faster? Makes more sense to me. Maybe they need the energy that the dying star produces to create a anchor that they can use to get to the ME universe faster.

[Walderwhite]

Like I said I don't doubt that the DET will play a role in ME3 - I just don't think it has anything to do with the Reapers. Harbinger states that they will find another way - not that they already have one in the works. Ergo it seems to me that the Reapers have not as yet found another way - they haven't even planned one. Which makes it unlikely that the DET is their doing. Aside from hat as I've already stated, it seems far too obvious. If we can see it coming a mile away then I don't think Bioware is going to play those cards - they are far more original than that.

MasterSolo wrote...

It will be very funny, if the dark energy theories will have nothing to do with the reapers or ME3 and the "we will find a way" is part of some huge plot twist that is related to bigger issues involving the motives why the reapers destroy everything, every 50,000 years.

This is actually closer to what I was driving at and what I personally think will be revealed in ME3. This kind of plotline would wrap up dozens of ideas - who are the Reapers, why do they kill the galaxy every so often etc. I just don't think this Dark Energy malarky has anything to do with them - and to be honest there is absolutly no evidence in ME2 that it is.