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[Atmosfear3]

Shuriken has awful recoil. Firing it rapidly produces recoil that is nearly as bad as the Revenant on full auto.

[rumination888]

The Tempest shoots 5 per round, the Shuriken shoots 3 per round. Each round is the exact same timeframe.
The Tempest has better DPS, period.

[Invalidcode]

Shuriken have better burst, even more if you put upgrade, ammo power into account. Tempest have a huge clip, so you get the most damage without reloading.



Pure 100% hit rate DPS chart for SMG is kind of moot (I am not calling it useless), both guns at full-auto won't reach 100% hit rate unless you are at shotgun range.



For my Sheps, different class uses different SMG.

[_Dannok1234]

rumination888 wrote...

The Tempest shoots 5 per round, the Shuriken shoots 3 per round. Each round is the exact same timeframe.
The Tempest has better DPS, period.

This is incorrect.
Over a 2 second time frame the Shuriken has better dps then the Tempest. Making it superior against none elites up close and personal, as very nearly all shots hit at that point. Tempest DPS is 216,  the Shuriken is 239. 
During the same timeframe without reloading the Shuriken will have done more damage. It's pretty darn easy to see ingame.

Edit: Thats obviously when you fire the Shuriken full auto avoiding the delay between bursts.

Modifié par Dannok1234, 22 février 2010 - 10:10 .

[IndomitusRex]

Personally I find the Tempest far more accurate than the Shuriken. Not sure if I'm just a mutant, but I'm comfortable using the Tempest at rather far ranges. Shuriken gets dropped like a hot turd in my games.

[Darnalak]

I agree with Rex. as someone who uses the SMG TONS on insanity runs, the recoil on the shuriken is abusive. I can pretty much empty a clip from a tempest into a collector at medium range without difficulty... shuriken... not so much.

[Arde5643]

Depends on the classes really.

For adepts, shuriken is the go to shield/barrier defense strip weapon. 2-3 bursts with it while enemies are stunned by singularity, then a follow-up warp detonation.



For all other classes, it's tempest all the way since the tempest has better raw killing power.

But for stripping defenses, shuriken's the much better one.

[JaegerBane]

implodinggoat wrote...

IntrepidProdigy wrote...

The Tempest is far too inaccurate at medium-long range. I'll stick with the Shuriken

Yeah; but at that range why are you using an SMG at all?  If you're an infiltrator you should be using your Sniper Rifle and if you're an adept, vanguard, sentinel or engineer you'd be better off using your pistol.

Precisely, goat. The Tempest is best at what SMGs do best. The Shuriken is better than the Tempest at stuff the SMGs do worst. Tempest + Vindicator is a pretty balanced combo.

[RiverRat]

To be honest... the Tempest is more like a true SMG. Whilst the Shuriken is more like an auto-pistol. As much as I like the Shuriken, I'd rather have the Tempest for the full auto when those damn varren and such manage to get too close.

[CitizenSNlPS]

I play on 360 and find the Tempest to be more effective. I prefer to use a sniper or the handcannon for long range, or even my tech/biotic skills. The Tempest does a great job in close range and I think it works great with Incinerate Blast on the Husks on Insanity.

[TekFanX]

Tempest



The Tempest is nearly as precise as the Shuriken if you just pulse the fire rapidly.

At least on my PC: When I torture the mouse-button, I hit pretty good.



Same for Assault-Rifle.

[ODST Steve]

Tempest is best.

Modifié par ODST Steve, 23 février 2010 - 03:07 .

[Athenau]

I don't understand how you can ignore magazine size in this comparison. If you tap the trigger on the shuriken to get full auto (the only way it's at all competitive, dps wise), you'll run through the mag in 2 seconds.



The tempest will last 60% longer at 3.2 seconds of sustained firing. The only time the Shuriken is (slightly) better is when you're firing at an enemy that'll go down in 24 rounds or less.

[rumination888]

Dannok1234 wrote...

This is incorrect.
Over a 2 second time frame the Shuriken has better dps then the Tempest. Making it superior against none elites up close and personal, as very nearly all shots hit at that point. Tempest DPS is 216,  the Shuriken is 239. 
During the same timeframe without reloading the Shuriken will have done more damage. It's pretty darn easy to see ingame.

Edit: Thats obviously when you fire the Shuriken full auto avoiding the delay between bursts.

You're never going to fire the Shuriken on full-auto because human reaction times will never be instantaneous.
You need to click between 11-12x per second in order to match the Shuriken's actual RoF.
Good luck doing that under normal circumstances:
theclickgame.com/

[Arhka]

It doesn't pause if you pull the trigger in the middle of the burst. It chains the bursts together making it full auto.

[reepneep]

The tempest is easier to use, true, and I'd imagine that most people would be more effective with it. It's more stable, has less recoil, is naturally full auto and doesn't feel the misses as much as the shuriken. I still prefer the shruiken for the reasons already listed: better range, accuracy, and higher burst dps. It still carries plenty of spare ammo, so the tempest's bottomless ammo count isn't really that much of an advantage.



Mag size isn't terribly important to me either, as the shruiken has a large enough magazine to kill most targets if you can shoot straight. Any target it can't kill without reloading, the tempest can't either.



The range argument is still important because the pistol gets it's damage bonus vs armor, while the shruiken works best against shields/barriers. Obviously for extreme ranges, you'd be using the fex, but the predator doesn't actually have that much of a reach advantage on the shruiken.



Arhka is correct. You can make it go cyclic simply by clickspamming. Might be more difficult with a gamepad but with a mouse, its a non-issue.

[rumination888]

Arhka wrote...

It doesn't pause if you pull the trigger in the middle of the burst. It chains the bursts together making it full auto.

www.youtube.com/watch

[reepneep]

rumination888 wrote...

Arhka wrote...

It doesn't pause if you pull the trigger in the middle of the burst. It chains the bursts together making it full auto.

www.youtube.com/watch

Serously?  Just boot up the game and try it yourself.   Surely you can get two clicks off in the time the weapon fires three  rounds?  This should be quite obvious.

[Awesome Helmet]

i feel scared using the shiruken if im getting charged by a krogan or a varren. but if i have the tempest out and im getting charged, i pretty much know im going to down that mother sucker.



the tempest is a better weapon. thats why you get it later.

[rumination888]

reepneep wrote...

Serously?  Just boot up the game and try it yourself.   Surely you can get two clicks off in the time the weapon fires three  rounds?  This should be quite obvious.

Why don't you make a video of yourself pulsing the shuriken and emptying the clip multiple times, then watch the video.

[Riot Inducer]

reepneep wrote...

The tempest is easier to use, true, and I'd imagine that most people would be more effective with it. It's more stable, has less recoil, is naturally full auto and doesn't feel the misses as much as the shuriken. I still prefer the shruiken for the reasons already listed: better range, accuracy, and higher burst dps. It still carries plenty of spare ammo, so the tempest's bottomless ammo count isn't really that much of an advantage.

I'm sorry but do I have different SMGs than everyone else? The Shuriken I've got has about the same accuracy as a shotgun and it doesn't improve with zooming in either, if the target isn't close enough to fill up the gap in the aiming reticule it's not worth shooting at it with the Shuriken. The Tempest I have has zoom accuracy that rivals the heavy pistols, firing in short bursts it can hit enemies at ranges that would be impossible for the Shuriken.

[reepneep]

rumination888 wrote...

reepneep wrote...

Serously?  Just boot up the game and try it yourself.   Surely you can get two clicks off in the time the weapon fires three  rounds?  This should be quite obvious.

Why don't you make a video of yourself pulsing the shuriken and emptying the clip multiple times, then watch the video.

I don't have to.  After playing the game through as an engineer and an adept I know god damn well how the gun works.  If this matters to you so much, make one to prove me wrong.

*sorry that sounded short, but I'm amazed I'm even having to defend this point.  It should be self evident*

Modifié par reepneep, 23 février 2010 - 05:58 .

[rumination888]

reepneep wrote...

I don't have to.  After playing the game through as an engineer and an adept I know god damn well how the gun works.  If this matters to you so much, make one to prove me wrong.

*sorry that sounded short, but I'm amazed I'm even having to defend this point.  It should be self evident*

I'm going to assume you didn't click the link in my earlier post and this is all just a big misunderstanding on your part.

[_Dannok1234]

Video appears private. However it's very easy to get it to fire full auto during regular play. All you have to do is click while the burst is going on. At least I do not have a problem doing it.

[reepneep]

rumination888 wrote...

reepneep wrote...

I don't have to.  After playing the game through as an engineer and an adept I know god damn well how the gun works.  If this matters to you so much, make one to prove me wrong.

*sorry that sounded short, but I'm amazed I'm even having to defend this point.  It should be self evident*

I'm going to assume you didn't click the link in my earlier post and this is all just a big misunderstanding on your part.

Oh, I clicked it.  There was nothing there, just the login screen.  I took it as a condecending way of saying 'show me'.  What does this supposed (and apparently private) video show?