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[grieferbastard]

Expansion 1 a month away, another down the road, DA 2 in a year and a half or so, plenty of DLC on the way.... lots of good, yummy stuff. Yet
I'm already starting to wonder if there will be canon. I've pretty much
got to assume that some of the critical, world-changing events are so
large that it's likely to be a guiding force in future game content.
Assuming that you can fit all the possible outcomes into sequels just
doesn't seem realistic to me.

So, I've got to ask, will there be canon?

Who was king? Did Alistair rule alone, with the PC or with Anora? Dead Loghain or not? Was there an Exalted March called on the dwarves? Is Morrigan having an Old God baby or not and if so, whos is it? Is it the heir to the Ferelden throne?

The difference in how the game world turns out between an Ultimate Sacrifice, Morrigan with no baby, no Golems, Harrowmont king, Ashes of Andraste being sold on the street corner and Alistair being king is a far cry from Alistair executed, Anora queen, Morrigan having the PCs Old God baby, no Golems, Exalted March because of a Chantry-free Circle in Orzammar and Bhalen on the throne, nobody knowing about the Ashes of Andraste and your character being in charge of the Grey Wardens.

Even if it's not a direct sequel (which I find unlikely) just playing in the game world and what the storyline would be is a huge difference. Stretch that out to a Dragon Age 3. All the choices from 1 and 2 spreading out to make two completely different worlds.

So then, I've got to ask. Can we get a clear word if there will be canon and what will it be? If DA2 is only a year and change away then I've got to strongly suspect canon is already decided on more or less.

Especially considering some of the frustration over how US is being address in Awakenings I'd rather see this fact brought to light and settled sooner rather than later. It takes time for people to go through the stages of grief

[Daerog]

Canon: The king was killed, Loghain went a little crazy, there were 2 surviving Grey Wardens who helped set the nation of Fereldan straight and were able to kill the Archdemon. That's the canon. Fereldan is a backwater nation, and the Blight was contained within that nation. Other nations may never care about the details of what happened and nothing we did (except killing the Archdemon) will change the world in any significant way.

Likely, DA2 will not be set in Fereldan and be seperate from the events of DA:O, it would be easier that way, and more interesting.

[errant_knight]

DaerogTheDhampir wrote...

Canon: The king was killed, Loghain went a little crazy, there were 2 surviving Grey Wardens who helped set the nation of Fereldan straight and were able to kill the Archdemon. That's the canon. Fereldan is a backwater nation, and the Blight was contained within that nation. Other nations may never care about the details of what happened and nothing we did (except killing the Archdemon) will change the world in any significant way.
Likely, DA2 will not be set in Fereldan and be seperate from the events of DA:O, it would be easier that way, and more interesting.

While I have to agree about the 'easier' part, I very much disagree about 'more interesting.'

[Kenrae]

I hope not, it would be lame.

[metatheurgist]

Inevitably. Bioware can spend heaps of zots making sure that 80% of the game meets the expectations of all possible outcomes and deliver 20% new content or they can just say this is what happened and give us more new content. I prefer the latter.

[grieferbastard]

metatheurgist wrote...

Inevitably. Bioware can spend heaps of zots making sure that 80% of the game meets the expectations of all possible outcomes and deliver 20% new content or they can just say this is what happened and give us more new content. I prefer the latter.

I'd agree. I hope there is some sort of canon if only to better tie prior games and events into newer ones. Since doing everything just doesn't seem realistic I'd like to see some sort of canon. Just doing the game somewhere else and having a vague reference.... well, I'd prefer a closer connection to my prior game.

[Maria Caliban]

At this point, there is no canon. The writers themselves haven't established one and their overlords haven't told them there is to be one. Could this change in the future? Yes.

However, Daerog has a point. It seems that the xpacs are only making passing references to the events of Origins while Dragon Age two won't be the Warden in Ferelden fighting a Blight. Mass Effect 2 showed a great deal of 'continuity' can be boiled down to e-mails, one line acknowledgments, and an extra NPC showing up, and it is probably MORE tightly tied to the events of its predecessor than DA2 will be.

[Daerog]

errant_knight wrote...


While I have to agree about the 'easier' part, I very much disagree about 'more interesting.'

Well, I just meant it would be more interesting because it would be a completely different story set somewhere new. Instead of just continueing the story of the Fereldan Warden. Although it would be very interesting if BW could pull of a sequel still involving the DAO warden while keeping in mind everyone's decisions, though I would rather have them not bother and be free to make a brand new story.

[Xandurpein]

I also personally believe that the only reasonable future is to start over again somewhere else and for several reasons.



Forcing a canon story will simply make a lot of people upset. It makes no sense telling people that they can become the prince of Fereldan and then say, oops no you don't. They could conceivably get away with it with Human Noble+Anora, but not with Human noble+Alistair who many people have romanced.



All RPG with levelling systems, will tend to reach a point when the whole talent/spell/ability system will begin to strain if you can get too many levels. It gets harder and harder to balance a combat system when you add more and more spells and so on. Usually better to start over from level 1 again eventually.



Since the story in DA:O allows you to end up with considerable political power in Fereldan, it will be progressively harder create a beliveable story where the main character goes off to fight bad guys with pointy sticks in a small party, rather than by political scheming (different game) or with massive armies (also different game), and still be open for those who stayed away from the whole power trip.



I would be VERY disappointed if they forced a canon ending on DA:O as it would basically mean that all my choices where just a lie.



If they do base DA2 around the current characters, then I hope they try to find a way to integrate everybody's individual story into a main story, rather than force a canon. They could work it so that you get a different "orgin" story in DA2, depending on what ending you choose in DA1.

[MaxQuartiroli]

@Xandurpein I agree totally with you.. If they have to put a canon in order to make a direct sequel I would prefere a full new story...

[Behindyounow]

As long as the dark ritual isn't canon I'm fine with whatever they choose.

[MaxQuartiroli]

If Dark Ritual would be canon, my game would be already shown to be a liar...

[bobtheworm]

You guys know, the sad thing is that Bioware has a list of what everyone did in the game. Its all on this website. If they really want to decide on canon they can just take a poll of the things done in the game and make canon off of that.

[nos_astra]

I'd prefer they leave Origins be and move on to another part of Thedas or several decades forward so that only very few things have to be canon.

[mousestalker]

Only if the Qunari invade. They're the only ones with gunpowder.....

Modifié par mousestalker, 23 février 2010 - 05:08 .

[hurricaneez1]

Having just finished ME2 I dont see why there has to be a "canon". Mass Effect did just fine allowing you to import your character with his particular choices intact. If we are not able to do the same with DA2 I probably wont be playing the game.

Modifié par hurricaneez1, 23 février 2010 - 07:32 .

[Malanek]

If you are importing an existing character I think it's important to stay away from a cannon story. It would break immersion too easily. In some ways I am disapointed about that because Morrigan seems too interesting of a character to not use again in the same relationship. I guess it's just left to the imagination.

If it was a sequel, set well into the future, I think they should create a cannon based around whatever story the writers want to tell. It would be interesting to see how events you were familiar with turned out years later even if they only tell of events that occured in a single reallity.

The events don't have to take center stage, but just referring to the long dead King Alistair or the Demon Child and her army of golems would be interesting. On the other hand I think there are some strong story threads that could form a big part of the story.

[nos_astra]

Or a sequel could be set in the past.

[pezwitch]

klarabella wrote...

Or a sequel could be set in the past.

I think the First Blight, the first set of Wardens, would be a wonderful setting for a game. OK, we wouldn't be able to bring back our current characters, but it would still be awsome and I would definately play it.

[pezwitch]

Double Post - Sorry.

Modifié par pezwitch, 24 février 2010 - 04:03 .

[grieferbastard]

The fundamental problem is that you either A) jump settings, making the original games choices and consequences pretty minor or  set some general guidelines for canon to narrow the range of options that have to be accounted for.

Either way you're going to ****** off someone. Entertainingly enough one of the biggest complaints people seem to have about DA is that it was so GOOD. If it had been shorter, crappier or given people less choices it would have been less offensive I guess?