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[Lyna357]

Arleneverde wrote...

That's actually a good idea. Then he wouldn't be able to breed.

omg that was priceless!

[KnightofPhoenix]

Actually, he can still breed, as long as the mate isn't tainted as well. So you will have to make Filsa and sigrun WArdens.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Shady314 wrote...

MandatoryDenial1 wrote...

contown wrote...

I hope he will be. I never understood why you could never ask any of the party members in DAO if they wanted to become a grey warden.

As far as I know it was because you:

 A.  Didn't have any arch demon's blood

B.  Didn't know how to prepare the ritual.

That's what we're told.... and then Loghain suddenly can join up? That's the main reason I never recruit him. It makes no goddamn sense with everything Riordan has told you.

Riordan knows how to do the ritual. And Loghain confiscated Grey Warden possessions, including vials of darkspawn / archdemon blood. So it makes perfect sense.

[Cuthlan]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Shady314 wrote...

MandatoryDenial1 wrote...

contown wrote...

I hope he will be. I never understood why you could never ask any of the party members in DAO if they wanted to become a grey warden.

As far as I know it was because you:

 A.  Didn't have any arch demon's blood

B.  Didn't know how to prepare the ritual.

That's what we're told.... and then Loghain suddenly can join up? That's the main reason I never recruit him. It makes no goddamn sense with everything Riordan has told you.

Riordan knows how to do the ritual. And Loghain confiscated Grey Warden possessions, including vials of darkspawn / archdemon blood. So it makes perfect sense.

And the reasoning for not Joining the rest of your party at that point is, to me, because it is too late to risk the lives of the people you need to help win the overall battle. You only need one Grey Warden to take the final blow, you need as many powerful people as possible to win the battle to get to the Archdemon. I have my doubts that many of them would even be willing to Join, too.

[supersims796]

Cuthlan wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Shady314 wrote...

MandatoryDenial1 wrote...

contown wrote...

I hope he will be. I never understood why you could never ask any of the party members in DAO if they wanted to become a grey warden.

As far as I know it was because you:

 A.  Didn't have any arch demon's blood

B.  Didn't know how to prepare the ritual.

That's what we're told.... and then Loghain suddenly can join up? That's the main reason I never recruit him. It makes no goddamn sense with everything Riordan has told you.

Riordan knows how to do the ritual. And Loghain confiscated Grey Warden possessions, including vials of darkspawn / archdemon blood. So it makes perfect sense.

And the reasoning for not Joining the rest of your party at that point is, to me, because it is too late to risk the lives of the people you need to help win the overall battle. You only need one Grey Warden to take the final blow, you need as many powerful people as possible to win the battle to get to the Archdemon. I have my doubts that many of them would even be willing to Join, too.

Let's not forget the fact that by the time we learn of the details of the joining ritual, the final battle is already at hand. No point in it now.

Is Oghren gonna be a Grey? Dunno, I hoe so. Not that it matters, it all worked out for me, at least.

What got me confused is that it was mentioned that even touching Darkspawn blood leads to a very painful death. Yet every character and their grandmother tends to get drenched in it whenever they so much as give a Genlock a papercut.

This has been mentioned before on some other site, and I agree with what that site said - it's something that you'll have to ignore. Sure, it's annoying, but it doesn't take too much from the story.

[Feraele]

bri193 wrote...

MandatoryDenial1 wrote...

contown wrote...
I hope he will be. I never understood why you could never ask any of the party members in DAO if they wanted to become a grey warden.

As far as I know it was because you:
 A.  Didn't have any arch demon's blood
B.  Didn't know how to prepare the ritual.

I thought any darkspawn blood will do ...
That was the point of the Wilds mission at Ostagar - to collect 3 vials of darkspawn blood for the ritual... No arch demon blood was needed there...

Convo with Alistair tells you the joining ritual preparation takes special magic and lyrum. I suspect Awakening will involve quests to to find such, along with the missing darkspawn blood from the Grey Wardens HQ.
This seems more likely since Oghren is around, and there is a strong link between dwarves and the lyrium trade.

Nope it requires Archdemon's blood...and that would be gotten from the ending where you killed the Archdemon, "someone" hopefully took blood from the Archdemon..lol.

You combine that with darkspawn blood vials..and the mages make some sort of concoction with all that plus some lyrium... What that process is  where the mages do something to it, is not mentioned.    But you would have to have all that knowledge still remaining somewhere, be it in some sort of tome, or mages that are still living that have actually made the drink for the Joining.

Its more complicated than simply killing a few darkspawn and getting samples of their blood.

[_Aine_]

Feraele wrote...

Nope it requires Archdemon's blood...and that would be gotten from the ending where you killed the Archdemon, "someone" hopefully took blood from the Archdemon..lol.

You combine that with darkspawn blood vials..and the mages make some sort of concoction with all that plus some lyrium... What that process is  where the mages do something to it, is not mentioned.    But you would have to have all that knowledge still remaining somewhere, be it in some sort of tome, or mages that are still living that have actually made the drink for the Joining.

Its more complicated than simply killing a few darkspawn and getting samples of their blood.

Actually, I am fairly sure you don't need archdemon blood, just tainted blood from darkspawn is fine as there is a magical component to the ritual preparations as well.  The arch-demon blood makes it more *potent* and perhaps better, but not a necessity.  

This has come up before and i am pretty sure a dev/writer answered that the arch-demon blood was not necessary. 

edit: found the link  

Modifié par shantisands, 22 février 2010 - 04:54 .

[Eudaemonium]

I believe David Gaider has stated somewhere on these forums that what the Joining requires is the ingestion of a certain quantity of the Taint (which one must then survive) - because of the potency of archdemon blood, it means that the Taint consumed is much greater. You could feasibly do the Joining with solely darkspawn blood, but you would still need to consume a large amount of the Taint and survive.

[Feraele]

shantisands wrote...

Feraele wrote...

Nope it requires Archdemon's blood...and that would be gotten from the ending where you killed the Archdemon, "someone" hopefully took blood from the Archdemon..lol.

You combine that with darkspawn blood vials..and the mages make some sort of concoction with all that plus some lyrium... What that process is  where the mages do something to it, is not mentioned.    But you would have to have all that knowledge still remaining somewhere, be it in some sort of tome, or mages that are still living that have actually made the drink for the Joining.

Its more complicated than simply killing a few darkspawn and getting samples of their blood.

Actually, I am fairly sure you don't need archdemon blood, just tainted blood from darkspawn is fine as there is a magical component to the ritual preparations as well.  The arch-demon blood makes it more *potent* and perhaps better, but not a necessity.  

This has come up before and i am pretty sure a dev/writer answered that the arch-demon blood was not necessary. 

edit: found the link  

Seems to me the archdemon blood was mentioned when either Riordan or Duncan are talking about the Joining..now they've gone back on that?  LOL

Riordan specifically talks about archdemon blood being in storage in the vault..and that it was taken away by Loghain.   Only reason he would do that is to prevent more Grey Wardens from participating in the Joining Ritual.

[Feraele]

Quoting David Gaider:



"The flaw in your story is that simply drinking darkspawn blood does not make one a Grey Warden. Most likely Joseph would come down with the blight and become a ghoul in short order. The villagers would have found him delerious and sick with fever, and if he survived he would have disappeared one night and never been seen again.



Becoming a Grey Warden requires a dose of the darkspawn corruption in sufficient potency that it immediately affects someone, rather than slowly enough to sicken them.



Archdemon blood can be used (though is understandably much rarer), but any darkspawn blood can be magically treated to make it work. Your rank-and-file darkspawn simply doesn't have enough of the corruption within him to do the trick... though who knows?



If he drank enough, maybe it might work. I don't doubt a story of an "accidental" Grey Warden could be justified, although it would take some doing. "



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[Arleneverde]

Hmmmm....Morrigan seems to know an awful lot about it all and the things about it that are supposedly secret. I'll just bet that the sneaky little minx could create someone with the same powers as a Grey Warden but none of the indoctrination they so love.



That might be an interesting story line. Some poor schmuck given the powers and sent to you by Morrigan as a gift and/or a spy.

[Arleneverde]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Actually, he can still breed, as long as the mate isn't tainted as well. So you will have to make Filsa and sigrun WArdens.

Don't rain on my parade. Technically, you are correct, of course. But I choose to believe that in his case "difficult" translates to isn't happening.

[Cutlass Jack]

Arleneverde wrote...

That's actually a good idea. Then he wouldn't be able to breed.

There's wasn't a huge risk of that to begin with. His own wife started batting for the other team after being with him.

[Arleneverde]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

Arleneverde wrote...

That's actually a good idea. Then he wouldn't be able to breed.

There's wasn't a huge risk of that to begin with. His own wife started batting for the other team after being with him.

Ha! Yes. But unfortunately in my experience it is always the people who shouldn't be who are the most likely to knock someone up without trying. So, the more roadblocks in his way, the better.

[IndigoEye]

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

I'd have thought it'd be hard to invite a friend to become a Grey Warden, since there's every chance they'd *die* if they accepted. We know Zevran didn't want to be one (he says so at the end). Wynne would be too old (Loghain in the epilogue doesn't last long as a Warden because of his age). Morrigan would never do it since it would wreck her plans. Shale's a golem, so no go. That leaves Oghren, Leliana and Sten. Sten is obligated to return home (if you find his sword for him) so he wouldn't be a Warden willingly, I think. If you play a dwarf character you learn from Alistair there haven't been any GW dwarves in a long time, likely because they spend most of their lives fighting darkspawn underground and see no need to be Wardens to do their job. Leliana?

Yeah, I felt like the lack of the option to have your partners become Wardens was odd, (before thinking out the ritual end of it) but then I realized the only two characters that would make sense were Leliana and Oghren, with Oghren even being a stretch.  Not having the option feels a lot more acceptable when it ultimately doesn't seem practical.

[elearon1]

And, of course, I'd never put my good friends through that - I've seen what can happen when you go through the joining, I sure as hell wouldn't want to take the chance that Leliana or Zevran would die ... so, for IC purposes, I can see not wanting that possibility placed before you.

[Arleneverde]

Stoomkal wrote...

Why would a responsible Warden Commander make Oghren a Warden??

He is a drunk - I am not sure an alchoholic could survive a job interview, let alone have what it takes to be a world saving hero.

Oghren's character is made of Fail in terms of Grey Warden qualities... may as well take Sandal...

I didn't get the impression that upstanding moral character was exactly a requirement for Grey Wardenhood. Daveth from Ostagar was a petty thief. There is the whole Loghain thing where you can turn him into one and he is a paranoid murderous bastard/regicide who thinks any end justifies the means. Compared to him Oghren is a paragon of virtue (pun half intended).

That said, I'd rather Oghren was given an incurable and fatal STD from the next Nug he tried to wrestle naked than he be made a Warden. He is dwarf-doms answer to Beevis and Butthead and I didn't ever need to see him again, let alone turn him into a potential hero with a statue to him.

[Divine Justinia V]

Oh I hope so!! My last playthrough he grew on me

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Stoomkal wrote...

Why would a responsible Warden Commander make Oghren a Warden??

He is a drunk - I am not sure an alchoholic could survive a job interview, let alone have what it takes to be a world saving hero.

Depends on how you treated him in your party and what epilogue you got. You could have him drop the booze and become a really good army general or something in one ending, I think?

[Eudaemonium]

I find most of Oghren's endings at moderately high approval have him giving up the booze, or at leats toning it down and settling in. He can marry and have a family, become a great general and several others things. Its only if you finish with him at low approval that he runs off to become a drunken nuisance, I think.