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[stillnotking]

Well, if someone's interested in you then it's reasonable to think they'll pursue it. I agree that ME2 went way overboard in the "romance or nothing" direction, though, especially for male Shepard (and FemShep with Jacob). Jack is the worst -- you can tell her you're not interested, at which point she accuses you of toying with her emotions (what?) and basically sulks for the rest of the game. At least Tali and Miranda take rejection pretty well, although I always feel a little bad for Tali since she has such an obvious crush. Maybe Shepard can set her up with Kal'Reegar the next time we visit the Migrant Fleet...

[Zhijn]

You can always pick the middle option when the situation on romance comes up.

Like with Miranda, the middle option will have Shepard comment on her and the mission in a nice tone and she "thank you". Done, no romance.

Modifié par Zhijn, 22 février 2010 - 11:30 .

[Gre3nham]

I'd like sum sort of best friend option for non-romancible charicters. Like garrus on my male shep. He Is my favorite charicter by far, but serriously, even with femshep, chafing!



I think that you should be able to be besties with squaddies, and get a scene with them, going to a bar, or just taking over dinner or somthing with some other dialouge.

[Pauravi]

Zhijn wrote...

You can always pick the middle option when the situation on romance comes up.

Like with Miranda, the middle option will have Shepard comment on her and the mission in a nice tone and she "thank you". Done, no romance.

Well yeah, but the point is that you basically get no dialogue with them after that.
It isn't just about that you're either romancing them or being mean, it is about the fact that you can't just get to KNOW them without romancing them.

[stillnotking]

Zhijn wrote...

You can always pick the middle option when the situation on romance comes up.

Like with Miranda, the middle option will have Shepard comment on her and the mission in a nice tone and she "thank you". Done, no romance.

It's just strange that the "Paragon" option is also the "romance" option, and it's often unclear exactly what the romance trigger dialogue is.  With Jack, in particular, I remember just saying some random encouraging thing to her, and suddenly she was all up ons.

[Zhijn]

stillnotking wrote...

Zhijn wrote...

You can always pick the middle option when the situation on romance comes up.

Like with Miranda, the middle option will have Shepard comment on her and the mission in a nice tone and she "thank you". Done, no romance.

It's just strange that the "Paragon" option is also the "romance" option, and it's often unclear exactly what the romance trigger dialogue is.  With Jack, in particular, I remember just saying some random encouraging thing to her, and suddenly she was all up ons.

Kelly did warn you about Jack. =P

[ToshiStation38]

It does kind of make sense that you lose out on conversations. You won't get to know someone as intimately if you're just friends as opposed to romantic partners, though you don't really learn anything new about the LIs if you romance them.

Modifié par ToshiStation38, 22 février 2010 - 12:14 .

[Pannamaslo]

What bugged was the fact that you can't be friends with Jack as a female. I liked Morrigan's frienship route in DA, where she acknowledges friendship bond. Jack is like - I am not into girls. GTFO. Also case with Garrus - if you are male he has like 3 conversations...

[MaaZeus]

Dragon Age did romance dialog quite perfectly. You had a ton of Romance dialog AND you had a ton of Friendship dialog, with all characters.

In ME2 there are couple of obvious romance trigger dialogs. But if you dont click them, then its finished, no more dialog from them.



But then there are few where it all leads to romance. With Jack even if you choose neutral options it STILL leads to romance trigger, and if you have a thing going on with someone else she complains and refuses to talk as long as that goes on. What, I cant be friend with you without getting in your pants? God knows you need a friend who doesnt immidietly care about that thing!



There was very little friendship conversations with other characters of same sex too. Mordin had a lot which I am thankful, but Garrus as above poster said, has what, 3 CONVERSATIONS? One of your dearest friends from ME1 and all he just does is calibrating?

[Cyberfrog81]

The red option is for INTIMIDATE. Many fans (not to mention the media ) would be in uproar, obviously with good reason, if you could intimidate people into sexual relationships.

But yes, it would be nice to get more dialogue also without having to "romance" people. Mordin is a shining example of how fun that can be.

[Gaddmeister]

Yeah it's way too easy, And it was too easy in ME1 as well. I remember the last time I played it I was aiming to go through that game without a LI. Oh, how I failed!

Liara was obviously wanting to be more than Shepard's friend. I turned her down, said we should be just friends. Then I had spoke quite a lot to Ash, drinking with her etc. However I had also mocked her dead father and her religious belief. So I must admit that I was a bit surprised when she all of a sudden asked if I was still interested in her. What? No! But alas, I could not even say that.

Then I went to Noveria for all that stuff and I asked Liara afterwards how she felt and tried to be nice to her. Then all of a sudden the romance was on again?! I didn't even know that was possible. So I had the inevitable scene by the lockers when grounded, and the love scene before Ilos. But I told Liara to go so my Shepard never slept with her.

Still he had a photo of Liara on his desk in his quarters on the SR-2 and he kissed Liara when they met. Que? They never even kissed in the first game.

So yes, it's too easy and the feeling in ME2 is the same.

Modifié par Gaddmeister, 22 février 2010 - 03:04 .

[Shazzie]

I know!!



I was SO irritated by the fact that it seemed my character was throwing herself at Jacob from word one on the Normandy (ugh) and yet I couldn't continue getting to know Jack because I ran into the 'I don't have any more conversation options for you unless you're gonna sleep with me' wall.



Ugh.

[Mikenator700]

I really just wanted to be nice and be friends with all the women (aside from Tali of course). But it's always romance if you constantly choose the paragon options.

[dinin70]

DarkNova50 wrote...

scxenophobe wrote...

cipher_Cero wrote...

Romance subplots should only be pursuable through "Charm" or "Intimidate" dialogue.

Intimidate? "Love me or I'll kill you?" very romantic.

Heh.

I think it'd be more along the lines of:
Tali: Is this crazy Shepard? I don't know...it's all just so new.
Shepard: [Renegade] Good! Embrace the fear...

As for the OP, I share your concerns about not just being able to be friends with them.
I guess the women are just naturally drawn to the sheer animal hiding inside of every Shepard.
Vice versa for FemSheps. Rawr.

lol

[MaaZeus]

Cyberfrog81 wrote...

The red option is for INTIMIDATE. Many fans (not to mention the media ) would be in uproar, obviously with good reason, if you could intimidate people into sexual relationships.

But yes, it would be nice to get more dialogue also without having to "romance" people. Mordin is a shining example of how fun that can be.

Intimidate option isnt always intimidate. It can very well be just... sinfully naughty.

Paragon would be something sappy and sweet, love related. Renegade option would be around the lines of "ME SO HORNY ME LOVE YOU LONG TIME!".

[JMKnave]

MaaZeus wrote...
Dragon Age did romance dialog quite perfectly. You had a ton of Romance dialog AND you had a ton of Friendship dialog, with all characters.
In ME2 there are couple of obvious romance trigger dialogs. But if you dont click them, then its finished, no more dialog from them.

They're two different games. We all have to keep in mind that Bioware spent a considerable amount of time on redoing the entire game and combat mechanics in ME2. That didn't leave them nearly enough time to flesh out all dialog options as much as perhaps they would've liked.

But they've already stated that now that the mechanics are where they want them to be and that it wont change for ME3, it leaves them with a lot more development time to put into the story and characters.

[Skyblade012]

I didn't feel the romances were too forced (especially compared to the first game).  Every one of them had options that had to be specifically chosen by Shepard to initiate and were obviously indicating that Shepard was interested.  Maybe it's different for FemShep then it is for MaleShep, I don't know.

[Akinra]

cipher_Cero wrote...
"I just don't know if this is the right career path for me. I don't think I have the right skillset to succeed as a media journalist."
"I think you'll do just fine, and you'll nail that interview."
"I'm glad you think so. May I ride your bone later?"

That's how every conversation feels. I'm sure Shepard just can't get anything else done anymore. Even krogan want to mate with him. I shudder to think of what happens if a female krogan joins your squad in ME3.

It's funny because it's true.

I agree totally with the OP and the other comments. In relation to Jack and Garrus in particular I found it quite annoying; you can't get to know her without her thinking you're coming on to her and when you tell her you're not interested in that way she sulks and tells you to f**k off, and if you're male you get 3 conversations (I think) with Garrus and two of those are in relation to his loyalty assignment.

[Caeseji]

/signed



Really makes it difficult to stay faithful to the absent Liara during my first playthrough with all of the female love interests wanting to jump my bones if I'm nice to them. Though they did have get out clauses for a few of them so you can stay just friends (Miranda is one I observed).

[Exile Isan]

Tleining wrote...
Only with Garrus it alwas ended with "I had reach, she had Flexibility" and i was left standing with "we could ease tension together" and "Goodbye". No option to stop him from saying that over and over again.

Actually, there are two options if you take the "easing tension" dialog. One to flirt with him and one that actually means you want to spar with him. The latter leads to some really funny, non-romance dialog.

[Delsch]

It's way easier to avoid romances in ME2 than it was in ME1. I had to strictly avoid talking to Kaidan to avoid a romance without having to be an idiot and I had the chat with Liara, also going "no".

The romances in ME2 all have obvious lines to which leads to romances, at least on FemShep. But yeah, it's very annoying you can't go by the whole "You dont like me enough so I'll sit here and not ever say anything new again"... darn Garrus and his calibrations!

And the worst thing is that you CAN miss out on important character conversations if you don't romance them. Thane for example has a slight "character change" if you romance him. Don't know about the others.

[Erode_The_Soul]

Tleining wrote...

i just finished another femShep playthrough, and the only "romance" that was kinda forced was Garrus. With Jacob there were the options "I'm interested" and "i want to be your friend" (not 100%, but something like that). So it was pretty clear that one would result in a romance, the other in him letting loose with the drinks on the citadel.
Same for Thane, Options were "I want you" and "talk to the others" (again, not 100% what was presented in game).
Only with Garrus it alwas ended with "I had reach, she had Flexibility" and i was left standing with "we could ease tension together" and "Goodbye". No option to stop him from saying that over and over again.

Actually, I'd say the only romance that seems forced is Jacob's, and that's just because how sleazy Femsheps sounds talking to him about anything other than upgrades. It got to the point where I just stopped talking to Jacob because I couldn't stand how my Shepard sounded around him.<_<

Garrus' romance has a trigger, but it also has a denial. You pick up the "relieve stress" option, and he responds with "I didn't know you liked sparring!" You can then reply something along the lines of "Yes, I love sparring!" (to which he responds that he doesn't want to get his ass kicked by a girl or something) or the romantic "I was talking tie breaker; you know, reach, flexibility, hint hint!"


I would definitely appreciate more non-romantic dialogue with the characters. I was actually surprised it was so....poorly done?...in this game since it was so character driven. Hopefully ME3 will allow the characters to be more fleshed out without it culminating in the cheesy love scene.

[Jeremy Winston]

Grrrrr.... I also hated how my femshep acted around Jacob. As soon as she comes in and leans back onto the table the very first time, I thought... "Uh oh."



When I played a ManShep, I finally just stopped talking to the other women after I picked one. I had gotten most of the dialog as a FemShep and didn't want to get someone all worked up. I really like all the women characters, and if I have time, I'll do a runthrough for each of them... But I really hate the idea of disappointing one.



I guess that should be considered a 'hats off' to BioWare for making me feel that way.

[cipher_Cero]

FemShep saying "I'm more interested in just... talking for a bit" and then doing the bro-hug afterwards if you rejected the romance is nothing short of comical.

I find it even more hilarious that because FemShep and ManShep share their poses during conversations, ManShep says the same thing and leans on the table just a little too enticingly. And then the bro-hug afterwards.

Almost as if Jacob's actually telling you "no."

[bluecuban]

I agree completely. I was playing a male Shepard and had no interest in anyone, but all of a sudden Tali, Jack, and Miranda want me. Jack was the most unexpected because I thought everything I clicked for choices was to just be friends, then she starts getting angry I'm apparently dating Tali.



Apparently men and woman can't just be friends in ME2.