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[Saniala]

I got my warrior up to the point where I'm just about to go to the Landsmeet. I have never been able to succesfully persuade Ser Cauthrien to stand down so I was curious how much cunning on top of four ranks in coercion you would need to do it.
I tried searching the forums here in case someone had done any testing on this, but found nothing.

What I started with was a warrior with 21 in cunning, had put 16 points on it and then gained the rest from the Circle quest. I also had +7 from equipment, so 28 in total to start with. Went to the Landsmeet and, as expected, failed the persuade attempt.
So I started exploiting my Grimoire of the Frozen Wastes. Disable the Collector's Edition DLC, force load, save game, enable DLC, load game, use tome, spend three points on cunning, save and go for another persuade attempt. After every failure I repeated this.

I kept repeating that for almost an hour, with my cunning slowly climbing to pretty high amount. Now I have managed to intimidate Ser Cauthrien before so I thought that I wouldn't need much more on cunning than strength that I had back then. But as I reached 102 cunning and +8 from equipments on top of that and still failing the persuade, I gave up.
After that I tried using intimidate on the same warrior. My strength was 65 (59+6) and sure enough, it was a success.

So did they make that persuade option automatic fail or how high did they think us taking our cunning attribute? Has anyone cheated hundreds of points to cunning to see if it will work? Why is Ser Cauthrien so easily intimidated considering she beat my backside during the rescue quest?

Also I forgot to take backup from my save file so now I'm stuck with extremely cunning warrior.

[blademaster7]

Hmm... I've never had any problem persuading her.



I passed the persuasion check with max coercion and about 16 cunning.



If you provoke her she will attack I think... don't use the intimidate dialogue

[Kryyptehk]

Hmmm. I've always been able to persuade her. I was using a sword and board warrior. I was able to convince her with 24 cunning and level 4 coercion. Using just Persuade.

[Saniala]

Kryyptehk wrote...

Hmmm. I've always been able to persuade her. I was using a sword and board warrior. I was able to convince her with 24 cunning and level 4 coercion. Using just Persuade.

Would it make a difference if you tried fighting her during the rescue or surrender? Which one did you choose?

[Kryyptehk]

Santala wrote...

Kryyptehk wrote...

Hmmm. I've always been able to persuade her. I was using a sword and board warrior. I was able to convince her with 24 cunning and level 4 coercion. Using just Persuade.

Would it make a difference if you tried fighting her during the rescue or surrender? Which one did you choose?

I surrendered on that playthrough without a fight. But I don't think it would matter. If you fought her and lost, the game would take your straight to Captured! and if you won, she wouldn't be alive to persuade.

[Saniala]

Kryyptehk wrote...

I surrendered on that playthrough without a fight. But I don't think it would matter. If you fought her and lost, the game would take your straight to Captured! and if you won, she wouldn't be alive to persuade.

I fought and lost, which is what I have done on every character. So that may be why I couldn't persuade her. Although I don't know why I'm still able to intimidate her.

[Kryyptehk]

Santala wrote...

Kryyptehk wrote...

I surrendered on that playthrough without a fight. But I don't think it would matter. If you fought her and lost, the game would take your straight to Captured! and if you won, she wouldn't be alive to persuade.

I fought and lost, which is what I have done on every character. So that may be why I couldn't persuade her. Although I don't know why I'm still able to intimidate her.

I almost want to say it's a glitch. It seems like you would be able to no matter what you did.

[Allattar1]

I always wondered if there was something to do with race in there as well.

It would make sense to have a different reaction to a human noble than a City Elf.

[Saniala]

Allattar1 wrote...

I always wondered if there was something to do with race in there as well.
It would make sense to have a different reaction to a human noble than a City Elf.

I forgot to mention that this test was done with Dalish Elf character.

[Kryyptehk]

Allattar1 wrote...

I always wondered if there was something to do with race in there as well.
It would make sense to have a different reaction to a human noble than a City Elf.

That would be weird. I wouldn't know because my elves usually kill her. And I haven't finished a dwarf.

I still think it is a glitch.

[Eudaemonium]

I've both succeeded and failed at persuading her with max coercion. As far as I can tell, the deciding factor IS whether you surrender to her or fight and lose during the Rescue the Queen quest. When I did the former, she stepped aside; when I did the latter she refused to. Other times I've surrendered and then fought her anyway to get the Summer Sword + codex entry, though.

[Maria Caliban]

What do you say to her?



"Do you really not see what Loghain has become?"

[Kryyptehk]

Maria Caliban wrote...

What do you say to her?

"Do you really not see what Loghain has become?"

That's the one I always choose, the one with [Persuade] infront of it.

[sylvanaerie]

My first run through on an Elven mage I didn't watch my reply and Anora turned me in to Cauthrien, precipitating a fight (got my butt handed to me but made some extra funny convo options in the subsequent scenes). I was able to persuade her at the Landsmeet to stand down. I always have max coersion by Landsmeet and my cunning is close to (or a little over 30). So whether you fight her or not, she WILL stand down if you make your persuade check. All other times I surrender, just seems the more sensible thing as you are trying to get Anora out and you don't want your companions killed from an RP standpoint. And escaping Fort Drakon is one of my favorite sequences in the game.

[DWSmiley]

I suspect the key is whether you fight (and lose) or surrender at Howe's estate. I fought and then couldn't persuade her to stand down at the Landsmeet even with four levels of coercion.

[Helios969]

Yeah, I've had the same problem. I always have a high cunning and max persuasion, and followed dialogue threads that seem be structure to accomplish that. She even seems like she wants you to convince her to stand down. In the end though, we always fight. My impression of her is that she's fundamentally a good person who has been blinded by her loyalty to Loghain.

[Saniala]

DWSmiley wrote...

I suspect the key is whether you fight (and lose) or surrender at Howe's estate. I fought and then couldn't persuade her to stand down at the Landsmeet even with four levels of coercion.

Indeed. But considering what sylvanaerie said, it seems that if you fight her after revealing the queen's precense during the escape, you could still persuade her later. What I did was just attacking her straight, without revealing the queen.

Well, I might test that one out next time I play through that part.

[sylvanaerie]

Helios969 wrote...

Yeah, I've had the same problem. I always have a high cunning and max persuasion, and followed dialogue threads that seem be structure to accomplish that. She even seems like she wants you to convince her to stand down. In the end though, we always fight. My impression of her is that she's fundamentally a good person who has been blinded by her loyalty to Loghain.

You can't take the other talk options you MUST take the (persuade) option right off or she will just rationalize everything Loghain has done and attack you anyway.  One time through I decided to see what would happen if I did choose the other arguments.   I had surrendered at Howe's estate too.  It didn't end well for her and her backup. 

[CalJones]

Yes, I tried intimdating her and it ended in a fight. I reloaded and tried persuade and that worked. This was after a fight at Howe's - it might be easier if you surrender, I don't know.

[errant_knight]

Santala wrote...

DWSmiley wrote...

I suspect the key is whether you fight (and lose) or surrender at Howe's estate. I fought and then couldn't persuade her to stand down at the Landsmeet even with four levels of coercion.

Indeed. But considering what sylvanaerie said, it seems that if you fight her after revealing the queen's precense during the escape, you could still persuade her later. What I did was just attacking her straight, without revealing the queen.

Well, I might test that one out next time I play through that part.

I've always surrendered and been able to persuade her at the end. I'm going to try something different this time. I haven't decided id I want to just fight her, which might be an interesting choice in that it's one of the few times Alistair urges you to just go for it without thinking of the repercussions, or to reveal Anora, which I hear leads to a funny line from Alistair in the prison. If I do the second, I'll probably fight Ser Cautherin at landsmeet. I find myself increasingly disgusted by her willingness to put aside her morals for the sake of loyalty.

[maxernst]

Helios969 wrote...

Yeah, I've had the same problem. I always have a high cunning and max persuasion, and followed dialogue threads that seem be structure to accomplish that. She even seems like she wants you to convince her to stand down. In the end though, we always fight. My impression of her is that she's fundamentally a good person who has been blinded by her loyalty to Loghain.

I'm max persuasion and cunning ~25, and I surrendered before, so the persuasion check worked for me.  I feel the same way about her character.  Too bad you can't get her to undertake the Joining.  She'd rock!

[Kryyptehk]

maxernst wrote...

Helios969 wrote...

Yeah, I've had the same problem. I always have a high cunning and max persuasion, and followed dialogue threads that seem be structure to accomplish that. She even seems like she wants you to convince her to stand down. In the end though, we always fight. My impression of her is that she's fundamentally a good person who has been blinded by her loyalty to Loghain.

I'm max persuasion and cunning ~25, and I surrendered before, so the persuasion check worked for me.  I feel the same way about her character.  Too bad you can't get her to undertake the Joining.  She'd rock!

Or she'd be dead.

[Sandtigress]

errant_knight wrote...

Santala wrote...

DWSmiley wrote...

I suspect the key is whether you fight (and lose) or surrender at Howe's estate. I fought and then couldn't persuade her to stand down at the Landsmeet even with four levels of coercion.

Indeed. But considering what sylvanaerie said, it seems that if you fight her after revealing the queen's precense during the escape, you could still persuade her later. What I did was just attacking her straight, without revealing the queen.

Well, I might test that one out next time I play through that part.

I've always surrendered and been able to persuade her at the end. I'm going to try something different this time. I haven't decided id I want to just fight her, which might be an interesting choice in that it's one of the few times Alistair urges you to just go for it without thinking of the repercussions, or to reveal Anora, which I hear leads to a funny line from Alistair in the prison. If I do the second, I'll probably fight Ser Cautherin at landsmeet. I find myself increasingly disgusted by her willingness to put aside her morals for the sake of loyalty.

Heh yes, if you choose the angry line about Anora in the prison, Alistair asks if he can hold her down for you, or something to that effect.  Zev also has a great line about cutting her throat if he's in your party.


Its not your actions with Cauthrien that determine your persuade later - with my HNF I managed to talk her down once, and then had to fight her when I tried to do it again, when I was seeing what my various options for Landsmeet were.  The dialog choices I picked must have changed though I thought I did them the same.  It was a shame, that second time, cause I was sure I could talk Cauthrien down and only had myself and Alistair at that fight.  

[errant_knight]

Sandtigress wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

Santala wrote...

DWSmiley wrote...

I suspect the key is whether you fight (and lose) or surrender at Howe's estate. I fought and then couldn't persuade her to stand down at the Landsmeet even with four levels of coercion.

Indeed. But considering what sylvanaerie said, it seems that if you fight her after revealing the queen's precense during the escape, you could still persuade her later. What I did was just attacking her straight, without revealing the queen.

Well, I might test that one out next time I play through that part.

I've always surrendered and been able to persuade her at the end. I'm going to try something different this time. I haven't decided id I want to just fight her, which might be an interesting choice in that it's one of the few times Alistair urges you to just go for it without thinking of the repercussions, or to reveal Anora, which I hear leads to a funny line from Alistair in the prison. If I do the second, I'll probably fight Ser Cautherin at landsmeet. I find myself increasingly disgusted by her willingness to put aside her morals for the sake of loyalty.

Heh yes, if you choose the angry line about Anora in the prison, Alistair asks if he can hold her down for you, or something to that effect.  Zev also has a great line about cutting her throat if he's in your party.


Its not your actions with Cauthrien that determine your persuade later - with my HNF I managed to talk her down once, and then had to fight her when I tried to do it again, when I was seeing what my various options for Landsmeet were.  The dialog choices I picked must have changed though I thought I did them the same.  It was a shame, that second time, cause I was sure I could talk Cauthrien down and only had myself and Alistair at that fight.  

I've done that, assumed that something was going to be a cakewalk because it always had been before, then had it go awry at the worst possible time. When I know I'll be meeting Goldanna, I always take only Alistair, to give him a little privacy. The other party members know anyway, but that's how I do it. One time, I forgot that camp wasn't at Denerim and we ended up going on a trip and getting attacked. That was a pretty tough fight!

[Sandtigress]

Can you believe I actually beat Cauthrien and her baddies with just the two of us? I was surprised, and proud. And then realized that I'd used up enough healing potions that beating Loghain with Alistair was kind of tough. Not for my HNF though - she spanked him. Poor Al, his queen is a better fighter than he is...Though he probably finds that attractive, to be honest.