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[Bratt1204]

Sandtigress wrote...

Can you believe I actually beat Cauthrien and her baddies with just the two of us? I was surprised, and proud. And then realized that I'd used up enough healing potions that beating Loghain with Alistair was kind of tough. Not for my HNF though - she spanked him. Poor Al, his queen is a better fighter than he is...Though he probably finds that attractive, to be honest.

Impressed.

[Sandtigress]

Bratt1204 wrote...

Sandtigress wrote...

Can you believe I actually beat Cauthrien and her baddies with just the two of us? I was surprised, and proud. And then realized that I'd used up enough healing potions that beating Loghain with Alistair was kind of tough. Not for my HNF though - she spanked him. Poor Al, his queen is a better fighter than he is...Though he probably finds that attractive, to be honest.

Impressed.

lol Don't be too impressed - this is the Landsmeet fight and not the one at Howe's estate - she slaughters me every time there.  I'm pretty sure I just got lucky and had plenty of healing poultices, but it was still a nice feeling to win.

[errant_knight]

Sandtigress wrote...

Bratt1204 wrote...

Sandtigress wrote...

Can you believe I actually beat Cauthrien and her baddies with just the two of us? I was surprised, and proud. And then realized that I'd used up enough healing potions that beating Loghain with Alistair was kind of tough. Not for my HNF though - she spanked him. Poor Al, his queen is a better fighter than he is...Though he probably finds that attractive, to be honest.

Impressed.

lol Don't be too impressed - this is the Landsmeet fight and not the one at Howe's estate - she slaughters me every time there.  I'm pretty sure I just got lucky and had plenty of healing poultices, but it was still a nice feeling to win.

How do you make your PC so strong and still put enough points into cunning to get the extra dialogues? Alistair always ends up much stronger for me, even with all those extra points in the fade.

[Sandtigress]

Hmm, don't know. Here are Amelia's stats, she's level 20 right now:



Strength 43 +2

Dexterity 30 +2

Willpower 21 +2

Magic 12 +2

Cunning 31 +1

Constitution 19 +1



She's got all four ranks of coercion and combat training. Some of that's the Fade bonuses...otherwise, I don't use tomes, at least not yet.

[melkathi]

errant_knight wrote...

Sandtigress wrote...

Bratt1204 wrote...

Sandtigress wrote...

Can you believe I actually beat Cauthrien and her baddies with just the two of us? I was surprised, and proud. And then realized that I'd used up enough healing potions that beating Loghain with Alistair was kind of tough. Not for my HNF though - she spanked him. Poor Al, his queen is a better fighter than he is...Though he probably finds that attractive, to be honest.

Impressed.

lol Don't be too impressed - this is the Landsmeet fight and not the one at Howe's estate - she slaughters me every time there.  I'm pretty sure I just got lucky and had plenty of healing poultices, but it was still a nice feeling to win.

How do you make your PC so strong and still put enough points into cunning to get the extra dialogues? Alistair always ends up much stronger for me, even with all those extra points in the fade.

She was slain while trying to stop Amelia from entering the Landsmeet.

Str 41 Dex 30 Cun 31.
Sword and Shield.

Basicly Sandtigress shrugged off everything Ser Cauthrien's men threw at her, while hardly missing and dealing quite a few criticals on Cauthrien.

Or at leasts that's what my crystal ball tells me


EDIT: ninjad by Sandtigress

Modifié par melkathi, 23 février 2010 - 12:20 .

[errant_knight]

Double post....

Modifié par errant_knight, 23 février 2010 - 12:33 .

[errant_knight]

I always try to get cunning quite a bit higher than that. This game I've done Lothering, the Forest, the Mages Circle (not Redcliff), and the first two parts of Orzammar (Proving, Jarvia), and I'm at 40 with 35 in permanent points and 5 in item points. I think you get everything at about 46, but I'm not sure about that. 46 is as high as I've taken it. This time, I thought I'd try for 50 and see if I got anything different.

Modifié par errant_knight, 23 février 2010 - 12:34 .

[krylo]

I thought that every point of coercion was worth 25 cunning/strength toward persuade/intimidate checks, so having all four points of coercion put you at 100 points toward persuade/intimidate, and no checks in the game require over 100.

Which is to say cunning is completely superfluous if you have four ranks of coercion, and, likewise, if you have 35 cunning/strength (because it's not until after 10 points in a stat that it begins counting toward conversation checks) you have no reason to have over 3 ranks of coercion. If you have over 60 cunning/strength you have no reason to have over 2, etc.

Though I still like having high cunning because it allows for some other cunning specific dialogue choices, like calling out Weylon (if I'm remembering his name right).

Edit: Though I admit I've only met Cautherine at the landsmeet once.  I refuse to allow her to defeat me at Howe's estate.  The trick is to lure her into Anora's room.  Trying to fight her in a large open area with all those archers and the mage is pretty much impossible, but the AI is stupid and the archer's won't follow you into Anora's room, allowing you to face off against just her and maybe one or two guards that followed, before moving on to wipe out the archers.

Even if they did follow, however, that'd still be the way to do it as you could get all the archers together in a small space, making them more susceptible to AoE nukes.

Modifié par krylo, 23 février 2010 - 12:44 .

[errant_knight]

krylo wrote...

I thought that every point of coercion was worth 25 cunning/strength toward persuade/intimidate checks, so having all four points of coercion put you at 100 points toward persuade/intimidate, and no checks in the game require over 100.

Which is to say cunning is completely superfluous if you have four ranks of coercion, and, likewise, if you have 35 cunning/strength (because it's not until after 10 points in a stat that it begins counting toward conversation checks) you have no reason to have over 3 ranks of coercion. If you have over 60 cunning/strength you have no reason to have over 2, etc.

Though I still like having high cunning because it allows for some other cunning specific dialogue choices, like calling out Weylon (if I'm remembering his name right).

The dialogue choices is why I do it. I can get all the persuade/intimidate options much lower. You can find out some interesting things. This time I had my cunning a little higher than usual at Ostagar and the guard told me that Cailan and Loghain had been fighting about Anora--Loghain wasn't happy about something he or Anora had done. I'm guessing that was when Loghain found out about the treaties. That might happen at a lower level, but I hadn't tried talking to that guard since my first playthrough when I wasn't pushing the cunning as hard, and he wouldn't tell me anything then.

Modifié par errant_knight, 23 février 2010 - 12:49 .

[Maria Caliban]

I do it because even though my 'main' is always a warrior, I can't stand having a PC with int/cunning as a dump stat. I did the same in NWN; my great sword wielding warrior always started with 15 str and 14 int.

[Sandtigress]

Yeah, I don't get nearly as many dialog choices with my warriors as I do with my rogues, which is a shame, but ah well, its easier to fight with my warriors, so its a bit of a give and take.

[melkathi]

Maria Caliban wrote...

I do it because even though my 'main' is always a warrior, I can't stand having a PC with int/cunning as a dump stat. I did the same in NWN; my great sword wielding warrior always started with 15 str and 14 int.

Hmm in our pen and paper groups we had that as a joke:
A warrior's main ability score is Strength... unless it's Melkathi's char, then it's Charisma.

[fcedric]

In fact if you be killed during rescue Anora by fighting with Cauthrien, to get his sword for example, than in the lands meet to persuade her you need :
1:/ intimidate : Turn aside, serve your queen ...
2:/ How can you support the man who killed your king ...
3:/ So you admit Loghain killed Cailan
4:/ How do you justify letting Arl Owe ....
5:/ To support his war he sold his own people
6:/ Persuade : Then let me stop him

It have worked for me... I precise i have fighte her (die first) during quest "rescue the queen to max xp, until one soldier left, and i let him kill me (to have the quest "captured" in fort drakon)...