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[ashwind]

Noristias wrote...

Gladiador2 wrote...

Anybody still doubting that the Cain is a life-saver?

(Harmless self-promotion ).

Whhooah! I have to try it in next playthrough

The more I use Cain, the more I love that weapon. To me it is the one TRUE heavy weapon, especially at 200% ammo capacity. Unlike other heavy weapons, when it hits, it kills - and it kills a lot of baddies especially when you know the map and know that there are half a dozen and more baddies just around the corner. 

:devil:

[Sursion]

1) Arc Projector

2) M-100

3) Collector Particle Beam



Everything else is useless on Hardcore + Insanity.

[swn32]

The only heavy weapons I use are Cain and Arc Projector. Cain on boss level creatures like Praetoreans, Thresher Maw, Occulus, Geth Collossus, Reaper Core, Human Reaper.



Arc Projector is great for CC, its incredibly useful in geth missions (especially Legion loyalty). I also remember using Missile Launcher once on the Eclipse Smuggling Depot mission to bait the YMIR mechs one by one.



The other heavy weapons are quite useless IMO.

[Simbacca]

•  Arc Projector
• Cain
• Avalanche
• Grenade Launcher
• CPB
• Rocket Launcher
• Firestorm

(i've only ever played insanity, if that matters at all)

Modifié par Simbacca, 17 novembre 2010 - 02:27 .

[Itkovian]

I'm going to have to go with the Cain, even though the Grenade Launcher is more useful IMO.

Fact of the matter is that the Cain is the only weapon that achieves levels of destruction normal weapons can''t (as a Soldier).

Plus it is incredibly satisfying. One of my favourite uses was when fighting the Geth Armature in Tali's recruitment mission. Difficulty was high and I was having a hard time handling the Armature and the constantly respawning Geth. I was at 98% ammo and could not use the Cain, then noticed power cells on the other side of the Armature.

Had to fight my way to the other side, get the ammo, then struggle to get the shot off from behind cover. Eventually off it went, and after an absolutely deafening explosion there remained nothing but silence and fallen ashes.

I could probably have won with regular weaponry... but the Cain made it much more fun and dramatic.

Itkovian

[swk3000]

Here's my take on each of the Heavy Weapons.



* Grenade Launcher - High Rate of Fire and guaranteed knockdown even through protection makes this an excellent general-purpose weapon. Other weapons may be flashier, but this is a solid weapon under any circumstance.



* Missile Launcher - Underwhelming. I may be spoiled by other games, where a Missile Launcher deals massive damage in a large AoE, but the damage of this thing really doesn't live up to the expectations I have for it. Also, it's got Smart Targeting, which is a lie, because there's nothing smart about it.



* Avalanche - Low damage, but a massive multiplier against Protection. It tears through every form of protection quickly, then freezes the target solid. Great for Crowd Control and Defense Stripping, not so great for direct damage.



* Cain - At 10,000 damage, it's the single most damaging weapon in the game. The massive amount of ammo it requires for use is just for balance. When it absolutely, positively, has to die, you want the Cain.



* Collector Particle Beam - A very nice idea, but getting any sort of constant damage requires you to stay out of cover for extended periods of time. On Insanity, this is generally regarded as a Bad Idea.



* Firestorm - Just like the Collector Particle Beam, you have to stay out of cover to use it. However, unlike the Collector Particle Beam, you also have to be at point-blank range. This means most enemies in the area will be firing on you, while you can only concentrate on one or two enemies at a time. Not a good weapon.



* Blackstorm - Like the Avalanche, it's got low damage, but great Crowd Control. Can't really say too much beyond that, as I haven't used it in quite a while.



* Arc Projector - Minor charge, damages and stuns multiple enemies, and can decimate an entire swarm of Husks in a couple of shots. A great weapon.



My best choice would probably be the Arc Projector for it's sheer usefulness, and worst would be the Missile Launcher for being so underwhelming.

[ryoldschool]

swk3000 wrote...

* Collector Particle Beam - A very nice idea, but getting any sort of constant damage requires you to stay out of cover for extended periods of time. On Insanity, this is generally regarded as a Bad Idea.

The collector particle beam is so worthless that I didn't even pick it up on my latest playthrough on Horizon ( you get two places to pick it up ) - But when I ended up on the Normandy it was equiped and in the inventory. If you skip the vindicator on Garrus mission you don't automatically get the vindicator.   So somebody at Bioware likes it.

[mcsupersport]

I always took the Missile launcher on Garrius's recruitment mission, until I figured out the grenade launcher actually kills the Gunship faster and also has some tracking in the shells. Since then, it stays on the ship and I never use it.



To me the missile launcher is bad, the CPB is bad, the Avalanche is bad(maybe I don't know how to use it, but I hate it), don't have the Blackstorm.



But the worst in my mind is the Firestorm extremely short range, almost no damage, and little effect against enemies.



Good are Arc Projector, and Grenade launcher, both get situational use depending on mission.



Best is CAIN, just fun to use, and kills what you shoot(and everything around it too). I don't use heavy weapons much, game isn't hard enough to really need it, so I like things to finish off hard fights all at once(or greatly shorten them), and the Cain does this for me. Damaged Reaper Core-on shot, Praetorians(dead or on insanity half dead), Thresher maw, the stuck guy behind a door that can't get out to continue the game, and many others, it just works for me.

[mass effect samurai]

How do you use the Cain?  I'm guessing that I have to charge it to 100% but I've no clue how to do that.

[swk3000]

The Cain requires 100% of a charge to fire. You get more charge by picking up more Heavy Weapon Ammo. This generally means you can get off 1 shot before you have to start scavenging for more ammo. A dedicated user can get 2 shots, but this requires taking the Paragon path in Zaeed's Loyalty Mission, and also having the Ordinance Pack leggings (+10% Heavy Weapon Ammo) or another piece of armor that has a similar boost.

[All-a-Mort]

Hmm, never got on with the grenade launcher myself. How are you guys using it? I miss with that thing worse than with the flashbang.

[Valentyna]

The Praetorian is a sentimental favorite for the ability to just decide that dammit, I don't feel like bothering with this fight this time and watching the Praetorian, or Ymir Mech or 60-bajilion husks go up in a big satisfying mushroom cloud.



From a practical perspective, the electric gun you get from the DLC (I swear I hate myself but I can't recall the name) is the one I carry for 99% of the game for its ability to damage and CC a huge area of effect indefinitely. The only things in teh game I ever really had trouble with were Ymir's, which I use it to stun lock as I pummel them down to red health, and endless waves of Husks/Scions (where it strips armor from all of them instantly so I can make with the insularity/Mass Pull). Praetorians are annoying, but I find them tedious rather than hard.



The least use is the avalanche, to me, not question.



I also never foudn the Collector Particle Beam did noticeably more damage than just shooting whatever I had it pointed at with good old-fashioned bullets from my Locust or Mattock. Maybe its better on difficulties bellow insanity? *le shrug*

[Miss Yuna of Atlanta]

The Collector Particle Beam would be my choice for worst heavy weapon(except the Firestorm maybe). The damage is just too inconsistent.

[jwalker]

Never used firestorm tbh.

And the Collector particle beam just a few times. It doesnt seem to do a lot a damage, no CC associated, and the worst part is you have to be out of cover the whole time.



I just stick with the Arc projector or the Cain (just a couple of occasions, husk rush in the 2nd section of SM, terminator.... )

[Katamariguy]

Cain. Die you motha****a praetorian!!



Arc Projector works wonders against infantry and synthetics.

[kstarler]

Until recently, I've mostly just strapped the Cain to my back and ignored other heavy weapons with the thought that, if I don't need to use the Cain to make a fight easy, then I don't need to use any heavy weapon to do so. However, lately I have been using the Avalanche quite a bit, as the cryo effect lasts a REALLY long time. For instance, I use it during the final battle in Grunt's recruitment mission, and it usually keeps the first Krogan clone frozen until I've dealt with the YMIR Mech, which greatly simplifies the fight. Also, it's great against tight groups of shielded enemies. I'm thinking primarily of the LotSB parking lot fight, but other battles apply as well.

Of course, I can't say any of this without throwing a thanks out to Bozorgmehr for pointing out the usefulness of the Avalanche.

[Miss Yuna of Atlanta]

The Avalanche is definitely really killer, but I still prefer the Cain overall. Avalanche/Cain/M-100/Arc Projector seem like the best heavy weapons.

[Ahglock]

I don't care for the avalanche really. Sure it is quick shooting so it can dish out massive anti armor/shield effects. But the arc projector does just as much as damage to shields and armor, hits a whole crap ton of people and freezes them long enough to keep shooting. For me every time I use the avalanche I shoot a bunch, blow through crap tons of ammo and blow away a heavy targets shields. I do not need to use it on anything else and it is really only what tripling my damage from my weapon fire. Cool sure, but the arc projector does something it doesn't, stun down all the mooks surrounding the heavy, then takes them out in the next shot.



So for me against big targets the cain is the best, after that the arc projector since it handles that target and deals with the mooks better than the other weapons with its chaining abilities. If I played a more mobile out of cover aggressive style the quick shooting capabilities without a charge up time feature of the avalanche would make it awesome. But I don't. so that feature while cool does not help me that often.

[kstarler]

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

You use the Avalanche wrong. It is an exceptional defences stripper. Empty a few shots into the YMIR and it's defences are gone and frozen, aka gone. Then you can get the Krogans easily one by one. Remember it's name Avalanche, not Snowflakes. You are meant to unleash it, not toss mere snowballs around.. Nothing as satisfying (Save the Cain of course) as to empty the whole magazine into enemy ranks, let the smoke clear away and then see ... nothing!

I didn't say i don't use it against the YMIR as well. I use it against both in that mission, but I find it is far quicker to freeze the Krogan and not deal with him taking out my idiotic teammates (who like to let themselves get flanked), and then strip the defenses from the YMIR. If you focus on the YMIR first, you can get caught in some nasty crossfire of rockets, shotgun spray, and machine gunnery.

Modifié par kstarler, 21 novembre 2010 - 07:19 .

[incinerator950]

Arc Projector is a must. Cain is a definite. I don't really use the other weapons seriously.



That said, I assume the Rocket Launcher and Grenade Launcher to be the least useful. I've found uses for the Flame Thrower, even on Insanity with my Sentinel or Vanguard.



I've never bothered with the Avalanche, but I used to try the blackstorm from time to time. With the Arc Projector, there is really no need to use that gun.

[LeonBrass]

My heavy weapon of choice was the grenade launcher because it worked against nearly all bad guys, and goes where I aim it without leaving myself exposed too long. its not got a lot of punch, but I found it fit my style better than anything...but...



Then I got the Arc Projector... now I never leave home without it.



I have tried all the others (except Blackstorm, don't have that) and they range from situational to totally useless.

The Cain? -- I appreciate what it is capable of doing ONCE, if I don't kill myself with it...

Note that this is a play style and role play choice... not a rant on the Cains ability. That mushroom cloud animation is jaw dropping and loads of fun, just does not fit with what I like.

Flame thrower and rocket launcher are tied for last place. I use the flamethrower for the two mercs in the next room after I pick it up on Zaed's mission, then promptly hit the armory and forget about it for reasons others have stated.

Rocket launcher - I hate my targeting choice being second guessed by the so-called "smart round tech". I want to hit where I am aiming.



Collector particle beam - use it because it has good kill capabilites on most collectors except the flying laser- eyed beetle, so long as I fire it in short precision bursts instead of like a fire hose. (think star wars blaster style bursts)



Avalanche - I was going to say it is not very good, but the comments above indicate I need to try it again and learn its tricks before blowing it off (I sense another play thru coming on).



But it is just soooo much fun watching Krogan "dance" to the Arc Projectors electrical tune. lol

[Kurt M.]

LeonBrass wrote...

Avalanche - I was going to say it is not very good, but the comments above indicate I need to try it again and learn its tricks before blowing it off (I sense another play thru coming on).

After watching some Avalanche vids (and mistakenly thinking it wasn't a very good weapon), I can reasonably say that each HW has it's ups and downs, and you can't totally say "THIS WEAPON IS THE BEST" or that "IT'S CRAP".

In any way, my choices are still Cain and Arc Projector, with a bit of Grenade launcher.