to add, that scene was very clearly edited down. when you go talk to mordin that cinematic is choppy and noticeably edited. so chances are there was more to it that got removed.
Where did Mordin get a seeker insect?
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#27
Posté 22 février 2010 - 03:26
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Wilson's betrayal was clearly answered. Go back and listen to his audio logs in the prologue mission. He's awestruck by how much money is being thrown into the Lazurus Project, but "wishes some of it would get passed his way". He also feels under-appreciated by Miranda, calling her an "ice queen" or something in another audio log. He was paid to do it. He expresses surprise at Shepard's appearance - not in the Jacob fashion of "hey, you're up and about? This must be serious!". More in the vein of someone who was expecting you to be dead already.
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Posté 22 février 2010 - 03:27
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kraidy1117 wrote...
MaaZeus wrote...
kraidy1117 wrote...
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I wouldnt mind a DLC where this gets patched as this confuses a lot of people. hint hint Bioware?
How does it confuse people? There is many ways mordin could have got one, not confusing, it's a plot hole but it's not confusing. I think Cerberus just gave him a box of Seeker swarm bugs
"Billy Mays here with a fantastic new product! ...a box of seeker swarms for only 99.95 credits". Makes sense to me. Easy to just buy one.
That could be closer to the truth then you think.... anyways Shepard and Jacob tell Mordin they have samples, plus the data from Veetor and the fact that the seeker swarms are robotic. Mordin most likely made it since he is one of the most smartest person in the galaxey.
Yeah, but IIRC it was said that Veetors data didnt really bring anything new. And Mordin building one doesnt make sense if you think about it. How come the one he builds is exactly like the ones Collectors use, and they can be repelled with same tech as the one Mordin built? Though Mordin did say that its only prototype, you practically field test it in Horizon. But still it doesnt make sense.
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Posté 22 février 2010 - 03:30
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Wilson was just a greedy and lusty bastard. Wanted money and Miranda. It's kinda personal.
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Posté 22 février 2010 - 03:32
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MaaZeus wrote...
kraidy1117 wrote...
MaaZeus wrote...
kraidy1117 wrote...
MaaZeus wrote...
I wouldnt mind a DLC where this gets patched as this confuses a lot of people. hint hint Bioware?
How does it confuse people? There is many ways mordin could have got one, not confusing, it's a plot hole but it's not confusing. I think Cerberus just gave him a box of Seeker swarm bugs
"Billy Mays here with a fantastic new product! ...a box of seeker swarms for only 99.95 credits". Makes sense to me. Easy to just buy one.
That could be closer to the truth then you think.... anyways Shepard and Jacob tell Mordin they have samples, plus the data from Veetor and the fact that the seeker swarms are robotic. Mordin most likely made it since he is one of the most smartest person in the galaxey.
Yeah, but IIRC it was said that Veetors data didnt really bring anything new. And Mordin building one doesnt make sense if you think about it. How come the one he builds is exactly like the ones Collectors use, and they can be repelled with same tech as the one Mordin built? Though Mordin did say that its only prototype, you practically field test it in Horizon. But still it doesnt make sense.
You beleived TIM? Veetor tells us he "studdied" the creatures and the point that Shepard has samples proves that Mordin either made it or he got a box of them as a gift.
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Posté 22 février 2010 - 03:34
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Yeah, but IIRC it was said that Veetors data didnt really bring anything new. And Mordin building one doesnt make sense if you think about it. How come the one he builds is exactly like the ones Collectors use, and they can be repelled with same tech as the one Mordin built? Though Mordin did say that its only prototype, you practically field test it in Horizon. But still it doesnt make sense.
You beleived TIM? Veetor tells us he "studdied" the creatures and the point that Shepard has samples proves that Mordin either made it or he got a box of them as a gift.
I guess I have missed the Veetor studying the Swarms.
Time to start my 5th playthrough.
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Posté 22 février 2010 - 03:36
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Just because you don't understand it, does not make it a plothole......
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Posté 22 février 2010 - 03:39
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Shepard says that they have aquired samples from their mssion on Horizon when you first get Mordin onboard. 
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Posté 22 février 2010 - 03:41
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MaaZeus wrote...
Yeah, but IIRC it was said that Veetors data didnt really bring anything new. And Mordin building one doesnt make sense if you think about it. How come the one he builds is exactly like the ones Collectors use, and they can be repelled with same tech as the one Mordin built? Though Mordin did say that its only prototype, you practically field test it in Horizon. But still it doesnt make sense.
Nope, he said that info provided after Veetor's debriefing was not new, in comparison to what was taken from his omni-tool. He said that he had studied them in the cut scene, that info was given to Cerberus and Mordin used it to create a sample and protection.
At least, that was my take on it.
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Posté 22 février 2010 - 03:43
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The thing about ME2 is unlike ME where all the information was given to you, you need to pay attention to the conversation, logs and recordings. The only true plothole is that people like Miranda can run around with a mask in space.....
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Posté 22 février 2010 - 03:46
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No.. I think it is a plot hole... it could have been solved with one line of dialog or a seeker in the cage during the conversations with Mordin. But you really have to stretch to determine how he made one well enough to know exactly how they targeted you.
So, either plot hole or bad story telling.
So, either plot hole or bad story telling.
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Posté 22 février 2010 - 03:49
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i assumed he reconstructed it from scratch from Veetor's omni-tool data and the limited info already possessed by Cerberus on the collectors. Seemed like that might be a reason he wasn't sure the counter-measure would work. It must be tested against "actual" seeker swarms
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Posté 22 février 2010 - 03:51
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Jeremy Winston wrote...
No.. I think it is a plot hole... it could have been solved with one line of dialog or a seeker in the cage during the conversations with Mordin. But you really have to stretch to determine how he made one well enough to know exactly how they targeted you.
So, either plot hole or bad story telling.
When Mordin is on the ship for the first time, Shepard tells him THEY have samples! What more information do you need. The point that he has samples, there Veetors information from his omi tool and the Seeker bugs are robots Mordin making them logical and not a plothole.
Plothole means something that was not explained well or not at all. There is strong evidence that proves Mordin made it or it was given to him from Cerberus. TIM already knew it was the Collectors anyways. It's not a plothole, it's not bad writing.
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Posté 22 février 2010 - 04:04
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to be fair to the OP and people who have a problem with this. Other characters do say quite a bit in the beginning that the collectors "leave nothing behind." Having said that i still don't think it is a plot hole because of of veetor's data as i said above.
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Posté 22 février 2010 - 04:06
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Something I wondered too. I assumed Cerberus acquired one somehow and sent it to the ship.
Yeah that was the only thing I could figure. I mean they must have had stuff for him to work on before they had you go recruit him.
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Posté 22 février 2010 - 04:09
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He must have gotten the little insect from freedoms progress?
If that was the first colony you go to.
If that was the first colony you go to.
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Posté 22 février 2010 - 04:57
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There are other colonies being hit around the time of the game going by Normandy crew member conversations. At some point before the Seeker bug is introduced in Mordin's lab, someone (don't remember who--EDI, Miranda or TIM) mentions giving Mordin "recovered samples" or some such. I assume it got sent to the Normandy from the other attacks.
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Posté 22 février 2010 - 05:03
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I think it came from the info you get from Veetor. That makes the most sense. Cloning is possible in the ME universe, and that data came from someone that lived during a collector invasion.
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Posté 22 février 2010 - 05:03
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Logically, Mordin would have been studying the Quarian suits to explain why one of them escaped the seeker insects. However, the writers probably thought just showing Mordin studying one of the bugs would move the story along quicker.
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Posté 22 février 2010 - 05:04
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he got from freedom's progress thats why you needed mordin
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kraidy1117 wrote...
FataliTensei wrote...
Just because you don't understand it, does not make it a plothole......
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Posté 22 février 2010 - 05:36
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MaaZeus wrote...
I wouldnt mind a DLC where this gets patched as this confuses a lot of people. hint hint Bioware?
Ugh......It's another "Hey that looks like a plothole, how about a DLC"
stupid stupid posts
Do you people need everything spelled out for you in movies too?
Mordin created it using the information aquired from Veetor.
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Posté 22 février 2010 - 05:48
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"Not explained well." Fits nicely.kraidy1117 wrote...
Jeremy Winston wrote...
No.. I think it is a plot hole... it could have been solved with one line of dialog or a seeker in the cage during the conversations with Mordin. But you really have to stretch to determine how he made one well enough to know exactly how they targeted you.
So, either plot hole or bad story telling.
When Mordin is on the ship for the first time, Shepard tells him THEY have samples! What more information do you need. The point that he has samples, there Veetors information from his omi tool and the Seeker bugs are robots Mordin making them logical and not a plothole.
Plothole means something that was not explained well or not at all. There is strong evidence that proves Mordin made it or it was given to him from Cerberus. TIM already knew it was the Collectors anyways. It's not a plothole, it's not bad writing.
If any one has a convenient save at this point, I'd like to see the quote involving "Samples."
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Posté 22 février 2010 - 05:53
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Jeremy Winston wrote...
"Not explained well." Fits nicely.kraidy1117 wrote...
Jeremy Winston wrote...
No.. I think it is a plot hole... it could have been solved with one line of dialog or a seeker in the cage during the conversations with Mordin. But you really have to stretch to determine how he made one well enough to know exactly how they targeted you.
So, either plot hole or bad story telling.
When Mordin is on the ship for the first time, Shepard tells him THEY have samples! What more information do you need. The point that he has samples, there Veetors information from his omi tool and the Seeker bugs are robots Mordin making them logical and not a plothole.
Plothole means something that was not explained well or not at all. There is strong evidence that proves Mordin made it or it was given to him from Cerberus. TIM already knew it was the Collectors anyways. It's not a plothole, it's not bad writing.
If any one has a convenient save at this point, I'd like to see the quote involving "Samples."
Recruit Mordin, Jacob and Shepard tell him they have samples and TIM even says that they need Mordin to do reserch on the Collectors. That implies that Cerberus has stuff like the seeker bug. It's not a plothole, I don't want to sound rude but you are acting like some of these morons on this board.
"WHAHAHA I don't understand the story so it's filled with plotholes!" There is only a few plotholes and they are minor.
