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[A_Nyghts_Tale]

To Loghain, well his arrogance was his undoing. That and his choice of lackeys..Howe was an idiot. I'm surprised they didnt come up with a subplot, to have Howe turn on Loghain. He just seems like the kinda of guy that would screw you over after you've helped him get to where he needed to be.

[Wowlock]

I want to see his Orlesian hate against Orlesian Warden



Now that would be great . Landsmeet V2.

[Dokarqt]

My first playthrough (about 15-20 playthroughs ago now:P) I chopped his head off at the Landsmeet with glee almost and didn't feel sorry for Anora in the slightest (she "betrayed" me at the landsmeet).



However when I had played with loghain in the party and when I got a bigger perspective of the story and his motivations (you tend to miss alot of things on your first playthrough) I really like his character. Dont get me wrong, I still feel some of the things he did was pretty much unforgiveable.

But he's a really well written character and quite likeable in a certain way "once you get to know him".

As for the whole slaughter of the Couslands thing, I thought it was pretty obvious that Howe was acting alone and completely without Loghains blessing or approval. Loghain still finds out what Howe has done at ostagar though and keeps him around and even gives him the Teyrnir of Highever. But I never got the feeling that he knew about it beforehand, that was all Howes doing.

[MutantSpleen]

My first play through I sparred Loghain and made Alistair marry Anora. So Anora is queen and loves me, Alistair is king but hates me. The creepy part was when I talked Loghain into sleeping with Morrigan. Loghain is a Grey Warden and my Warden recruiter. So he should be with me at Amaranthine. I must be a master manipulator to pull all that off.

[Les Polar]

First to fourth play through,I let Alistair kill Loghain(I can not trust the bastard and I'm positive that other characters could do the recruiting in Awakening).And I drilled Morrigan so in the future expansion,may be the story between the PC and offspring will have more substance....

[Ken555]

A_Nyghts_Tale wrote...

To Loghain, well his arrogance was his undoing. That and his choice of lackeys..Howe was an idiot. I'm surprised they didnt come up with a subplot, to have Howe turn on Loghain. He just seems like the kinda of guy that would screw you over after you've helped him get to where he needed to be.

Yeah, but you don't know truly what hes like until he kills you family (Human Noble Origin)

[shedevil3001]

i hated loghain in every play through, and after reading the end bit of the stolen throne, i stand by the fact that he is a manipulative, power hungry creep, with no consideration for others as long as he gets what he wants. He decieves everyone who stands in his way, first maric then cailan and if he lived in anyones playthrough well in future expansions dont be suprised if he decieves your warden too.

[L33tuberpwner]

I want to see Broghain again, since he is my father-in-law, and while Broghains actions made

my life hell trying to save Ferelden his reasons were sound.



I had Broghain every game, in my non Cousland games Wahlistair married Anora.



Wahlistair made Carth look like Rambo.

[shedevil3001]

alistair is not very whiny if you harden him on his personal quest and if you level him up right he's an awesome tank he's saved my warden so many times its unbelieveable

[Ceridraen]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I proudly consider myself to be the number 1 Loghain fan. But I would never make him king. My PC is king.
 
And Alistair's head is rotting on a pike

You're not a king. You're Anora's consort - aka, 'boy toy.'

[Ceridraen]

If there had been a way to redeem Loghain & get his after-joining dialogue, maybe. From what I read, they're really good. He loved his dog. That's a positive. It doesn't really negate wiping out & betraying your king & soldiers, nor accusing 2 young wardens of something they didn't do - but hey, it's nice for the dog. And he loved his daughter - you know, maybe, assuming she does what he wants all the time. (he's not controlling or anything...) Maybe he was peevish that Eamon is trying to make Cailan dump Anora & hook up with the Orlesian empress. (ignoring that Cailan has resisted all calls to dump her thus far)



But no, he's not heroic in any way, not in my view. His 'strength' is just that of a weak & cowardly man. I'll be quite happy knowing his head rolled across the floor.

[Ceridraen]

Dokarqt wrote...


As for the whole slaughter of the Couslands thing, I thought it was pretty obvious that Howe was acting alone and completely without Loghains blessing or approval. Loghain still finds out what Howe has done at ostagar though and keeps him around and even gives him the Teyrnir of Highever. But I never got the feeling that he knew about it beforehand, that was all Howes doing.

I don't see how he couldn't know. It seemed pretty strongly indicted that the reason Howe felt free to take over Highever was knowing what was coming, & that Loghain would support him.  It also seemed quite clear that Loghain himself needed the Cousland family gone, because of their history as strong rebels, & as the most powerful family able to stand against him when he made his move for the throne. I don't get all this sugar-coating after the fact. He did it. He's bad.  He had his reasons, but making him a heroic just seems weedy.

[shedevil3001]

i agree loghain had to of known about the couslands and arl howes treachery also loghain at the landsmeet shows how power driven he is and afterwards if you spare his life he shows no sign of regret just that he may of made some mistakes but what is done is done after all the bad choices he has made i guess he knew nothing he said could make up for his actions and just decided to accept that. In my eyes that makes him a villain, lets face it if someone rewarded the man who killed your family or sold your people to slavery in real life theres no way you would ever forgive them or just let them live.

[LadyDamodred]

As I've said before, my personal theory is that Howe was supposed to delay Bryce. I just think he took advantage of the situation to further himself. Had his plan worked, as in he killed your HN character, he would have been able to tell Cailan that Bryce was a traitor. As it was, when Cailan died, Loghain simply used Howe. He needed support from the nobles and someone to work the politics. While Howe was not the greatest choice, he would be loyal to Loghain for Loghain letting him get away with what he did. It also benefitted Loghain to have Howe as a Teyrn, instead of someone who was well liked by the people and a known GW supporter. For all of Loghain's crimes, at the time of the origin story, I don't think he was so far gone that he would have arranged for the slaughter of an entire noble house.

[shedevil3001]

i think he would of, i mean look what he did to maric at the end of the stolen throne and they were supposed to be friends i wouldnt put anything past loghain

[KnightofPhoenix]

Yes, let's all ignore what the writer said about the issue, because clearly we know more about the character than he does.

Howe doesn't need Loghain to do what he did. Loghain doesn't need to eliminate the Couslands, seeing how they are as anti-Orlesian as the next Fereldan. So the theory that Loghain and Howe conspired to eliminate the Couslands is speculation and not fact. And it's a theory that David Gaider refuted. End of story.

[spottyblanket]

Longain, rawer.

[L33tuberpwner]

Hehe, I don't mind being Anora's ''boy toy''.<3

She is only the attractive character who has a big role.
Her beauty and intelligence is only matched by her cold, ruthless personality.

Morrigan looks good but her personality and uncultured mind are major turn-offs.
The defrosting ice-queen is boring and cliché.

Anora is the real deal.

She is her father's daughter.

Modifié par L33tuberpwner, 10 mars 2010 - 04:00 .

[shedevil3001]

well nothing anyone says to me will change my poinion of loghain (kop) i'm sorry but books can be interpreted differently by the reader every person will have their own opinion on that and for me personaly loghain was wrong in most of his choices which i'm entitled to my opinion just as you are entitled to yours i guess its a case of agree to dissagree on this subject as i could never except the fact that loghain wasnt aware of what howe did and the fact with the slaves loghain was personaly responsible for that and mean as in some contries there are still problems with slavery nothing justifies that as for the issue in the stolen throne well i stand by my comment earlier on that 1 but like i said thats how i see it

[spottyblanket]

Anora doesn't look anything like Longain though does she?

[L33tuberpwner]

Hoho, Loghain is old and weathered



I'm sure he was quite strapping when he was young.

[Bratt1204]

Not I. He's dead in my story.

[MutantSpleen]

The only reason my first character let him live was that she was a mage and had no personal stake, other than the Warden thing. But still thought I could work it out so everyone was happy. Did not know Alistair would totally freak out on me the way he did. I wasn't currently romancing him so nothing was lost there, I was with Leliana. I was hoping that by sparing Loghain, I could make Alistair and Anora work out for the best maybe develop into love since I had to reject Alistair for Leliana. Also since Anora pleaded with me to spare her father, I figured the marriage would never work if Alistair or I killed Loghain. (Remember first play didn't know any spoilers)

Then I made him a Grey warden because I figured if one of us has to sacrifice, better him than me, didn't know about Morrigan's offer until later. Then I had to convince Loghain to sleep with her and since I didn't like Morrigan that was just sheer curiosity to see if I could do it.  So all in all my play turned out ok that way. No one died, Alistair became King and he and Anora made a good match for ruling Ferelden. Only thing lost was my friendship with Alistair.

Now my second play is a dwarf noble who is currently in love with Alistair. Heads will be rolling. 

Modifié par MutantSpleen, 10 mars 2010 - 04:19 .

[spottyblanket]

Longain is still strapping. In an odd kinda way. I don't feel my character had enough time to build a friensship with him in game. So it'll be nice to see that extended.

[Noir201]

I too find it hard to belive that Loghain was unaware of the attack and death of the Cousland family, my understanding (correct me if i'm wrong) is the Cousland family was one of the most powerfully familys outside of the king, and also friends of the royal family.

Ofc with the events of ostergar and the coming blight, it wasn't touch on till the end, had say Loghain kept his seat of power, how would he explain the fact he was inleague with the house that led the attack, Arl Howe, and not have any political setbacks.

The poisoning of Arl Eamon would be easy to pin blame on a rogue blood mage, but the Queen and the royal line in ferelden would look weak and corrupt, had Loghain plan followed it's course.