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[goofygoff]

L33tuberpwner wrote...

Hoho, Loghain is old and weathered

I'm sure he was quite strapping when he was young.

'Was'?  I would've taken him over Alistair or Zevran in a heartbeat, had he been romance-able. 

I mean, why not?  He's a widower, which should've made him a prime LI candidate for females, given BioWare's history. 

[Kohaku]

spottyblanket wrote...

Longain is still strapping. In an odd kinda way. I don't feel my character had enough time to build a friensship with him in game. So it'll be nice to see that extended.

He is quite a handsome bloke even now. Ah Loghain.

[Morroian]

spottyblanket wrote...

Longain is still strapping. In an odd kinda way. I don't feel my character had enough time to build a friensship with him in game. So it'll be nice to see that extended.

Unless its been stated somewhere recently I still don't see how Loghain can be anything more than a cameo, since he would have been killed in a large proportion of play throughs of DAO.

[goofygoff]

I think it's already been established that Loghain, Alistair and Wynne will all be limited to cameos. Which makes me sad panda because I have a feeling that Loghain will probably be lukewarm and all srs bizness towards you since I doubt they'll be taking your ending approval with him into account. And I'm guessing that most people who spared him either had very high or very low approval at the end of the game, so we'll get the middle ground.

[Addai]

I might be the only one who liked Loghain even less after reading the novels. It only made me realize that he hadn't really changed much, just devolved in his ongoing obsession over the Orlesians. Now book Maric, I liked even more than Alistair. Sometimes I get the idea that my HNFs romance Alistair because their player is enamored of his father. LOL

[Vicious]

The Warden was the Loghain to Alistair's Maric. When I realized that it got pretty hard to hate Loghain.

[Addai]

Vicious wrote...

The Warden was the Loghain to Alistair's Maric. When I realized that it got pretty hard to hate Loghain.

If my PC ever betrays Alistair, deserts the battlefield and embarks on a campaign of political murder, torture and intimidation, I hope someone intercedes and executes her, too.

[goofygoff]

Vicious wrote...

The Warden was the Loghain to Alistair's Maric. When I realized that it got pretty hard to hate Loghain.

I like that. 

Even in-game, I feel that my Warden and Loghain have more in common with each other than they realize.  Especially when a romanced Alistair marries Anora in a fem!PC game.

[Count Viceroy]

Loghain is a very interesting character. I agree with his actions for the most part. I also don't like Alistair one bit when he starts whining and throwing ultimatums around all of a sudden. I have a few playthroughs where Alistair is alive, for roleplayings sake. But on a whole I prefer loghain to the crybaby and can't wait to see how it pans out in the exp.

[Addai]

Thinking about it, I realize that the reason I liked Loghain even less after reading the novels is that it underscores how terrible his betrayal of Maric's son is. And how almost inconceivable it is that he betray *Rowan's* son.

So, long story short, Loghain is fertilizer in my Awakening games.

Modifié par Addai67, 12 mars 2010 - 02:09 .

[MelodicCure]

Loghain is dead in my realm. Aliaster slit his throat.

Modifié par MelodicCure, 12 mars 2010 - 02:15 .

[Havokk7]

Loghain won't be appearing in my run through Awakenings. Well, unless there is a new mage specialisation called "necromancy".

I didn't even get a choice to save him - Alistair killed him without giving me any choice to stop him. Not that I would have, given such a choice.



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[Feraele]

errant_knight wrote...

I wish I could travel with Loghain on one playthrough. I'm sure it's very interesting and well written. I'll never be able to do that to Alistair, though.

Well it is possible to allow both Loghain and Alistair to live..but it means getting Alistair peed off at you..and he then marries Anora.     I did this recently because I wanted an occasion or two in Awakening where Loghain actually lived, just to see what happens next.

[sylvanaerie]

Loghain's only role in any of my Awakenings games will be as worm food. He has never made it out of the Landsmeet in over a dozen playthroughs. However if Zombie Loghain was someone I could kill...maybe again and again as that one villian in FF10 was I guess he could fill that role.

[Altima Darkspells]

I sure am looking forward to more Loghain!



...so I can kill him again.



...then trap a Fade spirit, like the Sloth, in his corpse...



...then kill that!...



...then kill Anora...



...then trap the Pride demon in her body...



...then make Zombie Loghain and Zombie Anora duel to the re-death...



...then kill the winner! ...again?

[Laurento]

Ah Loghain a great character one you either love or hate, an awesome villain, right up there with Jon Irenicus IMO. Personally I feel he gets the short end of the stick a bit too much. A few things we got to remember:



- The Warden and Alistair missed the signal at Ostagar, the window of opportunity had passed, any charge by Loghain's men would of been potential suicide better to pull back his troops and regroup. This is even confirmed by Calien's guard in RTO.



-Calien is an idiot, let's face it, he comes across as a glory hunting fool, an extremely vain man who lives in dreams and is obcessed with becoming a legend, he does not instead "attend to reality" as Loghain would say.



-His suspicions of the Orlesians is somewhat vindicated in RTO, if Calien and Celene were really planning to marry, Feldern would be screwed, the Orlesian Empire, the most powerful in Thedas "merging" with a small backwater nation like Ferelden? which nation would be the dominant in this relationship? Imagine those Chevaliers coming over like they own the place...



I don't always keep him alive but he's still around in at least 2 of my profiles one where he is my farther-in-law actually!

[Lara Denton]

This:

sylvanaerie wrote...

Loghain's only role in any of my Awakenings games will be as worm food. He has never made it out of the Landsmeet in over a dozen playthroughs. However if Zombie Loghain was someone I could kill...

QFT

[dbkkk]

Laurento wrote...

Ah Loghain a great character one you either love or hate, an awesome villain, right up there with Jon Irenicus IMO. Personally I feel he gets the short end of the stick a bit too much. A few things we got to remember:

- The Warden and Alistair missed the signal at Ostagar, the window of opportunity had passed, any charge by Loghain's men would of been potential suicide better to pull back his troops and regroup. This is even confirmed by Calien's guard in RTO.
...

That logic is all fine and dandy. But make no bones about it Loghain clealry planned to betray Cailan before the battle. Look who offered to light the signal with magecraft before he got vetoed by the Grand Cleric. Uldred. I bet Uldred was already on the 'payroll' by that time. It is pretty clear Loghain set up the tactics of the battle and maneuvered events so that the King would be overwhelmed. He just never expected the tower signal would ev0er light

But the rest of your analysis I think is spot on. Good stuff

[spottyblanket]

I don't always keep him alive but he's still around in at least 2 of my profiles one where he is my farther-in-law actually!

Q: Can you, as a male human noble--marry Anora then?

[Kail Ashton]

Loghain is an interesting charecter for me, i rarely ever find myself so split on someone, i never know what to make of him, on the one hand i understand his actions but on the other it killed so many and pretty much screwed over my charecter


More so if Loghain played a hand in the Cousland masacre, as it was a very revered family (and the farther was said to be a better choice for king)  if he went so far to attempt to kill Eamon as well....still easily the most moraley grey person in the game, so i'd definetly like to see post origins Loghain and what his views are now

Though i was suprised to see him or Wynne make'n any kind of cameo in awakening

Modifié par Kail Ashton, 14 mars 2010 - 11:19 .

[Dokarqt]

spottyblanket wrote...


I don't always keep him alive but he's still around in at least 2 of my profiles one where he is my farther-in-law actually!

Q: Can you, as a male human noble--marry Anora then?

The character im playing through awakening first is king and married to anora and loghain is his father-in-law. So yes.

[Khayness]

spottyblanket wrote...


I don't always keep him alive but he's still around in at least 2 of my profiles one where he is my farther-in-law actually!

Q: Can you, as a male human noble--marry Anora then?

Hell yea.
Can't wait for daddy's cameo

[Default137]

dbkkk wrote...

Laurento wrote...

Ah Loghain a great character one you either love or hate, an awesome villain, right up there with Jon Irenicus IMO. Personally I feel he gets the short end of the stick a bit too much. A few things we got to remember:

- The Warden and Alistair missed the signal at Ostagar, the window of opportunity had passed, any charge by Loghain's men would of been potential suicide better to pull back his troops and regroup. This is even confirmed by Calien's guard in RTO.
...

That logic is all fine and dandy. But make no bones about it Loghain clealry planned to betray Cailan before the battle. Look who offered to light the signal with magecraft before he got vetoed by the Grand Cleric. Uldred. I bet Uldred was already on the 'payroll' by that time. It is pretty clear Loghain set up the tactics of the battle and maneuvered events so that the King would be overwhelmed. He just never expected the tower signal would ev0er light

But the rest of your analysis I think is spot on. Good stuff

Its been said many times, both in game, and out of game that Loghain did not plan the Mage Tower, had nothing to do with the Mage Tower, and did not plan to kill Cailan on the way to Ostagar. These are not idle thought patterns, they are things that are confirmed in game multiple times before you even meet the man, and have also been confirmed by David Gaider himself. Ostagar was a flop due to poor planning since nobody thought it was a Blight, and Loghain deciding to save the remains of Fereldens Military over his King, nothing more.

Honestly, if I wasn't sick and tired of having to repeat the stuff thats been pointed out in game, on the forums, and confirmed by Gaider himself concerning Loghains actions over and over again because people don't seem to like reading it, I would tell you more about what exactly happened with Eamon, and how the Alienage might not fully have been Loghain behind it either, but honestly? I don't really want to have to argue with emotional people over factual evidence in a game, and confirmation from writers anymore, it just makes me hate the human race.

As for Alistair and Loghain, you can convince Anora to spare him, and he actually says he will go adventuring with you again during the Epilogue? What exactly do you have to do to pull this off, I want both men to survive, as much as I like Loghain, I always hate having to kill Alistair, and I don't really want him on the throne, what do I need to do to make it so he comes back afterwards? I assume from the way that was worded you could pull it off if you save Loghain, put Anora on the throne, then convince her to let Alistair live? I thought that just causes him to storm off however.

Modifié par Default137, 14 mars 2010 - 11:32 .