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[Seifz]

Seraphael wrote...

Sloth Of Doom wrote...

Kalcalan wrote...

Sloth Of Doom wrote...

Personally, I blame the French.

Nice, but we do pay the same amount as our German friends.

Yes, but it is all your fault.  You see, the 20th century was all about 'the German problem' so I figure the 21st has to be about someone else, so I am arbitrarily picking the French, for no reason at all.

I suspect you're closer to the truth than you think. Europeans get localized version in Czechia, France, Germany, Italy, Poland, Russia and Spain. That's a lot of voice acting and translation costs right there. Problem is that Europeans in other countries/regions, like the UK and the Scandinavian countries have to bear the economic burden of such work without getting the benefit of a translated version.

And I would totally feel bad for the Brits if they didn't charge me $20 for a good burger, fries, and 200ml of Coke at that fantastic little place on Kings Road in London.  The exchange rate was 2:1 when I was last there!  I can't believe how low it is now.

[Mavkiel]

GODzilla_GSPB wrote...

No I'm not going to start another topic about the european Collectors Edition being so much more expensive (in Germany) in comparison to other countries. I know that EA has it's own business location in Europe, thus producing the CE here and therefore can demand whatever price they want. It's a local problem.

But what about the DLCs? The DLCs have only one origin: The website of EA and Bioware. This website is a worldwide website, there are no differences in what Bioware / EA have to pay in order to run the website, so normally one should expect the DLCs to be priced the same worldwide.

THEY ARE NOT!

Why? These DLCs don't have to be imported, there is no shipping-price, no tax, because there is no borders in the Internet! On the contrary, it is very likely that I have to pay an extra fee using my credit card to pay on a foreign bank account when I buy these points.

I think its wrong to assume the price should be the same everywhere.

Why? How many countries does europe contain? Do each have their own laws pertaining to content? Heck, just hiring lawyers to make sure selling your product is legal probably justifies the price increase. Or am I mistaken and the EU cover internet transactions?

Heck another example would be austriala, just hiring people to deal with their gaming boards would be a bloody nightmare.

[Frostaxt]

Well I am German but I still got the CE relatively cheap (legally). You just have to look around a bit more. Given my version has no German translation. But I prefer the original language in such games anyway.
Well when it comes to the DLC stuff we get a bit screwed though(Like all Euro countries). But on the other side there hasn´t come out a proper DLC for DA:O yet. At least imho the 1-2hours of the warden´s keep are not noteworthy. So no need to waste money yet.
Oh and besides, we are stinky rich here in Europe, so we shouldn´t blame our north American friends to charge us a bit more than their own people! They really need it, once they have to pay back their debts....


Off-topic 1:

Seifz wrote...

Loetek wrote...

2: Germans rule... seriously... name one currently living German that doesn't rule.

What about the **** death camp guard that was just put on trial?

I think he is originally from the Ukraine and a US citizen nowadays.

Off-topic 2:
French women rule. So that balances out the short comings of their males imho!

Off-topic 3:
I always blame the British...no wait the English. Scots are great!

Modifié par Frostaxt, 05 décembre 2009 - 07:21 .

[Loetek]

Frostaxt wrote...


I think he is originally from the Ukraine and a US citizen nowadays.

Off-topic 2:
French women rule. So that balances out the short comings of their males imho!

Off-topic 3:
I always blame the British...no wait the English. Scots are great!

French chicks are still french... which makes them wrong still. Not to mention the hairy arm pits. And also not to mention they cant speak engrish right. All that le la BS. Le Pizza, La piano, La La Lobsters... rediculous.

And Brits have jacked up teeth... and this is coming from someone that comes from the midwest. And scots wear skirts. <_<

[Fernando Melo]

Keep it on topic please

[RogueAssassinX]

GODzilla_GSPB wrote...

In Germany when I want to buy "Wardens Keep" I have to pay 6,51€ for 560 game points. That's 9,66$ --> 2,66$ too much, according to Biowares own price list: http://dragonage.bioware.com/addon/

The same goes for "The Stone Prisoner". As I got it free with my game I don't remeber if it was worth 800 or 1600 game points, but again you'd have to pay 9,30€ (=13,80$) for 800 and 18,61€ (=27,62$) for 1600 game points!

AH COMMAS where there are supposed to be DECIMALS!  AAAHHH!!!

[Frostaxt]

@RogueAssassin: In Germany we use commas in these cases. So it´s just wrong from your obviously non German perspective.
When I think about it.... Well since he wrote his reply in English though, I must admit he should have used decimals instead.  Hmm, just wanted to point out the reason why he used commas instead and that there are different views about this issue.
Oh damn that was quite off-topic again... sorry Mr Melo......so...

On-Topic: Ahm I don´t think it´s fair that Europeans have to pay more....

[Matthew Young CT]

complain to your elected government not bioware!

[Fernando Melo]

@Frostaxt: I don't disagree, and there certainly isn't anything we do on purpose to try to make Europeans pay more. I have already mentioned on another thread that if you spot the price of points in other currencies (such as euros) being out of whack compared to normal exchange rate to pm me - I can't promise anything, but if we can adjust our price of points we will.

Modifié par Fernando Melo, 05 décembre 2009 - 10:05 .

[originalSabZero]

I want to add that in the very least you should put on the points site what conversion rate you are applying, like Paypal does.

[Frostaxt]

@Mr Melo: Thank you for making that a topic at Bioware. And well I know that exchange rates are varying, So I can see that it wouldn´t always be exactly the same. It would be nice though, not to have too great differences(like it´s now) between certain areas.

Btw I hope adjusting the prices does not just mean, that North Americans will have to pay more in the future!^^

[Zealuu]

Fernando Melo wrote...

@Frostaxt: I don't disagree, and there certainly isn't anything we do on purpose to try to make Europeans pay more. I have already mentioned on another thread that if you spot the price of points in other currencies (such as euros) being out of whack compared to normal exchange rate to pm me - I can't promise anything, but if we can adjust our price of points we will.

Per today's rate, 7 USD = 4.64 EUR.

Your website's price for 560 Bioware Points is 6.51 EUR, which by today's rates equal 9.82 USD. The notoriously poor excuse that "this is because we've already calculated the VAT for you and included it in the price" is completely void; because you're not allowed to charge me - or any of my fellow countrymen - VAT on services like these*. So why exactly am I paying an extra three dollars? For your expenses incurred while shipping bytes across the Atlantic?


* http://www.skatteeta...y/?chapter=7174

[Zealuu]

You should read the VAT Act they reference several times - certain digital digital purchases are exempt from that. If you're still not convinced, I'd be happy to show you a screenshot of, say, my Steam checkout screen showing something along the lines of Price: x, Tax: 0.00,-, Subtotal: x.

Also, in regards to your link at the top of the page - Europe != the EU.

Modifié par Zealuu, 05 décembre 2009 - 03:11 .

[RVallant]

Hey, this is a British complaint! Get your own!



I don't really care about the VAT, exchange rate and so on. I think it should be valued to our currency anyway. For example Stone prisoner is by no means worth £11 in the UK imo... ¬_¬

[Eshme]

I dont think it is the Tax, look at Steam it is the same, where you can get stuff cheaper in local shops. This is only american shops where its so expensive.

[Seifz]

sprybry wrote...

i know that the EU is Europe.  since the OP is in Germany, i posted that for his benefit.

And to the fair, the Euro is a thing of the EU.  I don't think anyone else has complained in this topic.  Well, there's that British guy, but they're part of the EU too (despite not using Euros).

[Big Mabels Diet-Plan]

Yeah varying prices of DLC is unjustifiable. It stinks.

[Aezay]

Frostaxt wrote...

Oh and besides, we are stinky rich here in Europe, so we shouldn´t blame our north American friends to charge us a bit more than their own people!

Speak for yourself, I am certainly not rich in any way.

[Frostaxt]

@Aezay; It was meant sarcastic. But I admit it´s not always easy to recognize that online,..

[GODzilla]

Seifz wrote...

One of two things is true.

1. You're getting the data from the somewhere in the States. In that case, it costs more to send you the data.
2. You're getting the data from a local server somewhere in your country (or another European country). In that case, it very well might cost more to maintain the server and pay the guy who maintains it.

Besides that, you need to consider the local value of currency, rather than the value of your currency vs. the US dollar. Maybe a programmer in the States makes $65k a year and one in Germany makes €60k. Do you see why using the exchange rate would be a poor business move for EA? Obviously those numbers are fabricated, but the idea is valid.

If it's the former, then the price is still too high. If it's the latter then it's kinda right I guess. Maybe someone from Bioware could confirm what's true and what's not.

[stefan9]

Its not just the euro. Us using rands here in South Africa are also paying about 20% more than the advertised $ price.

[lizardglenn]

In Australia we pay more for lots of things including games/software the 10% GST is a small part but overall we just get ripped off by someone in the supply chain or the company making or selling it (like the scumbags @ MS) DA:O   for PC was $110  my pre order for the CE was $130 from EB
as far as the points for DLC goes it works out at

    * Purchase 400 BioWare points
      AUD 6.60
    * Purchase 560 BioWare points
      AUD 9.24
    * Purchase 800 BioWare points
      AUD 13.20
    * Purchase 1600 BioWare points
      AUD 26.40

Modifié par lizardglenn, 06 décembre 2009 - 12:06 .