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[Qkrch]

Rutaan wrote...

 and this is part of the price you pay for things like "free" health care.

what a smart comment of totally unknowledge of how the health works in Europe . -1

[mathewgurney]

I don't think our telephone support operatives getting larger salaries is a cause for a higher price of the game, since most/all telephone support over here seems to be farmed out to companys in India, most of whom i might add don't speak very good/any English and probably get paid a sweat shop wage, as they should because the service they provide is faecal in nature



Sirs, you have offended my English honour and i feel i must respond, a couple of points on the flamewar just for fun ....



American Civil War, far as i can recall didn't the french win that for you ? Now that's seriously shameful, the most cowardly bar-stewards on earth bailing you out, not even much of a victory considering our supply lines had to cross the entire globe and we were happy to let the damn frogs have our prison colony including the mutated inmates if they seriously wanted it.



America didnt win WW2, they waited til every other country had been decimated by it then stepped in to grab the glory by commiting a larger war-crime than any the ****s perpetrated. To whit the long-range nuclear burning of huge amounts of Japanese civilians and very little actual combat other than the consoling of horny but hairy french widows and collecting trophies from long-dead corpses. Luckily Japan now owns the US lock, stock and barrel so justice is done.



If only England had joined the **** cause, sad mistake, churchill was a fat tool.

[GODzilla]

People, please! I'd rather see this topic fade into oblivion when nobody is posting ontopic anymore, but please stop this flamewar before it begins!

[Zealuu]

Rutaan wrote...
and this is part of the price you pay for things like "free" health care.

What was that about over-simplifying things, again?

[Frostaxt]

Off-topic: trying to ignore all off-topic comments and trolls...

On topic (with a little bit of off-topic!^^): I am quite sure the other 19% we pay more, doesn´t give me free health care here, like some people here seem to assume...
Oh and just to make it clear, you have to pay for your health care here in Germany. Only if you are really poor you get free health care from the state.
And well, if Mr Melo will explain what the other 19% (besides the 19% taxes) are for and it´s not just a rip off, I won´t have a problem to pay that. It´s just that as for the moment, it seems like a rip off of European customers to me.

Be happy, make love and live in peace!<3:innocent:

[Leonia]

If someone could explain to me why us Aussies have to pay $9.26 AUD for something that is $7 USD, I'd be happy. Still waiting for them to realise that the exchange rate is $0.92 AUD to $1 USD and has been for the last month at least. There is no VAT for us, so, I think we're just being forced to pay more.

Oh great, I see the American healthcare debate has slipped into this thread. *waits for someone to say the $2 extra dollars of my purchase goes to my federal government*

Nevermind that our stores NEVER adjust video game prices to reflect the exchange rate and we pay $110 or more for a new game, even when the US dollar is tanking.

Modifié par leonia42, 07 décembre 2009 - 07:53 .

[Seifz]

So we've got one guy talking about health care, a guy who wishes that Churchill had supported Hitler, and an Australian. That reminds me of a joke. You see, these three guys walk into a bar...

[Sloth Of Doom]

Seifz wrote...

So we've got one guy talking about health care, a guy who wishes that Churchill had supported Hitler, and an Australian. That reminds me of a joke. You see, these three guys walk into a bar...

About par for any thread longer than 2 pages

[Mesecina]

Here's a part of my d2d uk receit

Below
is a summary of the software registrations or services that you've
signed up for. Your credit card has been charged by "Direct2Drive" for
the amount shown.


Be sure and save this e-mail. We may ask for some of this information if you need to contact customer service in the future.



Thanks again for your support!



ORDER INFORMATION




Dragon Age: Origins UK£29.95
Tax£0.00
Total£29.95

I'd like to politely ask someone from Bioware to please explain why they would have to pay VAT from digital distribution and why d2d doesn't.
Also if they indeed have to pay VAT - why is VAT value not calculated anywhere on the page or the receit you get after buying Bioware points, as far as I'm aware that's against the law here in the EU.

And if (which I'm pretty sure is the case) they don't pay VAT what could be the justifiable reason to charge your European costumers almost 40% more for the SAME service?!

That's almost as if I was selling ice cream and had a pricelist stating - EU citizens 2 € /scoop Non-EU citizens 3€ /scoop. I wonder how that would go...

I don't disagree, and there certainly isn't anything we do on purpose
to try to make Europeans pay more. I have already mentioned on another
thread that if you spot the price of points in other currencies (such
as euros) being out of whack compared to normal exchange rate to pm me

I'm sorry to say but you obviously employ some people "not so good in math" then if they can't even calculate something as simple as an exchange rate. What about you charge everyone the SAME amount in the SAME currency then? I'm sure that would be way more acceptable to everyone than being charged almost 40% more for no apparent reason whatsoever

Modifié par Mesecina, 07 décembre 2009 - 09:36 .

[Mesecina]

just found out the Russians have it even worse ...
I'm not usually the one pointing fingers and crying out loud but this time I really need to let this off my chest "Shame on you Bioware/EA" seriously.
You're basically forcing Russian players into piracy with 2 years of DLC for a game they BOUGHT in the first place and making everyone else but North Americans pay significantly more for the same content.

That's almost as if I was selling ice cream and had a pricelist stating
- EU citizens 2 € /scoop Non-EU citizens 3€ /scoop, Russians go f**** yourselves I wonder how that
would go...

Fixed

Modifié par Mesecina, 07 décembre 2009 - 11:32 .

[noaxark]

Fernando Melo wrote...

@Frostaxt: I don't disagree, and there certainly isn't anything we do on purpose to try to make Europeans pay more. I have already mentioned on another thread that if you spot the price of points in other currencies (such as euros) being out of whack compared to normal exchange rate to pm me - I can't promise anything, but if we can adjust our price of points we will.

1 U.S. dollar = 0.674536256 Euro currently.

Price for warden´s keep is currently 7 dollars for Americans.
Price for warden´s keep is currently 6,51 Euro(=9,65 Dollar) for Euro countries.

In percent that makes 38% more we have to pay. That´s
quite a lot imho and not explainable with VAT or whatsoever. Well just
say, that I hope they will adjust it to a fairer price in the future...

No offense, but this does not compute

[Frostaxt]

Update: Well I think there is actually a way to pay in US-Dollar, even when you are European, and avoid the the 38% extra we would have to pay. It´s actually quite simple and I feel stupid not to have thought of it sooner...

Just change your EA-accounts data to a country outside of  Europe (like ahm... the USA...) and you can pay in US-Dollar. I don´t think it´s possible to pay with a credit card this way though, but pay-pal should work....
Ahm and of course only do this if you are really in that country...ahm yeah...

P.S.: I am really outside of the EU atm, so ....:innocent: But I am positive it works from inside the EU too. That doesn´t mean I am telling you to try it though...I am just thinking loudly...

[FallingStickman]

Hmm, I don't know. In Poland you can get the localised version for about 200 zloty, but you can also get a UK version (so only English) for as little as 140 zloty. I believe it's more a problem of local taxes than actual pricing of the product.

[imkaoo]

POLAND:

game, standard edition, PC: 100-120 PLN
warden's keep DLC: 26 PLN

$7 = 19 PLN

calculate yourself :/

Modifié par imkaoo, 07 décembre 2009 - 01:32 .

[Sblade]

I paid 65.61€ for all the CE and DLC stuff. I don´t think the price is so high, if we can make into account that DLC was made after the DA goldmaster went to the duplicators.



Only the Warden´s Keep was missing, which I already bought.

[Kalcalan]

There is a lot of useless speculation in this thread and I'm getting sick and tired of all the jingoism that keeps getting posted.



I sure would appreciate if someone from Bioware would make a statement about this issue and tell us why we have to pay more.

[Marvin TPA]

Seconded this issue does need addressing, and there is some stuff here that really needs removeing

[GregorLightbringer]

Please forgive me if I'm wrong, but I think that if DA:O had stayed PC only we would not be necessarily having this issue of DLC. Not to mention alot of features/issues that we are having.

[SheffSteel]

Seifz wrote...
Oh, whatever.  Y'all wouldn't even be here if we didn't save you in WWII. 

If you're going to take that line, you're not even allowed to join in this discussion for another couple of years.


On topic:
If this extra money is for VAT, you'd think that EA and/or Bioware would be very clear up front about it, since they could be liable for tax evasion if the correct proportion of every sale doesn't make it to the correct tax-collection authority.

Modifié par SheffSteel, 08 décembre 2009 - 06:52 .

[Kalcalan]

Please refrain from posting more stuff about WW2, that's really not helping.



It would be nice to have some clear answer from somebody from Bioware because we can keep on making suppositions and guesses for 4 more pages without getting anywhere.

[LillithMabon]

Ariza_Mage wrote...

guys,can any1 tell me on HOW TO GET THIS "POINTS" in this game?

from what i understand you have to buy the points through bioware with credit card or pay pal or something and those points are credited to the game and you use those to get DLC.

What confuses me is that you can receive achievements and trophies with PC, xbox, or ps3 systems and the rewards are different depending on the system. With PC you get a title, with PS3 you get a trophy, with xbox you get gamerscore points awarded.

Now my question is are the gamerscore points awarded for xbox users used to buy DLC? If so, why the discrepancy? Personally I would rather have some DLC than a title or trophy.

[GODzilla]

Kalcalan wrote...

It would be nice to have some clear answer from somebody from Bioware because we can keep on making suppositions and guesses for 4 more pages without getting anywhere.

Agreed, I'm really looking forward to an official answer of Bioware. Let me sum it up for them:


1.) We'd like to know why the price difference we have to pay doesn't even nearly match the VAT in most European countries (like the 19% in Germany)?


2.) The VAT alone cannot be the explanation for the different prices. If Bioware still insists about the VAT being the single reason then they should correct their prices as soon as possible. Are they willing to look into it?

Modifié par GODzilla_GSPB, 08 décembre 2009 - 10:41 .

[Thrasher91604]

Seraphael wrote...

This kind of thing is pretty typical. Once exchange rates factor in, you can be sure they pick the most favourable rate and then some. At times it seems like the americans just change the currency and keep the number when charging European customers for their goods.

^This. Exchange rates seem often to be ignored, and with the falling dollar... Guess what?

Modifié par Thrasher91604, 09 décembre 2009 - 12:41 .

[marioflag]

When are we going to get an update about the issue of 1 $ = 1 Euro?

[Rodro Lliv]

marioflag wrote...

When are we going to get an update about the issue of 1 $ = 1 Euro?

I don't think EA is seeing any issue with that. Otherwise, prices would have been lowered by now.

I'm still waiting for a Xmas discount before I purchase any Bio points.