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[sonsonthebia07]

Satanicfirewraith wrote...

Ok so I have played through with a nice soldier, and decided to give my favorite ME 1 class a run through...
I have gotten archangel and the scientist, and the merc. and I have come to the utter conclusion that BW has ruined the vanguard class completely.

Shockwave is horrible, Charge is utterly pointless, Pull is the only real decent power... Its ashome that there is no Throw or lift anymore... or at least warp.... (for vanguard)
I mean they already gimped the class with the crappy ammo system, and by making weapons so underpowered, but hell they even get gimmped on the kinds of weapons available.

I am truely disappointed in BW by how badly they trashed the vanguard class... and honestly, after looking through the game guide, the other classes also look like utter garbage.
This, along with the other bad points,  really makes me question if I will even be interested in ME3.
Unless BW makes ME3 back along the lines of the original, (removing the crappo system, adding inventory, adding the stuff that made ME a great game) making it more RPG again then shooter, because if ME 3 is just more of the same as ME 2, then I'm out. Forget it. Not wasting money on it.

BW needs to stick with rpg games. Stop trying to blend them and make them more something else then rpg. there are already to many crap games being released, alot from EA, BW needs to maintain the high quality RPG's they are known for instead of making cross breed rpgs that are way lite on rpg and heavy on other aspecs....

Stopped reading after you said charge was pointless. Seriously...

[congokurtz]

I'm not totally sold on the idea that the vanguard has a steeper learning curve than the other classes. Prior to heavy charge and champion cooldowns you have to be a little cautious in your use of charge/boom/punch but only moderately. The biggest challenge is figuring out how to deal with enemies you can't charge, and even that is not tough given the availability of heavy weapon ammo and your choice of weapon upgrade later in the game (I took the AR but would have taken the SR had I known how OP it was against armor). I guess "learning curve" in this context is largely subjective.



If people feel there is a high learning curve, if people feel the class is repetitive, or if people just don't like the mechanics of the class, that is fine with me. What's not fine is to start a thread calling a class garbage and broken when it's apparent that you don't understand how that class works.

[JJDrakken]

Vanguard class is extreme fun.



Shockwave is horrible? ROFL, thats a Husk Clearing Party right there & not to mention knocking folks out of cover. Learn to use it noob,



Learn when & when not to charge in & have your Shotgun ready. Charge in, everything is slowed down around me, On guy is flying, Shotgun his buddies around him, then when dude lands, run up & shotgun him or melee him.



JJ

[OptimusAlex]

Satanicfirewraith wrote...

scyphozoa wrote...

satanticfirewraith, watch this video,

Again I see nothing kool about the vid.

well theres your problem right there, you're spelling cool with a K

[Jaekahn]

OptimusAlex wrote...

Satanicfirewraith wrote...

scyphozoa wrote...

satanticfirewraith, watch this video,

Again I see nothing kool about the vid.

well theres your problem right there, you're spelling cool with a K

Burned.

[Catlana]

The Vanguard in ME2 is a pretty poor class. You can beat the game with the class (actually you can beat the game with any class), but Vanguards are really a low end class in ME2. In no way, shape or form can you compare a Vanguard to a Inflitrator or even a Soldier.

[sinosleep]

Thank you for providing nothing to back up your post in any way shape or form.

[JaegerBane]

To be honest, the only issue I have with the Vanguard is that I'm not totally sure Shockwave was the correct Biotic to give Vanguards. Tactically, it's very inflexible - while it's cool and in reality more powerful than Throw, it's also very difficult to wield to it's best effect and just doesn't really fit with the high speed kinetic combat the Vanguard specialises in.

Don't get me wrong, I actually prefer Shockwave to Throw - I'm just not sure it synergises well with the Vanguard. It probably would have been better off on the Sentinel.

[didymos1120]

OptimusAlex wrote...

Satanicfirewraith wrote...

scyphozoa wrote...

satanticfirewraith, watch this video,

Again I see nothing kool about the vid.

well theres your problem right there, you're spelling cool with a K

[Habelo]

I miss adrenaline for vangaurds...



shockwave+ charge, kickass!

[congokurtz]

Catlana wrote...

The Vanguard in ME2 is a pretty poor class. You can beat the game with the class (actually you can beat the game with any class), but Vanguards are really a low end class in ME2. In no way, shape or form can you compare a Vanguard to a Inflitrator or even a Soldier.

It's only a poor class if you start out as a vanguard otherwise you get like 50k credits if you unlocked the long service medal achievement.  Or did you mean something else by poor?  It's hard to tell what you meant with your complete lack of examples and meaningful argument.  But, clearly you are good at the game if you completed it with a soldier (I hear that takes MAD skilllz) so we should all take your opinion as gospel. 

[VirtualAlex]

Looks like I am about 9 pages too late for a "don't feed the troll" comment?

[smavrakis2]

Catlana wrote...

The Vanguard in ME2 is a pretty poor class. You can beat the game with the class (actually you can beat the game with any class), but Vanguards are really a low end class in ME2. In no way, shape or form can you compare a Vanguard to a Inflitrator or even a Soldier.

We need a facepalm smiley.

[AlphaJarmel]

Well to be fair Soldier does take the cake as the top class as they have access to all the guns and advanced weapon training. The Infiltrator is also much better in certain regards as it has insane flexibility as well. Anyway there was already a thread regarding the class rankings and that just devolved into whether the Infiltrator or Soldier was better.

[mundus66]

Catlana wrote...

The Vanguard in ME2 is a pretty poor class. You can beat the game with the class (actually you can beat the game with any class), but Vanguards are really a low end class in ME2. In no way, shape or form can you compare a Vanguard to a Inflitrator or even a Soldier.

Care to elaborate? I played infiltrator almost as much as vanguard (2nd favorite class) and 1 soldier. And i can agree they are definitely easier but i wouldn't call any of them better. Sniper is very good though, but a vanguard can get it too.

[RighteousRage]

I've beaten the game as a soldier, infiltrator, and vanguard, and, while the soldier and infiltrator are probably better at not dying, I find the vanguard to be better at actually having fun. Sometimes when playing it I'll say "BOOGE" or "BAM" right there in front of my computer, all alone, or scowl and bite my lower lip. That's how hardcore the vanguard is, fellas.

[sonsonthebia07]

RighteousRage wrote...

I've beaten the game as a soldier, infiltrator, and vanguard, and, while the soldier and infiltrator are probably better at not dying, I find the vanguard to be better at actually having fun. Sometimes when playing it I'll say "BOOGE" or "BAM" right there in front of my computer, all alone, or scowl and bite my lower lip. That's how hardcore the vanguard is, fellas.

Agreed 100%, with less booging and bamming.

[Daewan]

Wait, I think I see the problem... OP wrote 'ruined' when he meant to write 'tried to make me play the game and think at the same time with.' I'm not even going to go on about the hideous misspellings in his signature. (seriously? You tried to make yourself look intellectual with a smart quote and then misspelled 'Yggdrasil.')

If by 'top class' you mean 'easiest and most mindless class,' then yes, Soldier takes the cake. But since Soldiers can't do that thing where they clear out an entire room in about five minutes without firing a single shot, I'm going to say that's not my idea of a 'top class.'

Shockwave+the bridge between Dantius towers = most fun I've had in ME2 so far. I can still hear the screams, and it gives me a warm, fuzzy feeling inside.

[AlphaJarmel]

Daewan wrote...

Wait, I think I see the problem... OP wrote 'ruined' when he meant to write 'tried to make me play the game and think at the same time with.' I'm not even going to go on about the hideous misspellings in his signature. (seriously? You tried to make yourself look intellectual with a smart quote and then misspelled 'Yggdrasil.')
If by 'top class' you mean 'easiest and most mindless class,' then yes, Soldier takes the cake. But since Soldiers can't do that thing where they clear out an entire room in about five minutes without firing a single shot, I'm going to say that's not my idea of a 'top class.'
Shockwave+the bridge between Dantius towers = most fun I've had in ME2 so far. I can still hear the screams, and it gives me a warm, fuzzy feeling inside.

I'm assuming this wasn't on Insanity as shockwave is useless when there is only health unless your teammates were doing all the shooting.

Modifié par AlphaJarmel, 23 février 2010 - 10:26 .

[Daewan]

SupidSeep wrote...

Satanicfirewraith wrote...
That was one of the best classes in ME1....
To bad they ruined it in ME 2.

That's what I used to think when I started ME2 by importing my ME1 Vanguard and playing on Insanity

Then I watch a bit of sinosleep's vids and realise that I wasn't playing to the new Vanguard's strengths.

Sure I died when things go wrong (which is very often), but when done right, the Vanguard is a BULLDOZER.  Sometimes, I can't believe how fast the Vanguard "resolve" certain situations that I used to allow to degenerate into siege warfare.

Reminds me so much of Sega's Cyber Troopers Virtual On (robot 1-on-1 combat sim) where my fave char carries a shotgun that is horrid at range but dangerous at point blank, and has a ridiculously fast (x2 that of the next fastest char) forward boost speed ... sounds familiar?

HOLY CRAP!  So I'm not the only one who thought that!  I loved that game!  *snff* feels nostalgic *snff*

[sinosleep]

AlphaJarmel wrote...
I'm assuming this wasn't on Insanity as shockwave is useless unless it's only health unless your teammates were doing all the shooting.

All it takes to fix that is one mass overload. 

[Daewan]

AlphaJarmel wrote...

Daewan wrote...

Wait, I think I see the problem... OP wrote 'ruined' when he meant to write 'tried to make me play the game and think at the same time with.' I'm not even going to go on about the hideous misspellings in his signature. (seriously? You tried to make yourself look intellectual with a smart quote and then misspelled 'Yggdrasil.')
If by 'top class' you mean 'easiest and most mindless class,' then yes, Soldier takes the cake. But since Soldiers can't do that thing where they clear out an entire room in about five minutes without firing a single shot, I'm going to say that's not my idea of a 'top class.'
Shockwave+the bridge between Dantius towers = most fun I've had in ME2 so far. I can still hear the screams, and it gives me a warm, fuzzy feeling inside.

I'm assuming this wasn't on Insanity as shockwave is useless unless it's only health unless your teammates were doing all the shooting.

Well what else are teammates for?  I'm not soloing.  One Shockwave to get anything 'fragile' or explosive out of the way, then Garrus and Miranda strip shields and armor, and I do all the killing.  Gives my Vanguard time to do her nails.  I also snipe those jerks in the back with rockets since I can handle aiming without the goofy reticule.

[GM23]

congokurtz wrote...

Catlana wrote...

The Vanguard in ME2 is a pretty poor class. You can beat the game with the class (actually you can beat the game with any class), but Vanguards are really a low end class in ME2. In no way, shape or form can you compare a Vanguard to a Inflitrator or even a Soldier.

It's only a poor class if you start out as a vanguard otherwise you get like 50k credits if you unlocked the long service medal achievement.  Or did you mean something else by poor?  It's hard to tell what you meant with your complete lack of examples and meaningful argument.  But, clearly you are good at the game if you completed it with a soldier (I hear that takes MAD skilllz) so we should all take your opinion as gospel. 

Owned big time... Seriously guys, in this game every single class is fun and powerful once you get used to it and learn which skills suit your playstyle the most. I thought engineer was horrible at first, than I got used to it and now I see that it's very powerful. Same with Vanguard.You need to learn to play and just rush into a big crowd and exepect to live (ala ME 1 which was pretty ridiculous IMO). Learn to play and don't cry when you can't play god...

[ODST Steve]

Vangaurds are amazing, watch some guides.

Modifié par ODST Steve, 23 février 2010 - 08:40 .

[Hellraisin]

vanguard is awesome, right up there with Engineer in terms of fun factor for me, certainly more interesting than Soldier. Vanguard is pretty much suicidal, either you kill everything in the room in record time or you die. in a way, it's very fitting for the final mission considering it's called the suicide mission.