We have dismissed those claims.
In the Meantime (Diary of a Turian Councilor)
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Posté 04 septembre 2010 - 07:59
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Ah yes, Turian Councilor, Reapers, STG...
We have dismissed those claims.
We have dismissed those claims.
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Posté 05 septembre 2010 - 06:37
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AwesomeEffect2 wrote...
So if Anderson was the human councilor then he lied to Shepard as well. Many of us could start hating him.
You mean, the way he did about Ashley/Kaiden?
He's a politician. They lie. Get used to it.
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Posté 05 septembre 2010 - 09:26
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Skyblade012 wrote...
AwesomeEffect2 wrote...
So if Anderson was the human councilor then he lied to Shepard as well. Many of us could start hating him.
You mean, the way he did about Ashley/Kaiden?
He's a politician. They lie. Get used to it.
Unless I read it wrong, Anderson didn't lie about Ashley/Kaidan, he just wasn't fortright about the Council's actions.
They didn't have enough info, at the time, to determine who was behind the colony attacks.
If you're talking about the Council believing in the Reaper threat, that sounded more like keeping things under-wraps, to avoid anymore leaked info, and maintaining an undetected eye on Cerberus.
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Posté 06 septembre 2010 - 12:41
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First off, if this is true then it means that there will be no sweet, sweet “Ah yes, Reapers” renegade line in ME3. 
This was supposed to be one of the best renegade moments in the whole ME trilogy and it
would be sad and disappointing for many people, such as myself, for this scene to
never show up.
- first point, people always forget that it is possible to not recruit Garrus in ME1. Doesn’t this completely kill off the possibility that the Council gave the schematics of the Thanix canon to Garrus? However Garrus got the Thanix cannon, it was not thanks to the Council.
I have a few problems here as well.
- why is the Council making such a silly act? Why are they telling Shepard that they don’t believe the Reapers are real?! Couldn’t they at least say that they do believe in their existence but unfortunately they cannot work with Shepard due to his involvement with Cerberus? This would have made a lot more sense.
- if the Council was aware of the Reaper threat, if they were taking actions to prepare for the war against them, then Cerberus should definitely be aware of this. Cerberus is a very well informed organization. So shouldn’t the Council suspect that Cerberus told Shepard that they know about the Reapers. So why would they lie to Shepard, only to make themselves bigger idiots as a result?
- and the next thing that bugs me is Anderson. It’s possible to choose him as a human Councilor in ME2. If he is a Councilor then he should know about the Reapers as much as the other 3 Councilors as well. He should also know about all the steps the Council is making to fight the Reapers, especially if the Alliance is so much involved. But during the meeting he tells Shepard he believes him but that the other Councilors don’t. WTF if you count the whole scene?
So if the Council does believe in the Reapers then Anderson is playing with Shepard in a very strange way.
Scratch this. If I get this part right than this would be another giant plot hole. If the Council knew where the derelict Reaper was then they are idiots for not trying to claim and study it. The derelict Reaper was a perfect key in winning the war against the almighty Reapers, and yet they took no action at all.
This was supposed to be one of the best renegade moments in the whole ME trilogy and it
would be sad and disappointing for many people, such as myself, for this scene to
never show up.
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Despite the risks, the Council has agreed to leak the schematics for the Thanix Magnetic-Hydrodynamic cannon to Garrus Vakarian. Despite the assurance of Cerberus getting their hands on this weapon, we need to do what we can to outfit Shepard against these threats.
- first point, people always forget that it is possible to not recruit Garrus in ME1. Doesn’t this completely kill off the possibility that the Council gave the schematics of the Thanix canon to Garrus? However Garrus got the Thanix cannon, it was not thanks to the Council.
Skyblade012wrote...
Shepard came by to meet us alongside Anderson. Thankfully Udina was absent from the meeting, despite the opinion of the Asari. Shepard had interesting information concerning the attacks on human colonies in the Terminus. Apparently the Collectors are behind the attacks, and Shepard and Cerberus suspect that they are working for the Reapers. Anderson agrees, but, per our previous agreements, we cannot let Shepard, know this.
If this information is true, it is most disturbing. We were hoping to have more time to prepare before the Reapers could begin taking active steps again. Still, it could be misinformation leaked by Cerberus yet again, though we doubt they are behind the attacks, given the cost of human lives involved.
Shepard was unhappy with our reaction, of course. Though she accepted a reinstatement to Spectre status, Anderson confirmed for us that Shepard felt betrayed by the lack of faith we displayed. Anderson also said the "air quotes" might have been going too far, we don't want to alienate Shepard or appear so oblivious that Shepard, and through her, Cerberus, might catch on. Regardless, the safety of the galaxy comes before any one individual. Even after all Shepard did for us. I only hope we can correct Shepard's interpretation after Shepard's work with Cerberus ends.
I have a few problems here as well.
- why is the Council making such a silly act? Why are they telling Shepard that they don’t believe the Reapers are real?! Couldn’t they at least say that they do believe in their existence but unfortunately they cannot work with Shepard due to his involvement with Cerberus? This would have made a lot more sense.
- if the Council was aware of the Reaper threat, if they were taking actions to prepare for the war against them, then Cerberus should definitely be aware of this. Cerberus is a very well informed organization. So shouldn’t the Council suspect that Cerberus told Shepard that they know about the Reapers. So why would they lie to Shepard, only to make themselves bigger idiots as a result?
- and the next thing that bugs me is Anderson. It’s possible to choose him as a human Councilor in ME2. If he is a Councilor then he should know about the Reapers as much as the other 3 Councilors as well. He should also know about all the steps the Council is making to fight the Reapers, especially if the Alliance is so much involved. But during the meeting he tells Shepard he believes him but that the other Councilors don’t. WTF if you count the whole scene?
So if the Council does believe in the Reapers then Anderson is playing with Shepard in a very strange way.
Skyblade012wrote...
Cerberus crews have taken our leaked information from the Alliance's survey of the Great Rift on Klendagon and backtracked it to the weapon that caused it and the Reaper that the weapon was targeting. This gives us even more confirmation that the Reaper threat was not isolated to Sovereign. Shepard successfully boarded the Reaper shell, and destroyed it.
Scratch this. If I get this part right than this would be another giant plot hole. If the Council knew where the derelict Reaper was then they are idiots for not trying to claim and study it. The derelict Reaper was a perfect key in winning the war against the almighty Reapers, and yet they took no action at all.
Modifié par AwesomeEffect2, 12 septembre 2010 - 03:36 .
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Posté 06 septembre 2010 - 01:23
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Skyblade012 wrote...
AwesomeEffect2 wrote...
So if Anderson was the human councilor then he lied to Shepard as well. Many of us could start hating him.
You mean, the way he did about Ashley/Kaiden?
He's a politician. They lie. Get used to it.
“Get used to it”? I can, but my Shepard wont.
Modifié par AwesomeEffect2, 06 septembre 2010 - 02:00 .
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Posté 06 septembre 2010 - 01:24
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#107
Posté 07 septembre 2010 - 02:44
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Very interesting read. I 'm surprised you used the Turian councilor for the diary when the Turian councilor is clearly anti-human. I just finished playing ME1 and the Turian councilor was always against Shepard. He scoffed at Shepard's evidence against Saron. He argued against the decision for allowing Shepard the opportunity to join the spectres. After every mission that included a council debriefing, the Turian councilor would criticise Shepard regardless of the outcome. Take the Rachni choice for example. If you killed the Rachni queen he would criticise Shepard for commiting genocide. If you saved the Rachni queen he would criticise Shepard for unleashing a deadly menace that will bring war and destruction upon future generations. It's only when Shepard saves his sorry behind when he finally says anything positive about humans in general.
With the Reaper air qoutes comment lools like he falling back into his anti-human ways.
The Asari or the Salarian councilor were far more accepting and understanding and thus would have made a realistic author for the diary. That's my take on it anyways.
I really do like your premise that the council is aware of the reaper threat but is down playing it for fear of inciting a mass panic. With Spehard's uncertain involvement with Cerebus they no longer view him as a trusted agent and cannot share their plans or new information. At least they choose not to work against you or send another spectre to take you down.
I really hope BW allows Shepard the chance to return a full spectre in ME3 and not as Cerebus agent with spectre in name only credentials. I can of see that ME3 is all about rallying all the races together for the final confrontation with the Reapers.
With the Reaper air qoutes comment lools like he falling back into his anti-human ways.
The Asari or the Salarian councilor were far more accepting and understanding and thus would have made a realistic author for the diary. That's my take on it anyways.
I really do like your premise that the council is aware of the reaper threat but is down playing it for fear of inciting a mass panic. With Spehard's uncertain involvement with Cerebus they no longer view him as a trusted agent and cannot share their plans or new information. At least they choose not to work against you or send another spectre to take you down.
I really hope BW allows Shepard the chance to return a full spectre in ME3 and not as Cerebus agent with spectre in name only credentials. I can of see that ME3 is all about rallying all the races together for the final confrontation with the Reapers.
Modifié par Eldareus, 07 septembre 2010 - 02:46 .
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Posté 07 septembre 2010 - 07:44
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I wouldn't say the turian councilour was anti-human. Sure, he was sceptical about them, wich is understandable from a turian point of wiev, but I think he did give the humans and Shepard a chance to prove themselves.
Sure he questions everything Shepard does but that is actualy his job as a politician and Shepards superior in Citadell affairs. Overall he usualy supports Shepards actions in both games even if he is a jerk about it.
So yes I think that arrogant but sly turian could be behind something like this.
Sure he questions everything Shepard does but that is actualy his job as a politician and Shepards superior in Citadell affairs. Overall he usualy supports Shepards actions in both games even if he is a jerk about it.
So yes I think that arrogant but sly turian could be behind something like this.
