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[zaim298]

if she knows blood magic why didnt she use it when we're fighting the darkspawn then?!

**oooh i'm gona give that biitch a slap for her stupid shapeshifting talent** lol



back to discussion, i thought she was just concocting potions as I believe she do those kind of stuff since she start with herbalism skill. And I thought blood magic is about sacrificing part of you or using the power of the blood to summon or cast a powerful spell?

[Champion1]

Well the ritual does use blood in a way. The Archdemon has to die for it to work, so that's a lot of blood!



Plus the child is going to have the soul of a purified Tevinter "Old God"... who the hell knows what that means...

[zaim298]

Champion1 wrote...

Well the ritual does use blood in a way. The Archdemon has to die for it to work, so that's a lot of blood!

Plus the child is going to have the soul of a purified Tevinter "Old God"... who the hell knows what that means...

hmm i guess you have a point on the lot of blood part, but i never really thought Morrigan saying blood ritual to mean as blood magic, i thought it have something to do with the baby having tainted blood... ah well... i withdraw my case.. lol

[Champion1]

zaim298 wrote...

Champion1 wrote...

Well the ritual does use blood in a way. The Archdemon has to die for it to work, so that's a lot of blood!

Plus the child is going to have the soul of a purified Tevinter "Old God"... who the hell knows what that means...

hmm i guess you have a point on the lot of blood part, but i never really thought Morrigan saying blood ritual to mean as blood magic, i thought it have something to do with the baby having tainted blood... ah well... i withdraw my case.. lol

It does have to do with the taint in the baby.  That's why you (or whoever the father is) don't die, since the taint in the baby sucks in the Archdemon's essence before it can go into its father.

The whole thing is a bit confusing since there's no obvious magic involved.  The Ritual was just getting Morrigan pregnant at the exact right time with a Gray Warden daddy, and anything else Morrigan might have done for the Ritual happens off-screen.

I guess we'll find out if they ever come back to the kid in a future game.  Then again, some people did Ultimate Sacrifice so that's a choice issue...

[atheelogos]

vocalemuse wrote...

zaim298 wrote...

wait what? the dark ritual involves blood magic?

Yes. xD At the end, when you tell Alistair to tell the Wardens whatever he wants to he says:

"What? That a maleficar saved you and then ran off to have my demon baby? That has a certain ring to it, don't you think? No, I'll just play stupid. It's a talent."

Guys its blood magic. No two ways about it.

[atheelogos]

Champion1 wrote...

Morrigan says that it's similar to blood magic, but says that it's actually older. That's all we really know about the Ritual.
According to her, there's lots of magic that's been forgotten due to the standards of the Chantry and Circle.  One of them was Shape-Shifting, so they probably aren't all evil.

Shes needed the tainted blood of the warden. How does that not spell Blood magic?

[zaim298]

atheelogos wrote...

vocalemuse wrote...

zaim298 wrote...

wait what? the dark ritual involves blood magic?

Yes. xD At the end, when you tell Alistair to tell the Wardens whatever he wants to he says:

"What? That a maleficar saved you and then ran off to have my demon baby? That has a certain ring to it, don't you think? No, I'll just play stupid. It's a talent."

Guys its blood magic. No two ways about it.

and how are you so sure? it doesn't fit the description of blood magic apart from Morrigan saying it is a blood ritual.

[zaim298]

Blood Magic is to sacrifice or offer blood so that you can summon or cast something. I don't see how having a baby with tainted blood has anything to do with blood magic (she explains that she just need the taint so the soul of old-god will jump to the baby). Unless during the course of performing the blood ritual they did use or spattered blood to summon a demon or ceremonialised the conception than there is no concrete proof at all it is blood magic, other than being an ancient forbidden magic.

[atheelogos]

zaim298 wrote...

atheelogos wrote...

vocalemuse wrote...

zaim298 wrote...

wait what? the dark ritual involves blood magic?

Yes. xD At the end, when you tell Alistair to tell the Wardens whatever he wants to he says:

"What? That a maleficar saved you and then ran off to have my demon baby? That has a certain ring to it, don't you think? No, I'll just play stupid. It's a talent."

Guys its blood magic. No two ways about it.

and how are you so sure? it doesn't fit the description of blood magic apart from Morrigan saying it is a blood ritual.

Read the post above yours.

[atheelogos]

zaim298 wrote...

Blood Magic is to sacrifice or offer blood so that you can summon or cast something. I don't see how having a baby with tainted blood has anything to do with blood magic (she explains that she just need the taint so the soul of old-god will jump to the baby). Unless during the course of performing the blood ritual they did use or spattered blood to summon a demon or ceremonialised the conception than there is no concrete proof at all it is blood magic, other than being an ancient forbidden magic.

Morrigan said it herself. "Some would call it blood magic."
www.youtube.com/watch

[zaim298]

"some would call it blood magic"

i just don't see why that "up in the air" statement solidly prove it is blood magic.. the statement is open for interpretation.

Modifié par zaim298, 23 février 2010 - 04:40 .

[--Master of All--]

I'd say any magic that involves manipulating blood is blood magic. Of course, that's just me, and who am I, really?

[zaim298]

LoL Master of All...okay okay I concede if you say so...

[Forest03]

^ Open, indeed.

It's easy to call the "dark ritual" a form of blood magic. However, there is no sacrifice of anyone's blood or life force involved. Even if the unborn child itself could be called a sacrifice, it does not lose anything of itself and neither is it weakened, as is always the case in blood magic. It is simply transformed.

The taint within the Grey Warden is transferred to the baby, which, having both the most susceptible and compatible (tainted) spiritual force at the time of the Arch Demon's death, will be chosen by said Demon to inhabit. The baby, though changed drastically, is unharmed - as are the mother and father.

Re: Riordan - BioWare had to find some way to kill him in order to force the player into making one of two decisions - Loghain's heroic death, or the main character's legendary sacrifice. So, they made Riordan's character foolhardy and consequently suicidal. It also creates a situation where the dragon is hurt, at least enough to keep it from staying up in the air during the final fight.

Re: Other Grey Wardens - Word will travel. In any case, it's highly unlikely that any DLC or expansion involving the resolution to the Dark Promise will involve any place that just happens to have an official Grey Warden camp or headquarters. Morrigan would never be that stupid enough to go near one while she raises the child. It's more feasible that we would end up tracking her through the Wilds, then on to somewhere far away off the current game map.

Modifié par Forest03, 23 février 2010 - 04:55 .

[zaim298]

Forest03 wrote...

^ Open, indeed.

It's easy to call the "dark ritual" a form of blood magic. However, there is no sacrifice of anyone's blood or life force involved. Even if the unborn child itself could be called a sacrifice, it does not lose anything of itself and neither is it weakened, as is always the case in blood magic. It is simply transformed.

The taint within the Grey Warden is transferred to the baby, which, having both the most susceptible and compatible (tainted) spiritual force at the time of the Arch Demon's death, will be chosen by said Demon to inhabit. The baby, though changed drastically, is unharmed - as are the mother and father.

Re: Riordan - BioWare had to find some way to kill him in order to force the player into making one of two decisions - Loghain's heroic death, or the main character's legendary sacrifice. So, they made Riordan's character foolhardy and consequently suicidal. It also creates a situation where the dragon is hurt, at least enough to keep it from staying up in the air during the final fight.

Re: Other Grey Wardens - Word will travel. In any case, it's highly unlikely that any DLC or expansion involving the resolution to the Dark Promise will involve any place that just happens to have an official Grey Warden camp or headquarters. Morrigan would never be that stupid enough to go near one while she raises the child. It's more feasible that we would end up tracking her through the Wilds, then on to somewhere far away off the current game map.

Finally someone is backing me up whew... well anyway, i wud love to argue further but im too tired and i think like all that is of this world, everything is open for interpretation and we see what we want to see... no is right or wrong here...

[atheelogos]

Forest03 wrote...

^ Open, indeed.

It's easy to call the "dark ritual" a form of blood magic. However, there is no sacrifice of anyone's blood or life force involved.

So killing the Archdemon doesn't count then?

[zaim298]

should i...or should i not...?.... sigh i can't resist it...

then the act of killing the Archdemon itself is a blood magic if we use that reasoning, simply the old-god soul will search for nearby darkspawn or grey warden. the only thing the tainted baby provide is an alternate "vessel" for hosting the old-god soul.

Modifié par zaim298, 23 février 2010 - 05:22 .

[soignee]

I just did this the second time on so my brosca (see icon!) Would have her happy ending. I have no guilt over it anymore, oddly. The expansion coming up saw to that.

[tbone198211]

you know - this ritual is prob the orgins of blood magic. perhaps "blood magic" as its mainly used through out the game is some kind of bastardized form of the old tvinter magics.



oh and you know morgan is gonna try to body snatch that kid at some point right??

[atheelogos]

zaim298 wrote...

should i...or should i not...?.... sigh i can't resist it...

then the act of killing the Archdemon itself is a blood magic if we use that reasoning, simply the old-god soul will search for nearby darkspawn or grey warden. the only thing the tainted baby provide is an alternate "vessel" for hosting the old-god soul.

Hmmm I think you went the wrong way on that one. I wasn't really talking about the vessel. I was just adressing the fact that a life was given when the other person said "there is no sacrifice of anyone's blood or life force involved."

[atheelogos]

tbone198211 wrote...

oh and you know morgan is gonna try to body snatch that kid at some point right??

I'm not sure about that. I don't think the body is all that important. Not compared to the soul within in it at least. She may try to bind the old god to her soul in similiar fashion to what her mom did, though I don't think that will end well.

Modifié par atheelogos, 23 février 2010 - 06:00 .

[BostonVamp]

You don't know exactly what when on during the ritual. For some religions, the mixing or sharing of blood is important...remember, the blood is the life. Of course, there are other pagan religions where the Great Rite is a ritual sex act that is either symbolic or actually performed. I laughed out loud when this was mentioned. Someone did their research!

[Maria Caliban]

zaim298 wrote...

wait what? the dark ritual involves blood magic?

Yes, it's a form of blood magic. That's why it's dark instead the day-glo ritual.

[zaim298]

atheelogos wrote...

Hmmm I think you went the wrong way on that one. I wasn't really
talking about the vessel. I was just adressing the fact that a life was
given when the other person said "there is no sacrifice of anyone's
blood or life force involved."

i see your point... but does it change anything? i mean baby or not, the archdemon will be dead anyway, and will look for another host... introducing the baby factor, doesn't mean that the death of the archdemon becomes "sacrificing blood or lifeforce". for me this doesn't factor in into determining whether the Dark Ritual is blood magic or not. i'm not saying the Dark Ritual is "definitely" not blood magic. but I won't accept anything less than a concrete proof before i can safely say the dark ritual IS blood magic...

Modifié par zaim298, 23 février 2010 - 06:18 .

[joey_mork84]

atheelogos wrote...

Forest03 wrote...

^ Open, indeed.

It's easy to call the "dark ritual" a form of blood magic. However, there is no sacrifice of anyone's blood or life force involved.

So killing the Archdemon doesn't count then?

Killing the Archdemon was going to happen no matter if you chose the Dark Ritual or not. Just because you chose the Dark Ritual doesn't change it from just killing the Archdemon to making a blood sacrifice.