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[TekFanX]

If you're completely Paragon and destroy the Collector-Base at the end, Jacob states Shepard has now Cerberus after him/her.

But: Why would TIM be that stupid?

Shepard kicked more reapers into nirvana than anyone else ever, as far as we know.
There was that species some million years ago that damaged a reaper enough as that it would be captured next to a brown dwarf, but Shepard as a very inspiring list:
Sovereign/Nazara
The derelict Reaper
the human Reaper-Larva.

Cerberus claims itself to protect humanity in whole(no individuums, but the human race).
Shepard will, maybe not as the TIM intended on most parts, give his/her live for this.

Shepard destroyed 3 reapers and one race of reaper-servants.

Shepard will fight for humanity.

He/She has proven that he/she is capable of that, although TIM hasn't gotten his collector-reaper-base. 

Even Miranda agreed with the destruction of that base.

As far as I got it, Shepard even tells TIM that humanity needs a leader who looks out for it...maybe TIM will change?

[Bigdoser]

I doubt TIM will change all he wants is power.

[Northern Sun]

When I saw him staring into the blue star after I told him about not sacrificing the soul I wondered if a change of heart would happen. I doubt he'll actually change though.

Whatever the case, whether he goes after Shepard or not will say everything about his character. If he leaves Shepard alone, it says he does care about humanity(even if his methods are unacceptable in my book). If he goes after Shep, it shows all he cares about is his own power.

Modifié par Northern Sun, 23 février 2010 - 04:00 .

[The Angry One]

He'll probably back down after a while and try to make nice with Shep again.

He lost the base but he's still in this to save humanity, it's what justifies his actions in his mind, that means being on Shep's side.

[Serogon]

He's not insane or an idiot, just very ruthless and dedicated to humanity. I doubt he'll actually try to kill Shepherd.

[Dsurian]

He wont change...what the illusive man wants, he gets. If he doesnt get it, he will screw your stuff up (intro, third book). One thing that boggles my mind for ME3, though - you can effectively quit the Spectres (say 'f-you' to the council), quit Cerberus, and its assumed that you are no longer a part of the Alliance...you and what army is going to destory the reapers next game if you choose this plot line?

[sergio71785]

I don't think TIM will try and actively hunt down Shepard, he knows what Shepard can do and trying to fight him and his team would be suicide.

But I'm sure he wouldn't mind getting that expensive ship back. I can see in ME3 him setting a trap to retake the Normandy.

And even if he gets the chance, I really don't think he'll kill Shepard. Even if Shepard isn't onboard with Cerberus, he's too much of a positive icon for humanity.

Modifié par sergio71785, 23 février 2010 - 04:05 .

[The Angry One]

Oh that's easy, there probably won't be any real bearing on what you say to the Council in ME2.

You'll probably have a choice to go with the Alliance, Spectres or Cerberus regardless of what happens in ME2, though there'll be some extra dialog or whatever if you kept the base or stayed a Spectre or whatever.

[InHarmsWay]

He won't try to kill Shepard even he admits that Shepard is the only hope for humanity.

[Champion1]

I want TIM after me.  Gives me an excuse to hunt him down
I really don't know, though.  TIM wants to be in control, and blowing the base showed that he can't control Shepard.  Even if he tries to make nice, it'd never feel right.  TIM has quite the ego, and Shepard just flattened it, so you know he's really gonna screw you over this time.

[Splinter Cell 108]

Maybe he's after him/her because he knows about Cerberus, plus has EDI and the whole Cerberus database in the ship. There's also Miranda, the Illusive man's top agent and she defected. My guess is that he's afraid that Shepard will try to destroy Cerberus. Personally I plan to do just that, I will present every bit of evidence there is to use against them. Organizations like Cerberus do nothing but make Humanity look bad. Why do you think everyone distrusts humanity? Either way the Council and even the public is aware of Cerberus now, they can no longer hide anymore. That will just make everything that much easier.

[Gill Kaiser]

If TIM walks his talk, he'll leave Shepard alone and let him keep the Normandy, as he's fighting against the Reapers.

[Computron2000]

If i was TIM, the best course to follow is to disappear for a while but link up with the Terra Firma party then make sure humans send the minimum ships in to help against the Reapers. The excess ships would be used in either of

i) Gain military dominance after the rest of the galactic fleet gets wiped out

or

ii) Serve as an escape option for genetically excellent peoeple by attempting to leave inhabited worlds and wait out the Reaper destruction.



Once the Reaper threat is neutralised and Shepard is alive, get Shepard killed and plant evidence that turians did it, galvanizing earthlings. If Shepard dies, use his death to incite hate against aliens by planting rumors, one liners that somehow people will believe in (alien medical death councils!) and what for things to turn out as you expect

[ExtremeOne]

he has every right to come after Shepard for what he did if you chose that way.

[mentosman8]

TIM says near the beginning, that he wants Shepard to help with the Collector abductions, and if it wasn't actually a threat or when it was done he was free to walk away. I don't think he'll be stupid enough to go after humanity's only chance of survival.

[Zulu_DFA]

What about stealing the Normandy? If Shepard does not return it to TIM it's a simple theft. Maybe TIM even lets Shepard deal with the Reapers. But after that for the rest of his life (which TIM gave him back, BTW), TIM will be after Shepard.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 23 février 2010 - 04:53 .

[The Angry One]

Isn't designing the SR2 based on the Alliance/Turian SR1 theft of intellectual property anyway?

I'd love to see TIM come after Shep for taking the Normandy only to be shot down by a swarm of Council lawyers.

[ExtremeOne]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

What about stealing the Normandy? If Shepard does not return it to TIM it's a simple theft. Maybe TIM even lets Shepard deal with the Reapers. But after that for the rest of his life (which TIM gave him back, BTW), TIM will be after Shepard.

 


Thats part of why TIM will be after Shepard stealing Cerberus's flagship is not going to be forgotten. Plus in the game TIM even warns Shepard about crossing him. 

[GenericPlayer2]

The thing you have to understand about TIM is that he is a master manipulator. If you talk to everyone and read between the lines, you see he is responsible for a lot of crap that goes on in the game. Like the Virmire survivor reaction. He knew that the Collectors wanted Shep, so he planted some information in Alliance intel saying that Shep works for Cerberus and that Cerberus is behind the abductions. Former team mate shows up on Horizon, sure enough Collectors attack, and TIM sends you there. Thus a confrontation is forced that forces you into a fight with the Collectors and an argument with Ash/Kaidan. TIM hits two birds with one stone, more information on Collectors, and alienation from your Alliance team mate - pushing you deeper into Cerberus's agenda. It all became clear to me after talking to Anderson about what happened on Horizon.



The second thing is that this stuff about Cerberus being all about humanity is little more than a recruitment slogan - thats how they get people like Miranda, Jacob and the rest of the crew to sign up.



So its clear to me that TIM will not be out of the picture, he will try to manipulate the circumstances to use Shepard for his agenda. I wish, I pray that ME3 involves one or two missions that involves purging Cerberus and killing TIM - but I think it won't happen. Characters like TIM and the Shadow Broker will be kept around for future games in set in the ME universe

[ExtremeOne]

GenericPlayer2 wrote...

The thing you have to understand about TIM is that he is a master manipulator. If you talk to everyone and read between the lines, you see he is responsible for a lot of crap that goes on in the game. Like the Virmire survivor reaction. He knew that the Collectors wanted Shep, so he planted some information in Alliance intel saying that Shep works for Cerberus and that Cerberus is behind the abductions. Former team mate shows up on Horizon, sure enough Collectors attack, and TIM sends you there. Thus a confrontation is forced that forces you into a fight with the Collectors and an argument with Ash/Kaidan. TIM hits two birds with one stone, more information on Collectors, and alienation from your Alliance team mate - pushing you deeper into Cerberus's agenda. It all became clear to me after talking to Anderson about what happened on Horizon.

The second thing is that this stuff about Cerberus being all about humanity is little more than a recruitment slogan - thats how they get people like Miranda, Jacob and the rest of the crew to sign up.

So its clear to me that TIM will not be out of the picture, he will try to manipulate the circumstances to use Shepard for his agenda. I wish, I pray that ME3 involves one or two missions that involves purging Cerberus and killing TIM - but I think it won't happen. Characters like TIM and the Shadow Broker will be kept around for future games in set in the ME universe

 

If you talk to Edi after she has her blocks removed by the Collector's invasion of the Normandy then you will know that in secret Cerberus and the Alliance are working very close together thats how TIM rebuilt The Normandy. so it is clear that the alliance knows what Cerberus is and has decided to let them be their Military 

[The Lord of Space]

The Angry One wrote...

Oh that's easy, there probably won't be any real bearing on what you say to the Council in ME2.
You'll probably have a choice to go with the Alliance, Spectres or Cerberus regardless of what happens in ME2, though there'll be some extra dialog or whatever if you kept the base or stayed a Spectre or whatever.

Probably the only nugget of truth in this thread.

[Computron2000]

ExtremeOne wrote...
If you talk to Edi after she has her blocks removed by the Collector's invasion of the Normandy then you will know that in secret Cerberus and the Alliance are working very close together thats how TIM rebuilt The Normandy. so it is clear that the alliance knows what Cerberus is and has decided to let them be their Military 

Huh EDI doesn't say that. She says thate the Alliance contractors help fund them. This is the equivalent of Lockheed Martin or BAE, not the actual government military.

The plans for the normandy were stolen, thats it. As for the cooperation with the turians, they influenced it but not demanded or commanded it. Influencing is easily done, just pass a hundred million credits to whoevers in the sub comittee deciding whether to do it or not.

[ExtremeOne]

Computron2000 wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...
If you talk to Edi after she has her blocks removed by the Collector's invasion of the Normandy then you will know that in secret Cerberus and the Alliance are working very close together thats how TIM rebuilt The Normandy. so it is clear that the alliance knows what Cerberus is and has decided to let them be their Military 

Huh EDI doesn't say that. She says thate the Alliance contractors help fund them. This is the equivalent of Lockheed Martin or BAE, not the actual government military.

The plans for the normandy were stolen, thats it. As for the cooperation with the turians, they influenced it but not demanded or commanded it. Influencing is easily done, just pass a hundred million credits to whoevers in the sub comittee deciding whether to do it or not.

 




you know maybe we got two different things from what she said but thats fine. you and the rest of the anti Cerberus and TIM fan boys can keep on hating