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[corebit]

Looking through the Mass Effect Codex I found some interesting entries that describe humanity's first steps towards space travel. As you know it all begins with the discovery of the Prothean ruins in Mars that jumps our technology 200 years forward. The dates go like this:

2080s - Manned research stations in Mars
2103   - First permanent human settlement in Mars
2148   - Discovery of the Prothean ruins

Discounting the obvious science fiction elements like the protheans and
element zero and whatnot, I find the dates very close to our lifetimes (well actually, two generations away from us). Do you think we will be able to attain rudimentary space travel (in real life) by 2080?

[vdeity]

Rudimentary space travel?
We're already there.

Modifié par vdeity, 23 février 2010 - 06:42 .

[Homebound]

Not to mention theres already a manned mission to Mars by 2015 or something.

[OfTheFaintSmile]

Long distance space travels to other galaxies and stars and stuff? Probably not with our current conventional technology, the fuel and time requirements are insane, we'd need a "slingshot" type device like those mass relays or even a wormhole to travel through connecting 2 far points in the universe

Modifié par OfTheFaintSmile, 23 février 2010 - 06:45 .

[Lord Coake]

We'll hopefully have a self-sustaining colony on Mars by 2183.  Failing that, I'm certain we'll have a colony (not necessecairly a self-sustaining one) on the Moon in my lifetime, and I'm 26.

That is, of course, if we can start ignoring and/or permenately silence the idiotic "S0lv3 pr0bl3m5 0n 34r7h 1st!!!!!!!1111oneoneone" crowd long enough to actually make use of the technology we already know how to use.

Modifié par Lord Coake, 23 février 2010 - 06:54 .

[corebit]

vdeity wrote...

Rudimentary space travel?
We're already there.

We can barely fly to the moon, and that was only one time.
I mean real space travel, manned missions and long durations in deep space. A manned mission landing on Mars (just touching down, no colonies or anything) and returning would be an example of that.

I have always dreamed that I would live to see at least humanity touch down on other planets, but with the recent announcement of NASA's budget cut , and its director saying that there won't be any major manned missions for another hundred years, it's really a big letdown

Now I'm starting to believe that by 2080 we won't even reach Mars. Mass Effect's timeline will appear optimistic by comparison.

[corebit]

OfTheFaintSmile wrote...

Long distance space travels to other galaxies and stars and stuff? Probably not with our current conventional technology, the fuel and time requirements are insane, we'd need a "slingshot" type device like those mass relays or even a wormhole to travel through connecting 2 far points in the universe

No nothing like that, but I dream of at least SOME manned travel within our own solar system by the end of this century. It's just so depressing seeing that nobody cares about space and its technology has advanced at snail's pace ever since the landing of the moon.

[dminto29]

corebit wrote...
We can barely fly to the moon, and that was only one time.  

Actually we made it six times in three years not once. As far as going to Mars and such it would be relatively easy if we were willing to spend the money. We proved that with the moon mission. If you dedicate the money, industry, and personnel you can do it.

However with NASA's budget getting cut in the last few weeks it will likely not be the USA that goes back to the moon or makes it to mars but China or India.

[banshee768]

We're far too busy killing and stealing from each other to go look for someone else to victimize. Right now there's no reason to go to the moon or Mars or Alpha Centauri. The reasons for going to the moon in the first place were political, not scientific or exploratory. And since the US is the only country with the resources to pull such a thing off and they're busy killing Arabs and nicking their oil, we won't see anything for awhile. Unless China starts to plan such missions...

[SaulTighsEyePatch]

Too bad the Council hasn't uplifted us yet. Damn those Raloi, they send one dinky probe up into space and suddenly everyone goes ga-ga over it and welcomes them into the galactic community with open arms.

[Mr. MannlyMan]

corebit wrote...

vdeity wrote...

Rudimentary space travel?
We're already there.

We can barely fly to the moon, and that was only one time.
I mean real space travel, manned missions and long durations in deep space. A manned mission landing on Mars (just touching down, no colonies or anything) and returning would be an example of that.

I have always dreamed that I would live to see at least humanity touch down on other planets, but with the recent announcement of NASA's budget cut , and its director saying that there won't be any major manned missions for another hundred years, it's really a big letdown

Now I'm starting to believe that by 2080 we won't even reach Mars. Mass Effect's timeline will appear optimistic by comparison.

We've actually been to the moon 6 times. That's only counting manned landings.

I think it's obvious to all that the only way we'll see big advances in space exploration is through privately-funded corporations; the instant it becomes profitable, you'll have colonies and stations appearing all over our system. I don't see space travel becoming cheap (and thus profitable) for a very long time, though.

Unless we find some kind of extra-terrestrial resource on Mars that becomes a boon to Earth's industries... unobtainium anyone?

[ZOMBO6F]

Thers a jobs program for ya.Exploiting the resources of the solar system.

[cos1ne]

Don't worry in about 30-50 years when China has caught up to Western society, (they're there technologically they just need societal changes). It will create a new space race, between China and _______.



I leave that blank because there are so many options to choose from. Will it be a curveball like the ESA, Brazil or India? Or will it be the USA desperately clinging on to it's superpower status? My money though would be on Russia. They actually won the space race if you really think about it and they have a nationalistic movement going on right now so they'll want to prove themselves to the world.



This will either be very good and force nations to create bases in outer space, or it'll escalate into a terrestrial war that would probably devastate our species and have us wait for the Salarians to bring us up to par with the galaxy.....

[Lord Coake]

ZOMBO6F wrote...

Thers a jobs program for ya.Exploiting the resources of the solar system.

Does this hypothetical Weyland Yutani have a need for an industrial laser tech?  I'll put up with crappy food and cramped quarters to get off this dammed rock and go colonial.

And I know I'm not the only one that'd be willing to say "screw this" and pioneer another planet(oid).

[JFRICH]

If Humanity makes it to Mars within the next 100 years it WON'T be the U.S.A. doing it. We have shortsighted leaders in Washington who don't give a damn about the future of Humankind in space.

[ZOMBO6F]

banshee768 wrote...

We're far too busy killing and stealing from each other to go look for someone else to victimize. Right now there's no reason to go to the moon or Mars or Alpha Centauri. The reasons for going to the moon in the first place were political, not scientific or exploratory. And since the US is the only country with the resources to pull such a thing off and they're busy killing Arabs and nicking their oil, we won't see anything for awhile. Unless China starts to plan such missions...

                  Actually a number of nations have advanced space programs.India,Japan,China,to name a few I can recall off hand.                                                                                                                                                                                        

[The Demonologist]

banshee768 wrote...

We're far too busy killing and stealing from each other to go look for someone else to victimize. Right now there's no reason to go to the moon or Mars or Alpha Centauri. The reasons for going to the moon in the first place were political, not scientific or exploratory. And since the US is the only country with the resources to pull such a thing off and they're busy killing Arabs and nicking their oil, we won't see anything for awhile. Unless China starts to plan such missions...

Hey man. That's -our- oil, even if its in their soil. (As we all clearly know, this entire Earth is America, they just don't know it yet.)


Amurhhhhica.

[ZOMBO6F]

Lord Coake wrote...

ZOMBO6F wrote...

Thers a jobs program for ya.Exploiting the resources of the solar system.

Does this hypothetical Weyland Yutani have a need for an industrial laser tech?  I'll put up with crappy food and cramped quarters to get off this dammed rock and go colonial.

And I know I'm not the only one that'd be willing to say "screw this" and pioneer another planet(oid).

 I'd wanna go just for the view

[Massadonious1]

[screwoffreg]

It entirely depends on this current generation of humans. If Climate Change and Peak Oil are ignored, we will be lucky to survive the century without significant economic, social and political degradation. If we "get on the ball" and start long term planning, we might expand our in our solar system, perhaps even Mars. As for beyond that? FTL travel is impossible according to modern science and unless we break our current understanding of the universe, the only way to travel is the long way with cryogenic freezing or something similar.

[eternalnightmare13]

corebit wrote...

Looking through the Mass Effect Codex I found some interesting entries that describe humanity's first steps towards space travel. As you know it all begins with the discovery of the Prothean ruins in Mars that jumps our technology 200 years forward. The dates go like this:

2080s - Manned research stations in Mars
2103   - First permanent human settlement in Mars
2148   - Discovery of the Prothean ruins

Discounting the obvious science fiction elements like the protheans and
element zero and whatnot, I find the dates very close to our lifetimes (well actually, two generations away from us). Do you think we will be able to attain rudimentary space travel (in real life) by 2080?

Intergalatic space travel?  We've had rudimentary space travel for like over 40 years. 

[corebit]

SaulTighsEyePatch wrote...

Too bad the Council hasn't uplifted us yet. Damn those Raloi, they send one dinky probe up into space and suddenly everyone goes ga-ga over it and welcomes them into the galactic community with open arms.

Yeah, the only other solution is to inflict nuclear winter upon ourselves and wait for the Salarians to uplift us.

[snappyfingers]

No one nation is in such good shape curently(economically, technologically, politically) that they can focus their resources on a mission, which payoff although, scientific, cultural, inspirational, and groundbreaking, is lacking in strategic and economic value.



Furthermore the state of the world economy toady is a bad indicator of what it will be in the future. If one is looking at it from a NASA point of view or the US point of view it is very difficult to warrant funding while the nations economy is poor, the general mood of the population is poor, the nation is engaged in two wars, and overall has got way to much **** on its plate.



However, innovation is inevitable, colonization is also inevitable (simply looking at world history). With this in mind space travel is certain, the time in which it occurs is uncertain and depends, on economic, political, geopolitics, and military strategy, and probably a hell of a lot more factors.



If there is a nation a collection of nations that have technological innovation, economic stability, and political willpower, 2080 does not seem unreasonable at all.

[SaranBlade]

Einstein published his three papers on the photoelectric effect, brownian motion, and relativity within the first 15 years of the past century. It goes to show that not only is our understanding of the universe very incomplete, but also that there is plenty of room for serendipitous discovery to change the course of history. It's impossible to determine one way or another, but it's certainly not impossible.



Sometimes you can discover interesting things by playing with very basic physics equations. The basic concept behind the fast onboard drive in Mass Effect just relies on manipulation of E=MC^2. C is a constant of course, but make M a crazy small number and going at near the speed of light is very possible provided you can create enough energy to do it - eezo solves both problems.



Also, the mass accelerators (i.e. the guns) can be examined from the standpoint of the momentum equation, F=d/dt(mv). Check it out if you're feeling nerdy or physics-savvy.

[corebit]

Sadly human nature dictates it will probably take a major catastrophe like huge nuclear war, hunger, or imminent meteor strike to make us get off our butts and take space travel seriously. By then, will it be too late?



Remember what happened to the Drell? They overpopulated their world to busting levels and so they started killing off each other for the few resources left. Sad ending that is probably going to happen to us too.