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[banshee768]

The Demonologist wrote...

banshee768 wrote...

We're far too busy killing and stealing from each other to go look for someone else to victimize. Right now there's no reason to go to the moon or Mars or Alpha Centauri. The reasons for going to the moon in the first place were political, not scientific or exploratory. And since the US is the only country with the resources to pull such a thing off and they're busy killing Arabs and nicking their oil, we won't see anything for awhile. Unless China starts to plan such missions...

Hey man. That's -our- oil, even if its in their soil. (As we all clearly know, this entire Earth is America, they just don't know it yet.)


Amurhhhhica.

I know you're being sarcastic, but from an outsiders point-of-view, some of you actually seem to be serious about this. Which is kind of frightening, you know.

[The Demonologist]

It's just as frightening from the inside, chuck.

[chaos-zhan]

i wish i could live long enough to see this......

[The Demonologist]

chaos-zhan wrote...

i wish i could live long enough to see this......

Sorry buddy, Jesus took away our stem cells so we can't become Space Marines.

[Darth_Griffin]

dminto29 wrote...

corebit wrote...
We can barely fly to the moon, and that was only one time.  

Actually we made it six times in three years not once. As far as going to Mars and such it would be relatively easy if we were willing to spend the money. We proved that with the moon mission. If you dedicate the money, industry, and personnel you can do it.

However with NASA's budget getting cut in the last few weeks it will likely not be the USA that goes back to the moon or makes it to mars but China or India.

Well, NASA is retiring the Shuttle program this year I think, if I remember correctly. Which means the Russians are going to take over the duty of ISS resupply trips and whatnot at least for the next few years, so it would most likely be them who goes into deep space (hey, they beat the US into space. stands to reason they'll beat the US into DEEP space). Besides the USA is too busy spending money on millitary assets to care about going back into space. (just my opinion, don't hate me for it)


I'm still wanting my device that makes stuff from TV/games/movies real. Then all take my ship (debating of which I would want, the Normandy SR-2 or the BC-304 Odyssey. hmmm) and my crew and go into deep space and explore the universe. I'd still make sure to come back when ME3 comes out though :3

ZOMBO6F wrote...

banshee768 wrote...

We're
far too busy killing and stealing from each other to go look for
someone else to victimize. Right now there's no reason to go to the
moon or Mars or Alpha Centauri. The reasons for going to the moon in
the first place were political, not scientific or exploratory. And
since the US is the only country with the resources to pull such a
thing off and they're busy killing Arabs and nicking their oil, we
won't see anything for awhile. Unless China starts to plan such
missions...

                  Actually a number of nations
have advanced space programs.India,Japan,China,to name a few I can
recall off
hand.                                                                                                                                                                                        

and don't forget Canada.


what?


We have a space program.


Really. We do.

Modifié par Darth_Griffin, 23 février 2010 - 08:41 .

[GreenSoda]

Darth_Griffin
and don't forget Canada.

what?

We have a space program.

Really. We do.

So do we europeans -though for some reason all we seem to care about is shooting satellites into orbit.

Anyhow, personally I'm rather pesimistic about mankind's deep space/colonization efforts.

Colonizing our solar system is a losing game. None of our planets have enough resources to
sustain human life -you actually would have to constantly drain Earth's resources to keep an
outpost (or even a whole colony) afloat. That's something you just can't keep doing for a permanent
stay on another planet.

...and deep space travel / leaving our solar system would need a scientific breakthrough -one that
*falsifies* todays knowledge on traveling at (or near) light speed. Also not happening any time soon.

I'll count myself lucky if I'll witness a man on mars -and even there I'm pesimistic. Sure it's doable
but who will want to pay for it ?
It's obscenely expensive and there's nothing to gain but prestige.

[banshee768]

GreenSoda wrote...

Darth_Griffin
and don't forget Canada.

what?

We have a space program.

Really. We do.

So do we europeans -though for some reason all we seem to care about is shooting satellites into orbit.

Anyhow, personally I'm rather pesimistic about mankind's deep space/colonization efforts.

Colonizing our solar system is a losing game. None of our planets have enough resources to
sustain human life -you actually would have to constantly drain Earth's resources to keep an
outpost (or even a whole colony) afloat. That's something you just can't keep doing for a permanent
stay on another planet.

...and deep space travel / leaving our solar system would need a scientific breakthrough -one that
*falsifies* todays knowledge on traveling at (or near) light speed. Also not happening any time soon.

I'll count myself lucky if I'll witness a man on mars -and even there I'm pesimistic. Sure it's doable
but who will want to pay for it ?
It's obscenely expensive and there's nothing to gain but prestige.

Travelling to other solar systems will likely be done Alien-style, i.e. cryo-something. It will be long, boring and you'll likely never hear from those who left in your lifetime. Assuming they make it in the first place. So yeah, I agree that we're stuck on this tiny rock for at least a couple of hundred more years.
With this in mind, one would think that we would treat the rock better or at least each other, since we're kinda stuck here.. But we'll probably blow it all up, before leaving it, so they might as well give up and start using all that funding on bigger nukes.

[Costin_Razvan]

I think we will be able to do it by that time ( as in settle Mars by 2100 ), maybe even faster.

[Selvec_Darkon]

Not as long as we put buisness and economics before exploration and advancement. At the moment as a race, humans are moving slow as a snail. It all is caused by big buisness to. People choose to become managers and excutives these days over scientiest and enginneers, because you make more money from it and generally end up with a better lifestyle. Big Buisness also as a growing trend of purchasing rights to advancements and holding them back from release to better milk a profit.



These things contribute to a stagnated advancement in comparison to previous ages of mankind.

[Babymax]

JFRICH wrote...
We have shortsighted leaders in Washington who don't give a damn about the future of Humankind in space.

It's not just our leadership. My friends look at me like I'm crazy whenever I talk about advancing the human race through space exploration. I hear it all the time on the radio or on TV, too. Everybody always questioning why we even bother with NASA when we could be using that money for more food stamps.

Yeah, I'm a bit jaded by it all.

[ZOMBO6F]

Even with all our planetary probes we've just scratched the surface of planetary exploration,who knows what minerals will be be found within the next 100 yrs.theres plenty of water in space in different forms.Mars has a lot of sand,maybe it has enough silicates(?) to make glass....glass habitats.?

[tzeraph1]

Think deep space exploration will demand a multi-national-effort.

[Default137]

All depends.

[Default137]

All depends.

Honestly though, we are pretty boned as a race in the long term.

Getting in to space is a massive resource hog, which is one of the reasons we stopped doing it so much, keeping a base running on the Moon or Mars is at the present moment, nearly impossible, and even if every country in the world were to work together, it would still be a gargantuan task.

The thing is, we are squandering what little resources we have right now on Earth on stupid things, and not exactly putting alot of effort into slowing that down, and because of it, we will probably end up quite a bit like Tuchanka or the Drell homeworld in the next hundred to two hundred years, the sad thing is though, even if we did stop wasting everything, even if we combined all our efforts torwards space, even if the stars aligned and we got super lucky, it still wouldn't mean jack squat.

None of the planets in our solar system are mineral rich, at least from what we've been able to tell, and what we have left on Earth won't be enough to get us out of our Local Cluster, let alone past Jupiter most likely, and even if we did have the resources, what would we do with them? Launch a ship full of cyrofrozen people to Pluto in the hopes they don't all die along the way due to small rocks/asteroids/comets/engine failure? What the hell are they going to do on Pluto, there is even LESS resources over there then we have over here.

We are basically stuck in the Sol System, and more likely then not will die in the Sol System.

Modifié par Default137, 23 février 2010 - 10:20 .

[Default137]

All depends.

[Default137]

All depends.

[omgitztommy3]

Massadonious1 wrote...

Lol, just learned about that day in US History class.

Anyways, I'm pretty sure we won't have a colony on Mars in our lifetime, so talking about this is pretty much pointless, although I think we'll have space travel past our galaxy by at least 2775.

[asaiasai]

Sorry to bust all of your bubbles but there is one thing missing in order for our species to crawl off of this rock. Money, not in money here on Earth but money there on mars or what not. If there was literally a reason to go to Mars, like say a major gold or platinum deposit, we would have already been there minning it. As sad as this sounds it is going to be corporations that will take us into space not a government, the corporations will do what corporation always have done, they go where the money is. Cerebrus, you have no idea how close to reality that is, i hope i am wrong, but as i have watched the world turn for 43 years now this is just the pattern of reality i see.



a cynic

Asai

[ZOMBO6F]

Actually,corporations might hamper space exploration to limit the availability of resouces so as to keep prices(see profits) high.

[corebit]

asaiasai wrote...

Sorry to bust all of your bubbles but there is one thing missing in order for our species to crawl off of this rock. Money, not in money here on Earth but money there on mars or what not. If there was literally a reason to go to Mars, like say a major gold or platinum deposit, we would have already been there minning it. As sad as this sounds it is going to be corporations that will take us into space not a government, the corporations will do what corporation always have done, they go where the money is. Cerebrus, you have no idea how close to reality that is, i hope i am wrong, but as i have watched the world turn for 43 years now this is just the pattern of reality i see.

a cynic
Asai

Recently there was news of a discovery that oceans of liquid diamond may exist in Neptune.
Here's the link: http://www.physorg.c...s183044315.html

[Gaddmeister]

eternalnightmare13 wrote...

corebit wrote...

Looking through the Mass Effect Codex I found some interesting entries that describe humanity's first steps towards space travel. As you know it all begins with the discovery of the Prothean ruins in Mars that jumps our technology 200 years forward. The dates go like this:

2080s - Manned research stations in Mars
2103   - First permanent human settlement in Mars
2148   - Discovery of the Prothean ruins

Discounting the obvious science fiction elements like the protheans and
element zero and whatnot, I find the dates very close to our lifetimes (well actually, two generations away from us). Do you think we will be able to attain rudimentary space travel (in real life) by 2080?

Intergalatic space travel?  We've had rudimentary space travel for like over 40 years. 

I doubt we will ever see intergalactic space travel. However, there might be a small probability for interstellar space travel (though I doubt it). And not as soon as 2148, more like 3000 if ever, but what do I know?

Manned research stations on Mars by 2080 is however very probable. As somebody has already said there are already plans for such missions. And once you go there you will have to stay there for months, maybe a year or more because of how the Earth and Mars are aligned (I'm not sure how long but I guess somebody else can help me here). So technically, wouldn't that count as a research station? Settlement by 2103? Well, I doubt it. Perhaps a permanent research station? But that would be expensive I guess.

Call me pessimistic, but I think we're pretty much stuck on Earth. This is where man was born and this is where man will die. 

Modifié par Gaddmeister, 23 février 2010 - 11:49 .

[Frotality]

know how close we are to the future as depicted in 2001: a space oddyssey?


yeah...we're 9 years behind and vastly inferior to that level.

the way current human interests are going, seeing any profitless venture like space travel advance in any significant way within this century would be a miracle.

[Sullax]

I don't think so. Yes, Earth will have a manned mission on mars but I doubt we will ever be able to set up a real colony neither on mars nor moon. Earth has only a limited mass of resources. There is just too few resources to establish such a huge project as a colonization of a dead planet.



Not to mention that Earth is too much distracted with its own critical problems, social and climatic ones. I'm pretty sure Earth or humanity will vanish before we really get the technology to spread out the galaxy. Sad, but it doesnt matter to me, for I will be dust by then.

[ToJKa1]

Gaddmeister wrote...

I doubt we will ever see intergalactic space travel. However, there might be a small probability for interstellar space travel (though I doubt it). And not as soon as 2148, more like 3000 if ever, but what do I know?

Intergalactic space travel? Impossible, even with FTL speeds. Nearest galaxy to Milky Way is Andromeda, that is ~2500000 light years away. Without FTL technology we'll never go beyond our solar system, perhaps it would be possible to reach some of the nearest stars (~4 light years away), but the costs and risks would be enormous. However traveling across the galaxy like in Mass Effect is impossible. Even with FTL technology.

Space. It's damn BIG.

[xSHAD0WENx]

hell 50 years ago they say we be on mars and all that crap. they say we be like the jetsins. we arn't even past the jeffersons right now.



but hay we got our selves a black pres(in the U.S, i know there are other pres that are black in other places). so thats one step closer.



now all we need them to do is make thurmal clips so we don't need ammo. then two months in deside that we do need ammo......what a world we live in..........god the U.S. needs to work on the schools, look how bad my grammar is.