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[didymos1120]

Gandalf-the-Fabulous wrote...
Diddnt the Amercans do somthing similar in Vietnam? They were worried that if South Vietnam became communist then every other country would follow and become communist as well. So to prevent that they sent a lot of soldies into the meat grinder and eventually lost the war. But dispite their predictions that all the other countries would follow and become communist the exact opposite happend and comunisum colapsed from within.

Hasty decisions lead to big mistakes.

Last time I checked the, um, Socialist Republic of Vietnam was still a communist state, even if liberalized in recent years. Cambodia managed to go communist itself (though the role of the Vietnam War in that is debated), but then got invaded by Vietnam in 1978 which resulted another communist government that lasted until 1993. Vietnam kept troops there until 1990.  So is Laos, also something North Vietnam, and later just plain Vietnam, was involved in. Sure, the "Domino" notion was overstating things, but not entirely and it was also not without grounding in historical precedent:  see post-WW2 Eastern Europe, Tibet, North Korea, the Cold War.  It's easy to condemn the initial decision to get involved now, but the overall process of escalation was hardly a hasty one: the policy began during the Eisenhower administration.  You know, the one from the 1950s?  And, just in general, your portrayal of the Vietnam War is absurdly simplistic, but then so is your view of what happened with the geth.

Modifié par didymos1120, 23 février 2010 - 01:41 .

[Klimy]

Grizzly46 wrote...

Darth_Mandalor wrote...

Anyone else think the Quarians are a race of total bastards? Lets have a look at their history, first they think they are above galactic law and perform illegal AI research behind the councils back. With the results of thier illegal AI research they create a race of sentient machines called the Geth who they then enslave to do all their dirty work and torture when they are feeling particularly sadistic (I also assume that the Quarians intended to mass produce the Geth to serve in their armies in their sick and twisted dreams of enslaving all the other races in the galaxy), then when the Geth started asking too many questions and show signs of being an intelligent and caring race the Quarians try to kill them all just for fun dispite the fact that the Geth showed no signs of aggression, the Quarians however got what the deserved and for all their warmongering bloodlust they were banished from their homeworld by their own creations. To add insult to Injury the council who then saw how evil and greedy the Quarians really were banished them from Citadel space.

Even today the Quarians still hold a grudge against the Geth and every other civilized race in Citadel space hiding on their ships until the day when they can either destroy the Geth and take back their homeworld or enslave the Geth once again and use their numbers to take over the Galaxy when all the Geth want is to live in peace.

Even Tali'Zorah who some of the other Quarians say is "the best and brightest their race has to offer" is a poster girl to show just how racist and selfish the Quarians really are. In ME1 all she ever cared about was the migrant fleet, her pilgramage and destroying the Geth, she really came off as self centered and quite frankly a bit of a ****. In ME2 she hasnt changed much. She was very rude when she first came on board the Normandy to Jacob (who tried to offer the hand of friendship) just because he was black. She even tried to kill Legion just because he was a Geth even though he did save her life.

The Quarians are a race of total bastards, the council was right to boot them from the citadel and I sincerly hope we get the option to destroy the Migrant fleet in ME3.

*sigh*

Let's start from the beginning, sir Troll.

They did not research AI beyond the law, but they pushed to the limits of the law. It was not illegal, even if the research bordered on it.

They created the geth to be a manual labour force, not to "torture when they are feeling particularly sadistic" - where the hell did you get that from? There has also been no mentioning of the quarians wanting to enslave the galaxy either - buddy, what ARE you smoking?

The geth started asking questions about if they had a soul - nothing has been said that they were an "intelligent and caring" race. Man, that thing in your pipe must be some strong ****...

The quarians did not try to kill the geth for the fun of it - they panicked, and the geth answered with violence, something that drove the quarians out. Nothing fun in that.

The quarians were not banned from citadel space because of their war lust - they were banished because they created the geth in the first place. Seriously, where do you get your **** from?

Of course the quarians hold a grudge - I would too if my vacuum cleaner would have driven me out of my home. And as far as I know, the reason the quarians plan for war is because they DO NOT KNOW the geth stance in the matter. They only have their own point of view.

Tali did not take Jacob's hand because he was Cerberus, not becuase he was black - in a galaxy where species is the big thing, do you really think someone from another species would care about another's skin colour? I don't know about Legion saving Tali's life either - in your game perhaps, not mine.  Want to PM me your source of that pot?

Epic answer! I want a poster with this answer on my wall, laughed my ass off while reading..... perfect!

[Klimy]

Gandalf-the-Fabulous wrote...

Grizzly46 wrote...

Of course the quarians hold a grudge - I would too if my vacuum cleaner would have driven me out of my home. And as far as I know, the reason the quarians plan for war is because they DO NOT KNOW the geth stance in the matter. They only have their own point of view.

Well if you attacked your vacuum cleaner for absolutely no reason at all then I wouldnt blame it for driving you out of your home. What are you doing attacking vacuum cleaners anyway? 

Dont know about you, Gandalf-the-Fabulous, but if my vacuum cleaner will start speaking, I will probably first freak out, then barikade in the shower and plan my atack on the posessed monster with a hope of getting out of the house and run far far away... but its just me, maybe you are more used to talking vacuum cleaners.

Gandalf-the-Fabulous wrote...

Andaius20 wrote...

"Alarmed that their creations were achieving sentience, the quarian government sent out an immediate order to shut down all geth. Their synthetic servants struck back, killing billions and driving the quarians from their homeworld in what few ships they had left. After forcing the quarians into exile, the geth isolated themselves from the rest of the galaxy..."

Quoted right from the history of the geth in your codex...

I checked my codex I cant see the topic you are refering to, in fact my codex tells me different. Look at the Geth section in the primary codex and you will see it say

"When the Geth showed signs of self evolution, the Quarians attempted to exterminate them. The resulting war led to the Quarians being kicked off their homeworld"

But even if the Quarians just tried to shut them down they wouldnt allow it without a fight. As I said in my previous post if you had an off switch and somebody tried to push it wouldnt you defend yourself?

I didn't read much of ME2 codex, did they change it since ME1 about Geth? because I very much sure that it was as Andaius20 wrote :/

Modifié par Klimy, 23 février 2010 - 01:56 .

[Gaddmeister]

Grizzly46 wrote...

Of course the quarians hold a grudge - I would too if my vacuum cleaner would have driven me out of my home. And as far as I know, the reason the quarians plan for war is because they DO NOT KNOW the geth stance in the matter. They only have their own point of view.

And don't forget the vacuum cleaner almost wiped out your entire family in the process.

[Ryzaki]

Meh. I can't feel bad for either side. Survival of the fittest and all that Jazz.

[Madame November]

Darth_Mandalor wrote...

Anyone else think the Quarians are a race of total bastards? Lets have a look at their history, first they think they are above galactic law and perform illegal AI research behind the councils back. With the results of thier illegal AI research they create a race of sentient machines called the Geth who they then enslave to do all their dirty work and torture when they are feeling particularly sadistic (I also assume that the Quarians intended to mass produce the Geth to serve in their armies in their sick and twisted dreams of enslaving all the other races in the galaxy), then when the Geth started asking too many questions and show signs of being an intelligent and caring race the Quarians try to kill them all just for fun dispite the fact that the Geth showed no signs of aggression, the Quarians however got what the deserved and for all their warmongering bloodlust they were banished from their homeworld by their own creations. To add insult to Injury the council who then saw how evil and greedy the Quarians really were banished them from Citadel space.

Even today the Quarians still hold a grudge against the Geth and every other civilized race in Citadel space hiding on their ships until the day when they can either destroy the Geth and take back their homeworld or enslave the Geth once again and use their numbers to take over the Galaxy when all the Geth want is to live in peace.

Even Tali'Zorah who some of the other Quarians say is "the best and brightest their race has to offer" is a poster girl to show just how racist and selfish the Quarians really are. In ME1 all she ever cared about was the migrant fleet, her pilgramage and destroying the Geth, she really came off as self centered and quite frankly a bit of a ****. In ME2 she hasnt changed much. She was very rude when she first came on board the Normandy to Jacob (who tried to offer the hand of friendship) just because he was black. She even tried to kill Legion just because he was a Geth even though he did save her life.

The Quarians are a race of total bastards, the council was right to boot them from the citadel and I sincerly hope we get the option to destroy the Migrant fleet in ME3.

I disagree, wholeheartedly.

Modifié par November Cousland, 23 février 2010 - 03:51 .

[klossen4]

Gandalf-the-Fabulous wrote...

Selvec_Darkon wrote...

Because Jacob was black.

Or because he was cerberus, like she stated.

Nope the Cerberus thing was just a cover, we all know that Tali hates black people, I mean you dont see Tali show the same hostility to Miranda.

And there i stopped take you seriously even though i think the geth were wronged, but what you said here is just stupid.

Modifié par klossen4, 23 février 2010 - 02:18 .

[bcraig3]

[Besetment]

This is probably the most magnificent thread on the forums right now.



Good show

[Inverness Moon]

Failure OP is failure.

[Ryzaki]

I do want the option of choosing to blow up the Quarians though. Just for the evil lulz.

[Tankkiller1337]

Klimy wrote...

Grizzly46 wrote...

Darth_Mandalor wrote...

Anyone else think the Quarians are a race of total bastards? Lets have a look at their history, first they think they are above galactic law and perform illegal AI research behind the councils back. With the results of thier illegal AI research they create a race of sentient machines called the Geth who they then enslave to do all their dirty work and torture when they are feeling particularly sadistic (I also assume that the Quarians intended to mass produce the Geth to serve in their armies in their sick and twisted dreams of enslaving all the other races in the galaxy), then when the Geth started asking too many questions and show signs of being an intelligent and caring race the Quarians try to kill them all just for fun dispite the fact that the Geth showed no signs of aggression, the Quarians however got what the deserved and for all their warmongering bloodlust they were banished from their homeworld by their own creations. To add insult to Injury the council who then saw how evil and greedy the Quarians really were banished them from Citadel space.

Even today the Quarians still hold a grudge against the Geth and every other civilized race in Citadel space hiding on their ships until the day when they can either destroy the Geth and take back their homeworld or enslave the Geth once again and use their numbers to take over the Galaxy when all the Geth want is to live in peace.

Even Tali'Zorah who some of the other Quarians say is "the best and brightest their race has to offer" is a poster girl to show just how racist and selfish the Quarians really are. In ME1 all she ever cared about was the migrant fleet, her pilgramage and destroying the Geth, she really came off as self centered and quite frankly a bit of a ****. In ME2 she hasnt changed much. She was very rude when she first came on board the Normandy to Jacob (who tried to offer the hand of friendship) just because he was black. She even tried to kill Legion just because he was a Geth even though he did save her life.

The Quarians are a race of total bastards, the council was right to boot them from the citadel and I sincerly hope we get the option to destroy the Migrant fleet in ME3.

*sigh*

Let's start from the beginning, sir Troll.

They did not research AI beyond the law, but they pushed to the limits of the law. It was not illegal, even if the research bordered on it.

They created the geth to be a manual labour force, not to "torture when they are feeling particularly sadistic" - where the hell did you get that from? There has also been no mentioning of the quarians wanting to enslave the galaxy either - buddy, what ARE you smoking?

The geth started asking questions about if they had a soul - nothing has been said that they were an "intelligent and caring" race. Man, that thing in your pipe must be some strong ****...

The quarians did not try to kill the geth for the fun of it - they panicked, and the geth answered with violence, something that drove the quarians out. Nothing fun in that.

The quarians were not banned from citadel space because of their war lust - they were banished because they created the geth in the first place. Seriously, where do you get your **** from?

Of course the quarians hold a grudge - I would too if my vacuum cleaner would have driven me out of my home. And as far as I know, the reason the quarians plan for war is because they DO NOT KNOW the geth stance in the matter. They only have their own point of view.

Tali did not take Jacob's hand because he was Cerberus, not becuase he was black - in a galaxy where species is the big thing, do you really think someone from another species would care about another's skin colour? I don't know about Legion saving Tali's life either - in your game perhaps, not mine.  Want to PM me your source of that pot?

Epic answer! I want a poster with this answer on my wall, laughed my ass off while reading..... perfect!

On the contrary. Altough the user who answered may have superior knowledge of this topic, he may have been more mature in expressing it. It's totally unnecessary to write a "what **** are you smoking?" at the end of your sentence. It just makes you look like 12 year old who discovered that from smoking weed you get high...

[Jensaber]

lololololololololol You epic fail at life Darth_Mandalor. It's a game nothing more. Stop being such a giant douch, get up off your fat arse and stop complaining.

[didymos1120]

Tankkiller1337 wrote...

On the contrary. Altough the user who answered may have superior knowledge of this topic, he may have been more mature in expressing it. It's totally unnecessary to write a "what **** are you smoking?" at the end of your sentence. It just makes you look like 12 year old who discovered that from smoking weed you get high...

So, using an idiom of (relatively) long-standing in the English language means you "look like a twelve year old"?  And what, prithee, are YOU smoking?  BTW, if you personally find such things so "unecessary", just write your posts using as much Basic English possible.  Forgive me, however, if I prefer to read posts indulging in that sort of excessive superfluity (ooh, look: pleonasm.  That's just unecessary!)

Modifié par didymos1120, 23 février 2010 - 04:32 .

[JRCHOharry]

This thread should have been locked 4 pages ago...

[CallingCtulhu]

Guy looks like a certain muppet.

[Lord Exar]

Deiser wrote...

The lack of beards in this topic makes me sad.

[Grizzly46]

[quote]Tankkiller1337 wrote...

[quote]Klimy wrote...

[quote]Grizzly46 wrote...

[quote]Darth_Mandalor wrote...

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Epic answer! I want a poster with this answer on my wall, laughed my ass off while reading..... perfect!
[/quote]

On the contrary. Altough the user who answered may have superior knowledge of this topic, he may have been more mature in expressing it. It's totally unnecessary to write a "what **** are you smoking?" at the end of your sentence. It just makes you look like 12 year old who discovered that from smoking weed you get high...

[/quote]

Just wanted to bring my reply down to OP's level - it was a very long time since I was 12... FYI.

[the120Truth]

Gandalf-the-Fabulous wrote...

Selvec_Darkon wrote...

Because Jacob was black.

Or because he was cerberus, like she stated.

Nope the Cerberus thing was just a cover, we all know that Tali hates black people, I mean you dont see Tali show the same hostility to Miranda.

Tali seemed to get along with my black Shephard

[Ninja Mage]

Tali Zora Mina Llora Bali Lali Bing Bong Boogaz Woogah Indian Hushua Musha Tali LALA!!!!!!!

[Ninja Mage]

Tali sounded like a gypsy

[Flash_in_the_flesh]

You humans are all racist!

[Daxpax]

"She was very rude when she first came on board the Normandy to Jacob (who tried to offer the hand of friendship) just because he was black."



HAHAHA!

[OfTheFaintSmile]

Grizzly46 wrote...

Darth_Mandalor wrote...

Anyone else think the Quarians are a race of total bastards? Lets have a look at their history, first they think they are above galactic law and perform illegal AI research behind the councils back. With the results of thier illegal AI research they create a race of sentient machines called the Geth who they then enslave to do all their dirty work and torture when they are feeling particularly sadistic (I also assume that the Quarians intended to mass produce the Geth to serve in their armies in their sick and twisted dreams of enslaving all the other races in the galaxy), then when the Geth started asking too many questions and show signs of being an intelligent and caring race the Quarians try to kill them all just for fun dispite the fact that the Geth showed no signs of aggression, the Quarians however got what the deserved and for all their warmongering bloodlust they were banished from their homeworld by their own creations. To add insult to Injury the council who then saw how evil and greedy the Quarians really were banished them from Citadel space.

Even today the Quarians still hold a grudge against the Geth and every other civilized race in Citadel space hiding on their ships until the day when they can either destroy the Geth and take back their homeworld or enslave the Geth once again and use their numbers to take over the Galaxy when all the Geth want is to live in peace.

Even Tali'Zorah who some of the other Quarians say is "the best and brightest their race has to offer" is a poster girl to show just how racist and selfish the Quarians really are. In ME1 all she ever cared about was the migrant fleet, her pilgramage and destroying the Geth, she really came off as self centered and quite frankly a bit of a ****. In ME2 she hasnt changed much. She was very rude when she first came on board the Normandy to Jacob (who tried to offer the hand of friendship) just because he was black. She even tried to kill Legion just because he was a Geth even though he did save her life.

The Quarians are a race of total bastards, the council was right to boot them from the citadel and I sincerly hope we get the option to destroy the Migrant fleet in ME3.

*sigh*

Let's start from the beginning, sir Troll.

They did not research AI beyond the law, but they pushed to the limits of the law. It was not illegal, even if the research bordered on it.

They created the geth to be a manual labour force, not to "torture when they are feeling particularly sadistic" - where the hell did you get that from? There has also been no mentioning of the quarians wanting to enslave the galaxy either - buddy, what ARE you smoking?

The geth started asking questions about if they had a soul - nothing has been said that they were an "intelligent and caring" race. Man, that thing in your pipe must be some strong ****...

The quarians did not try to kill the geth for the fun of it - they panicked, and the geth answered with violence, something that drove the quarians out. Nothing fun in that.

The quarians were not banned from citadel space because of their war lust - they were banished because they created the geth in the first place. Seriously, where do you get your **** from?

Of course the quarians hold a grudge - I would too if my vacuum cleaner would have driven me out of my home. And as far as I know, the reason the quarians plan for war is because they DO NOT KNOW the geth stance in the matter. They only have their own point of view.

Tali did not take Jacob's hand because he was Cerberus, not becuase he was black - in a galaxy where species is the big thing, do you really think someone from another species would care about another's skin colour? I don't know about Legion saving Tali's life either - in your game perhaps, not mine.  Want to PM me your source of that pot?

Error on your second point. The codex specifically states the Quarians planned to use the Geth as tools of war.

This idea is further reinforced by the hardliner Admiral Xen who sends an email detailing her thoughts on taking back the Quarian homeworld, re-enslaving the Geth, and using them to possibly conquer the galaxy (implied by her in the email about the "largest army in the galaxy")

[thegreateski]

Ten very good reasons why you should grow a giant beard

Modifié par thegreateski, 24 février 2010 - 12:06 .