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[spottyblanket]

He never hunted mages. And I mean murderer as not in field of battle, see Wynne

Leliana and Zev, Shale? Didn't Alister ever hunt mages? I'm sure he mentions he did. He is pretty orange alert around Morrigan anyhow.

[Wishpig]

Wournos wrote...
I cannot answer the question of the original poster. I haven't tried playing a bad guy/girl yet. It would be very difficult for me because it's not in my nature to be exessively evil. Arrogant and bullying, yes. Evil... not so much.
Another reason to skip Sten is that he's terrible at surviving any battle. So far he's the first one to go down no matter how hard I try.

To be fair, two-handed warriors can be very good and very effective (especally at higher levs), but you have to play them as a rogue/warrior and only attract aggro in emergencies. Their trickier to set up right, but can be HIGHLY effective, dealing out as much damage as a dual-wield warrior while being able to wear much better armor.

Also to be fair, poor sten is worse then Oghren, given Oghren's abilities and 2 speclizations points, but this is offset by being able to (akwardly) get Sten at the start.

Modifié par Wishpig, 23 février 2010 - 11:40 .

[Herr Uhl]

spottyblanket wrote...

He never hunted mages. And I mean murderer as not in field of battle, see Wynne

Leliana and Zev, Shale? Didn't Alister ever hunt mages? I'm sure he mentions he did. He is pretty orange alert around Morrigan anyhow.

He never became a real templar. Leli and Zevran killed people as per their profession, not in field of battle. Shale killed his old master, not field of battle. Sten killed a family. Oghren killed a guy in an arena where you should not kill people. Morrigan, I don't know if she ever killed people that didn't try to kill her first, so she is a grey-zone.

[spottyblanket]

At least I get approval from Sten by giving Kaityln and her brother money, among other things. Sten has honour. Morrigan would disaprove if I saved a drowning kitten. 0_o (Sten likes kittens...psssh).

Modifié par spottyblanket, 23 février 2010 - 11:44 .

[Tekbear]

there is one thing all grey wardens have in common: they have nowhere else to go - that makes sten an excellent choice for a companion

[Kr0gan]

I hate Sten so much, i wanted an option to kill him when he challenge me for the leadership of the party... in fact, i hate Qunari, they are some kind of ****s if they believe they "improve" or help to "grow" the people that they conquer, i hope the Tevinter Empire kick their asses before they invade Ferelden (as Sten points as possible).

[Wournos]

Wishpig wrote...

Wournos wrote...
I cannot answer the question of the original poster. I haven't tried playing a bad guy/girl yet. It would be very difficult for me because it's not in my nature to be exessively evil. Arrogant and bullying, yes. Evil... not so much.
Another reason to skip Sten is that he's terrible at surviving any battle. So far he's the first one to go down no matter how hard I try.

To be fair, two-handed warriors can be very good and very effective (especally at higher levs), but you have to play them as a rogue/warrior and only attract aggro in emergencies. Their trickier to set up right, but can be HIGHLY effective, dealing out as much damage as a dual-wield warrior while being able to wear much better armor.

Also to be fair, poor sten is worse then Oghren, given Oghren's abilities and 2 speclizations points, but this is offset by being able to (akwardly) get Sten at the start.

I have only used Oghren during A Paragon of Her Kind and he was much better than Sten has been so far. Not sure if Oghren's abilities change if you get him late or not. But he did well anyway. For me, Sten is just a pain in the backside. But I will still give him a chance. ...or more of them. For a while...

[Maria Caliban]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Because she talks with deities that has "left mankind" in her dreams. Most of the chantry also would believe her as crazy.

Most of the Chantry (the originization) would view her as heretical.

However, mysticism and occult off-shoots have existed for every religion. I would not be surprised if the streets of Val Rouxyl were lined with people claiming to hear/see/sniff the Maker and Andreste, and offer you a fortune telling with the help of friendly spirits, and give you the Maker's blessing, and sell you a pinch of Andreste's Ashes to cure whatever ails you.

Unless the Chantry makes sure to constantly hunt down this sort of thing, you'll see behavior like that in every major city and mixed with the native pagan beliefs in villages. And we can guess they don't bother as you have a lay sister who freely tells her peers that she gets visions from the Maker.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 23 février 2010 - 12:28 .

[Herr Uhl]

If she gets a following, she'd probably get hunted down. Right now, she is harmless. Tevinter chantry and the rest of the chantry will probably get a falling out sooner or later, but the Qunari have put a stop to that for now at least.

But one woman getting "visions" does not constitute enough of a threat to be taken as a threat (bad grammar is bad), since she also is doing good work in the process (whatever she does, never really got that). Killing or silencing single persons would give the church bad pr.

Edit: But maybe I project too much of old catholic church on what I think.

Modifié par Herr Uhl, 23 février 2010 - 12:36 .

[Axekix]

Haha, funny seeing this thread as I was just thinking about this when I started a new playthrough last week. Freeing Sten just seems like a bad decision based on the info you have at the time... yeah the Wardens are desperate but could you really trust an admittedly homicidal giant at your back?



He doesn't even explain why he did it til much later (and that explanation actually makes it worse imo).



I like to think Lelianna and Morrigan persuade my PCs into giving him a chance since they actually stick up for him in game. But it always feels like it's against my better judgment

[urvashi]

I agree with you OP, it is difficult to justify recruiting Sten from a role playing point of view. It's also difficult to rp recruiting Zevran. Those are pints in the game where I end up metagaming rather than roleplaying if I want to take them along.

In Sten's case, I stopped recruiting him several playthroughs ago. The more I got to know him, the less I liked him. I don't want to 'earn' his respect, he has failed repeatedly to earn mine. I don't even go talk to him in Lothering anymore. At least ignoring him fits into my roleplaying, lol.

[Maria Caliban]

Herr Uhl wrote...

If she gets a following, she'd probably get hunted down. Right now, she is harmless. Tevinter chantry and the rest of the chantry will probably get a falling out sooner or later, but the Qunari have put a stop to that for now at least.

But one woman getting "visions" does not constitute enough of a threat to be taken as a threat (bad grammar is bad), since she also is doing good work in the process (whatever she does, never really got that). Killing or silencing single persons would give the church bad pr.

Edit: But maybe I project too much of old catholic church on what I think.

Right, if she became a threat to the Chantry, they'd care, but what does that mean? Haven had a several centuries old town just sitting in Ferelden that had their own, special version of Andreste and no one noticed. If she ended up at court, she could become a Rasputin and the Chantry wouldn't touch her because they don't want to anger the royal family.

To some extent, I'm projecting from the middle-ages catholic church as well. Heretical thoughts were rampant among common people because they couldn't read, couldn't understand Latin, and their religious observances were mixed in with pre-Christian ideas and practices. On the other hand, you have sects like the Gnostics who supposedly were wiped out in the 1200s, but whose philosophy and ideas remained popular with intellectuals.

Which is all my round about way of saying that a human in Ferelden might know the teachings of the Chantry while still having no problem going "Hey, that sister says the Maker sends her visions. Sounds likely."

[Herr Uhl]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Which is all my round about way of saying that a human in Ferelden might know the teachings of the Chantry while still having no problem going "Hey, that sister says the Maker sends her visions. Sounds likely."

Yup it's harmless crazy. If the visions weren't true and she truly believes them, then she would be slightly crazy per definition.

So she is either crazy or a prophet, and most would believe her to be slightly off. Still most would have no problem with that, since she seems tolerant to everybody of differing faith.

[Phoenix Swordsinger]

spottyblanket wrote...

He never hunted mages. And I mean murderer as not in field of battle, see Wynne

Leliana and Zev, Shale? Didn't Alister ever hunt mages? I'm sure he mentions he did. He is pretty orange alert around Morrigan anyhow.

No. Alistair never hunted mages. There is a conversation you can have with him where he states he never did.

[Phoenix Swordsinger]

Sten becomes a much better warrior once you get good armor on him. My favorite is Sophia's. And once you get to know him, I like him. I think by end game and it's time for him to head home, his opinion has changed just a little. If you listen to the conversations he and Shale have, He's quite philasophical.

[knittzu]

I found it a really tough call, too. Why on earth would I free and drag along this hulking creature who murdered an entire innocent family? But your companions are urging you to at least set him free. It was total meta-gaming on my first run though to bring him along and I'm glad I did because he's a great character, but it's awfully hard to come up with a RP reason why any of my characters would give him a chance. It makes perfect sense why the *Grey Wardens* as a group would take him, but for Alistair and the PC Grey Warden? It doesn't make much sense to me. If he went insane and killed an entire family a few weeks ago, he could easily go insane and wipe out my camp while we slept tomorrow night.



So for my RP, I kept him unarmed and stationed at camp until I got to know him. Even after I got to know him, handing him a sword didn't seem like my best-ever decision.

[Sabriana]

Morrigan might not have killed anyone with her own hands, but she tells an interesting story about the game of "templar hunting" she played with mom. Needless to say, the templars did not survive the game.

My PC did not want the Qunari left as darkspawn fodder, she has seen what they do in the tower. Morrigan, Leliana, and

Alistair are all for releasing the Sten.

He does mention he feels guilty, and  he did wait for the templars to come and arrest him.

My PC is woefully understaffed, and needs all the help she can get. Not only does she need to criss-cross the lands to enforce the treaties, she also found out that the GW had a bounty on their heads.

Same goes for Zevran. Some of the things he says make sense to my PC. Also, he is a slave, and wants to quit the Crows. If she helps him, he'll help her.

As for Shale, my PC can only hope that she was nothing but a malfunctioning machine when she killed Wilhelm, and not a big, strong piece of sentient rock who thought "Damn, he goes on my nerves." *Squish*

Does she trust any of them? No she doesn't not even Wynne with her 'thing' in her. She will be on guard until she know them better. Her trusted hound, and Alistair will be on the look-out for trouble on the horizon.

So immediate trust for any but Alistair and Dog  - no, but she definitely needs them.

[FieryDove]

Wournos wrote...

His name is acctually Sten. ...though Sven is an equally nerdy Swedish name.

His rank is Sten, not name.

onomastikon wrote...

I am asking: Why would a Grey Warden save Sten, even if it required no effort? 
I think Sten is a bad role-playing obstacle, one of the very few in this game, for me. Let me elaborate.
My first run-through, I was playing a dwarven warrior who if not lawful good was neutral good leaning pretty lawful.

The entire world is full of shades of grey. As to recruiting, why recruit half the people we do? Grey Wardens take all allies. And this is really in the wrong forum for this discussion.

[Herr Uhl]

FieryDove wrote...

Wournos wrote...

His name is acctually Sten. ...though Sven is an equally nerdy Swedish name.

His rank is Sten, not name.

It is what everybody calls him. So it's his name and title.

[Dethanos]

I really have no problem with recruiting Sten. Freeing him always made sense to me. At that point in the story, it seems like following the PC is basically a suicide mission. I'm willing to take anyone desperate or crazy enough to follow me. The Lothering Templars don't have time to deal with a prisoner, and leaving him in a cage with the darkspawn coming is not an option. With me, he won't be allowed to harm any more innocents, and he may still be of use to Ferelden. Pardoning a murderer is a small price to pay when you're fighting a war for the survival of your people.

[Tragick Flaw]

Fycan wrote...

He's like Shale, who I don't recruit.
They are both murderers
and through their first dialogues they clearly stated they don't feel
ashamed nor guilty about anything they did. And that's why I cannot take them with me.
I consider these 2 even worst than Loghain, at least Loghain was doing it for the people of Ferelden, these 2 guys... pffffffff

Are you trying to apply black and white morality to a gray morality setting? And worst than Loghain, because he was allowing deaths for the 'good of Ferelden'?

[Envor44]

Grey Warden need all help they can get...beside Sten is great character and useful to do damage from early to midgame.

[Vicious]

If you didn't have to give up Alistair to do it, I'm pretty sure everyone would recruit Loghain too.

[xXDWARFAREXx]

Well, being a Grey Warden requires a 'lot' of killing. And Sten happens to be 'very' good at killing.

[Nic-V]

Sten is, hands down, my favorite character in the game. My Warden recruited him because he seemed like he could be a great warrior to add to my team.