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[Suilebhain]

knittzu wrote...

So for my RP, I kept him unarmed and stationed at camp until I got to know him. Even after I got to know him, handing him a sword didn't seem like my best-ever decision.

This is pretty much what I did, though I kept him armed with whatever I didn't want to discard and didn't want to carry. From a roleplay perspective, I was willing to recruit bandits if I thought they would be pressed into duty (the ones at the entrance to Lothering). Considering the threat facing the land, and the lack of help, help is needed wherever it can be found.

Remember, your character is relatively young and somewhat sheltered, so this sudden burst of authority might go to one's head, thinking that all one needs to do is say, "follow me, I am a grey warden" and they fall into line. Plus, the idea of  "help me or be consumed by the oncoming terror" seems enough incentive to get people to join up. Safety in numbers, and all.

Sten = Klingon
Once you get this, it is easy to see where all the savage behavior coupled with a fierce sense of honor comes from. Also, think Apache, Hun, whatever warrior civilization from earth history may help to put into perspective why you would see a warrior in a cell and not see a monster in a cage. This is a fairly savage world where kings are murdered frequently, after all.

[_LordKain_]

I love how some of you talk about these characters like they're real people. lol

[Rylor Tormtor]

Herr Uhl wrote...

spottyblanket wrote...

He never hunted mages. And I mean murderer as not in field of battle, see Wynne

Leliana and Zev, Shale? Didn't Alister ever hunt mages? I'm sure he mentions he did. He is pretty orange alert around Morrigan anyhow.

He never became a real templar. Leli and Zevran killed people as per their profession, not in field of battle. Shale killed his old master, not field of battle. Sten killed a family. Oghren killed a guy in an arena where you should not kill people. Morrigan, I don't know if she ever killed people that didn't try to kill her first, so she is a grey-zone.

Actually, there is some ambiguity whether Shale killed Wilhelm or not. And remember, Wilhelm was summoning demons in the basement.

EDIT: In addition, there are many valid reasons for brining him along that can sync up with your origin stories. For example, my first playthrough as a HN I kinda ignored him after recruiting. But as a CE, having just marched through a human castle painting the walls with blood, I had no problem recruiting the big lug. Regardless of stated reasons, who knows what treachery the shems could have been involved in, and if it was a misunderstanding, it was an understandable one. In addition, while Quanari society could be considered sexist, overtly regimented, and hate mages, nevertheless a society that allows the social mobility of elves based on merit is one that has some redeeming values.

People are quick to judge a character that is completely removed from his own social cotext, one that has been strickly regimented and watched his fellows die in a darkspawn attack. Sten is the last one to justify his actions or make excuses for them, but to go any further would give needless spoilers, which of course, since you didn't recruit him, you wouldn't know about them.

Modifié par Rylor Tormtor, 23 février 2010 - 03:28 .

[Cypher Ash]

Fycan wrote...

He's like Shale, who I don't recruit.
They are both murderers
and through their first dialogues they clearly stated they don't feel
ashamed nor guilty about anything they did. And that's why I cannot take them with me.
I consider these 2 even worst than Loghain, at least Loghain was doing it for the people of Ferelden, these 2 guys... pffffffff

Shale is not a murder.

Wilhelm died because he was experimenting on Shale which caused him to become a berseker.

[Nerdage]

Well the wardens recruit fighters, first and foremost, Duncan tells you in the dwarf noble origin after you find him and tell him about the exile that the wardens don't judge past deeds (or something like that). Seems to me only an evil character wouldn't recruit him, since your only concern as a warden should be the blight and recruiting help to fight it, but then I liked sten... It also makes more sense to recruit him if you have Alistair in your group and not Morrigan, because he drops a hint about qunari fighters if she isn't there.
Also, why is this in Awakening discussion?

Modifié par nerdage, 23 février 2010 - 04:22 .

[Loerwyn]

Whilst I also tend to play "lawful good", it's hard to say with Sten. I don't think he's evil at all, he just comes from an incredibly different and (by comparison) restrictive culture, which is something I think you'd notice more as a female GW.

He's a noble, honor bound warrior whose culture is just so much different. Just because he believes different things, it doesn't make him evil in any sense (however, I don't think killing that family was his best idea, but he was blinded by rage).

The Grey Warden would recruit him as he's obviously a capable fighter and that's what is important. He swears to help the Warden as part of his task to his people, and he follows through with it. He doesn't have to be eloquent or chatty, he just has to swing his sword at the end of the day.

[Alandros]

The way you recruit Sten is just how Duncan recruits everyone, often people who are either accused of horrible things or possibly guilty of such and gives them an option of life in service.

[NightmarezAbound]

Why release Sten? Your quest is to gather forces, and weapons against the darkspawn. And Sten is a veteran soldier, from a race of warriors where all they do is conquer what they come across.

So take it as this, you are a young PC who has seen some fights, but not an extended war. Your first taste of Battle, not a fight. But Battle is most likely at Ostagar. Then you have Alistair who admits Duncan even kept him out of battles due to his heritage. Then you have a Witch of the Wild and as far as youknow a former cloistered sister with some combat training. But none of them sound like veteran soldiers.

So now you meet a VETERAN of not just fights and battle, but of WAR. Someone who is born and bred to wage war. Someone who is always in the state of the battlemind, singularly focused on defeating his opposition. And every other character in the group has a word of that to leave him in the cage would be cruel, or that he is a powerful and noble creature. So why wouldn't you recruit him?

[Dansayshi]

Sten had some real potential to be an amazing char. It just seems he was rushed. Practical side he just has no place in the squad, alistar is your tank, lelianna is your lockpicker and morrigan is your lulz kill char + yourself. It doesnt help with him having NO gear at all either and only 1 specialisation point. Shame imo.



1st time I pld through I 4got to get the key for the cage.

2nd time I pld through the only interaction I had with him was freeing him and then tracking his sword down.

[Sabriana]

nerdage wrote...

Well the wardens recruit fighters, first and foremost, Duncan tells you in the dwarf noble origin after you find him and tell him about the exile that the wardens don't judge past deeds (or something like that). Seems to me only an evil character wouldn't recruit him, since your only concern as a warden should be the blight and recruiting help to fight it, but then I liked sten... It also makes more sense to recruit him if you have Alistair in your group and not Morrigan, because he drops a hint about qunari fighters if she isn't there.
Also, why is this in Awakening discussion?

It's actually funnier if both, Morrigan and Alistair are present. Like I said, Leliana, Morrigan and Alistair all want the PC to get Sten out of that cage. I have the three of them there, and Alistair always talks about Qunari fighters.

[KnightofPhoenix]

It would be a waste to let him rot in a cell. Besides, he willingly puts himself under arrest, which made me think he was regretful somehow. Doesn't really matter. He is a giant who can fight. Bring him along.

[Nerdage]

Sabriana wrote...

nerdage wrote...

Well the wardens recruit fighters, first and foremost, Duncan tells you in the dwarf noble origin after you find him and tell him about the exile that the wardens don't judge past deeds (or something like that). Seems to me only an evil character wouldn't recruit him, since your only concern as a warden should be the blight and recruiting help to fight it, but then I liked sten... It also makes more sense to recruit him if you have Alistair in your group and not Morrigan, because he drops a hint about qunari fighters if she isn't there.
Also, why is this in Awakening discussion?

It's actually funnier if both, Morrigan and Alistair are present. Like I said, Leliana, Morrigan and Alistair all want the PC to get Sten out of that cage. I have the three of them there, and Alistair always talks about Qunari fighters.

Really? I thought if morrigan was there she'd tell you to free him out of mercy and lock alistair up instead, can't remember hearing both of them talking, but I guess it's been a while.

[zaim298]

Does it matter?... you recruited a delusional bard, a flirtatious assassin. a piece of drunkard of a warrior, a bird hating golem... I think among all the companions. Sten is the only one who fits a description of "potential recruits"

[Suilebhain]

_LordKain_ wrote...

I love how some of you talk about these characters like they're real people. lol

There is no response to this that would not sound snide, including this one.

[Dansayshi]

zaim298 wrote...

Does it matter?... you recruited a delusional bard, a flirtatious assassin. a piece of drunkard of a warrior, a bird hating golem... I think among all the companions. Sten is the only one who fits a description of "potential recruits"

Heh, when I first got Lelianna, I thought, ok, shes a believer, when I got through the game, I learnt shes a phsycopath.
When resurrected after a fight she says "ooooo look, my bruises form a pretty pattern"
She watches you sleep, WATCHES YOU SLEEP! 
When shes in battles and screams "I tried to show mercy" she just shot the guy in the face!

Near the end of the game, out of the entire group she seemed most likely to kill you in your sleep.

[Cutlass Jack]

I had huge RP issues with recruting Sten. Mainly because he says absolutely nothing in his own defense. Doesn't deny he did what he did. Doesn't offer even the tiniest motivation as to why it happened. Something to inspire you to take a chance on him.

The extremely out of character comments by your party members make it even worse. "Even someone who murdered innocent women and children doesnt deserve to be killed by the darkspawn." um...Huh? Weren't you the same people who said Loghain should die in a horrid fashion for what he did? Who are you and what did you do with my real party members?

Certainly the Wardens have a history of conscripting practicality. However they bind that person to the cause with the Joining ritual. Obviously we can't do that.

There's no denying Sten is a great character and ultimately you do get his motivations and come to understand him. But at the time...geez. It takes an extreme moment of Metagaming at the time to let him out.

[Rhinna]

I love Sten. My first playthrough I never really spent a lot of time with him. My second I wanted to check out more of the characters I left by the wayside the first playthrough. He's amazingly complex, and if you don't have the patience to feed him the right answers, you are gonna get frustrated. Like someone said before, Sten is literal. Also think Buddhist - I have a friend that is one, and honestly, sometimes it's incredibly frustrating when you are trying to get a point across - reminds me SO much of Sten LOL. (especially that conversation at camp where you wind up talking in circles...if you break the conversation off early enough, you get major brownie points)



Why take him? yeah, he murdered a family, but he expressed regret, he's a huge hulk, put a few points in dex for him and he's unstoppable. When you are in Lothering you have a dog, an apostate, and a tank that has to stop and blow his nose every two minutes during a fight cos he can't stop crying. Grey Wardens take what they can get in times of need, and I can't think of a better time of need.



It would be nice to know his real name though. I haven't found it on any playthroughs though *hints to writers for DA2*

[Nerdage]

Dansayshi wrote...

zaim298 wrote...

Does it matter?... you recruited a delusional bard, a flirtatious assassin. a piece of drunkard of a warrior, a bird hating golem... I think among all the companions. Sten is the only one who fits a description of "potential recruits"

Heh, when I first got Lelianna, I thought, ok, shes a believer, when I got through the game, I learnt shes a phsycopath.
When resurrected after a fight she says "ooooo look, my bruises form a pretty pattern"
She watches you sleep, WATCHES YOU SLEEP! 
When shes in battles and screams "I tried to show mercy" she just shot the guy in the face!

Near the end of the game, out of the entire group she seemed most likely to kill you in your sleep.

But I guess she wasn't psychotic enough for you to keep her out of your tent, hmm?

[Dansayshi]

I didnt keep any1 out of my tent lol, polygamy mod ftw.

[Cutlass Jack]

LostScout wrote...

I let him out the first time I played the game, had never visited the forums and had no knowledge of later events.  It takes no metagaming to let him out, just the awareness that you are badly in need of help.  I even tried to recruit the bandits who accosted me before Lothering, gave them the "Gray Warden Choice" and they chose death.

I'm talking about my first unspoiled playthrough as well. The only reason I let him out was due to my companion's overhelmingly out of character comments. They were practially beating me over the head with hints that he's a new party member. Nothing in what he actually said prior to me unlocking that door inspired me to bring him along, let alone trust him with a weapon.

Just Sten being Sten of course and I do love him. But the dialogue there needed some work to inspire you to take a chance on him. Even Zev gives you more motivation, and he actually did try to kill you. Later playthroughs I just had to force myself to ignore the dialogue and just open the door. It would be tragic to miss out on the fun that is Sten just because of that.

[zaim298]

To be honest, the only reason I released him is coz his voice and the way he speaks intrigues me. I thought to myself, hmmm there is something about this dude that I just have to figure out what... so I released him...



to Leliana - okay so you dream that God tells you to follow me?...mkay...ah who gives a crap, i need another girl in my party...



to Zevran - u talk a lot, and it looks like you're hitting on me... hmmm but i dun have any elves in my party...alryt jump in...



Oghren - i juz love ur way with the women (while i'm bringing morrigan and leliana during the paragon quest)... you're in buddy...



Wynne - u dun look too bad for an old mage... ok hop in i need ur healing spell...

[spottyblanket]

I recruited Sten because of his sexy voice *hides in shame*