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[Wolfaura]

On my first play through I never recruited Sten. He just gave me a creepy feeling.

2nd playthrough I decided to recruit those I didn't. He does seem very narrow minded and set in his ways. He can't seem to see the bigger picture. The qunari sound like a harsh ppl how they treat women and mages.



He is easy to get to friendly. And he did seem like he respected my warden. And like Leliana says he's probably a big softie. I kind of grew to like him though.

[ryot124]

..... Why does everybody think recruiting sten makes the Warden a bad guy.. Sure, he killed a bunch of innocents, so did zevran, the assassin, Morrigan would lure templars into the forest to kill them with Flemeth, and dont even get me started on Dog the crimes hes commited long long list........

[zykinwulf]

he's freaking huge, and wields a two handed sword to squish darkspawn with?

[LadyDamodred]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

Now that's one motivation to go, to get a much needed breather and to get away from celebration and revelry when your character feels little reason to celebrate. Just be sure to bring dog and lots of cookies.

Indeed.  I try to make sure my characters decisions fit with whatever backstory I give them.  That's why when I had Alistair executed (curiosity got the better of me, and dear god, watching scenes were you betray Alistair makes me sick to my stomach) I went with Zevran after we killed the AD.  She figures he knows how it feels to betray people you love.  >.>

As far as people saying it makes no sense to recruit Sten, it just depends on how you play an RPG like this.  My imagination is ridiculously overactive, so I like creating lots of background stories for my chars.  If you do that, it's quite easy to justify all of your decisions in the game.  If your char chooses to let Sten die in the cage instead of recruiting him because that is what fits your character, I think that's all kinds of awesome.  Better that than simply recruiting him because you think you have to.

[Dick Delaware]

Wolfaura wrote...

On my first play through I never recruited Sten. He just gave me a creepy feeling.
2nd playthrough I decided to recruit those I didn't. He does seem very narrow minded and set in his ways. He can't seem to see the bigger picture. The qunari sound like a harsh ppl how they treat women and mages.

He is easy to get to friendly. And he did seem like he respected my warden. And like Leliana says he's probably a big softie. I kind of grew to like him though.

I don't think the qunari are harsh in how they treat women - mages perhaps, but not women. True, it's very narrow-minded, but I don't think Sten is a misogynist (I'm aware you didn't say that, but others have in the past). There's nothing I've found to indicate women suffer the same way that say, mages do. A misogynist is someone who hates women. Sten believes that women have some strictly defined roles in life (artisan, farmer, etc.) that don't include being on the battlefield, but he does not hold any scorn for them. Then again, being qunari, Sten believes EVERYBODY has a strictly defined duty in life that they must follow for the greater good of their community, not just women.

 Yes, they are an incredibly rigid people who believe that freedom of choice does not enter into people's lives, but a lot of the game indicates that they really take care of each other and have a very close community. 

I think that there are plenty of reasons to recruit Sten. He seems regretful (weren't you curious why he let himself be arrested after killing the people in the farmhold?) and is a great warrior among a nation of warriors. When you meet him in Lothering, it's probably just you, Alistair, and the Dog, so you need all the help you can get. The Grey Wardens in general make it a policy to take any assistance from allies who are willing to aid them, so it's easy to justify taking him along.

It's actually tougher to justify taking Zevran along, to be honest.

Modifié par Dick Delaware, 24 février 2010 - 03:52 .

[ejikvkaske]

To me Sten was a big disappointment in terms of his fighting ability. I can deal with his personality. At first it was even amusing, although later on, between him, Shale, and Morrigan you get a triple dose of cynicism.

Personality aside, Sten is a big hulking giant of a man...and a rather useless fighter. Quinari are supposed to be the best soldiers. For some reason Sten percieved strength is not reflected in his stats. Hell, Oghren, who's a midget in comparison, can have the same strength, plus an extra specialization, plus his dwarven resistance.

So really, Sten is kind of a joke. On the outside he's big, mean, tough looking, uncompromizing killing machine. And yet, where it really matters, he is bested by a drunk dwarf.

[Drasanil]

Myusha wrote...
To a Grey Warden, the end justifies the means. Thus, idealistically, Golems and Werewolves should be in the final battle, with Mages, Dwarves, and Redcliffe's Knights.

According to your scenario you should actually end up siding with Zathrian not the Werewolves. The Wardens have a treaty with the Dalish (all the Dalish not just that tribe) and keeping a long term ally happy is more important than burning bridges in order to get a new buddy of questionnable value. It would be like if the US declared war on Great Britain because the Irish Republican Army promised to be their friends.

[Dick Delaware]

Not a perfect analogy. The Dalish are old allies, but there is an immediate threat and the Elves are in no shape to help you. Also, Zathrian is lying to you so that you can do his dirty work. The whole reason for siding with the werewolves is that a pragmatic, ruthless Warden would realize the value of the wolves as perfect, motivated, rage-filled killing machines.

[mhendon]

I played a goody two shoes warden. Basically her deal was that anyone who genuinely wanted to atone deserved her mercy. My first play through I knew nothing about Sten. I was irritated by his coldness but I could see that he truly regreted what he did. Sten looks for atonement in his own cold and focused way. He's not looking for someone to pity him. If you ask "And if I don't lead you to atonement?" he will say "I will find it myself." He's determined to atone for what he did. He's a strange character, stoic to the end but I still found a way to respect and feel for sten, even if I didn't understand or agree with many of his philosophies. In the beginning I actually regretted saving him but after much hard work he opened up and I understood. I completely understand why you dislike him, but I gave him chance with much effort and felt good about it in the end.

[mhendon]

Also, what does this have to do with awakening?

[Dick Delaware]

Nothing, Sten just rules.

[Fishy]

OnlyShallow89 wrote...

Whilst I also tend to play "lawful good", it's hard to say with Sten. I don't think he's evil at all, he just comes from an incredibly different and (by comparison) restrictive culture, which is something I think you'd notice more as a female GW.
He's a noble, honor bound warrior whose culture is just so much different. Just because he believes different things, it doesn't make him evil in any sense (however, I don't think killing that family was his best idea, but he was blinded by rage).
The Grey Warden would recruit him as he's obviously a capable fighter and that's what is important. He swears to help the Warden as part of his task to his people, and he follows through with it. He doesn't have to be eloquent or chatty, he just has to swing his sword at the end of the day.

No

The big difference's you're a Warden not Sten.Sten's just s Qunari following you.Like most of the group but Allistair.They never took the ritual .. You just accept their help because ... well ... every damn Warden were killed and you don't know the preparation before doing the ritual.

[Dawnielle]

Sten is VERY deep, Ive recruited him 6 times. He locked himself in that cage. You learn alot about the Quniari, and why they are the way they are. He is VERY sorry. I am glad as a warden I recruited him, Very useful and great guy.

[Dawnielle]

mhendon wrote...

I played a goody two shoes warden. Basically her deal was that anyone who genuinely wanted to atone deserved her mercy. My first play through I knew nothing about Sten. I was irritated by his coldness but I could see that he truly regreted what he did. Sten looks for atonement in his own cold and focused way. He's not looking for someone to pity him. If you ask "And if I don't lead you to atonement?" he will say "I will find it myself." He's determined to atone for what he did. He's a strange character, stoic to the end but I still found a way to respect and feel for sten, even if I didn't understand or agree with many of his philosophies. In the beginning I actually regretted saving him but after much hard work he opened up and I understood. I completely understand why you dislike him, but I gave him chance with much effort and felt good about it in the end.

well said.
(Sad Whine)

[spottyblanket]

Lol. I remember a time when I bought him a gift and when I gave it to him i didn't get any approval all he said was
" What am I going to do with this?" or something like that.


Hahahah, what gift was that?

My warden quite likes Sten, she acts on his advice a lot. Like with the Harromount/Balin problem. I was going with Harrowmount and decided to see what the other side was, Sten said: Choosing one is no different from the other. And I thought: You know what, you are right Sten. Screw this political nonsense! And stuck with my choice.

[Feraele]

So?



I had almost full aproval of Sten and that only lead me to discover that i prefered him quiet. He spend all the time judging others according to his rigid culture (and superior according to him) and talking crap about humans, something curious because Qunari seem to have the same faults.



--------end quote-----



Well thats Sten, and far as that is concerned everyone has faults. Humans do for sure.



I think Sten is just suffering from culture shock, as many things he sees humans do..just clash with his upbringing/training. He was trained to be a warrior..he doesn't know anything else.

So the human culture allows women to be fighters, this doesn't mesh with the way of the Qunari.



But he does eventually come around and see that these other things are actually possible.



As for how they treat their mages, well..its kind of backward..isn't it.

[Wishpig]

Many people don't seem to get why a few of us find the Sten recruitment weird. Obviously he's strong and looks like he's a warrior. Which would certainly be helpfull to a gray warden.



All you know is he killed a bunch of innocent farmers.



Is it smart to have a big giant by your side? Yes. As a grey warden are you kind of desperate? Yes.



Is it smart to have a some crazy innocent killing giant you know NOTHING about watching your back? No, infact I would call it utterly stupid. No matter how desperate you are, it's a bad idea that puts your cause and your life at extreme risk and thus the mission.



I trusted Zevran and Loghain FAR more because at least I knew something about them.



I just think the Sten recruitment segment was poorly done.

[Maria Caliban]

Has anyone mentioned that Sten is sexy? Those sensous, brooding lips. That bronze, muscular body.

[Herr Uhl]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Has anyone mentioned that Sten is sexy? Those sensous, brooding lips. That bronze, muscular body.

That is a given. It's like mentioning that the sky is blue or that Leliana loves small furry things.

[Morroian]

If I had confirmation that Sten was actually guilty of murder before recruiting him I probably wouldn't, but it was still very ambiguous at that point unlike say Loghain who by the time you get the opportunity to recruit you knew was in league with the person who murdered your family, betrayed you and the king at Ostagar and tried to kill you. Once I found out Sten was in fact guilty I had some sort of a relationship with him and he was clearly on the path to redemption.

[Wishpig]

Morroian wrote...

If I had confirmation that Sten was actually guilty of murder before recruiting him I probably wouldn't, but it was still very ambiguous at that point unlike say Loghain who by the time you get the opportunity to recruit you knew was in league with the person who murdered your family, betrayed you and the king at Ostagar and tried to kill you. Once I found out Sten was in fact guilty I had some sort of a relationship with him and he was clearly on the path to redemption.

I thought he strait out said he did it, and it sure wasn't a lie.

[Ken555]

Sten I find just finds the fact that some women can fight weird.

[ReubenLiew]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

Has anyone mentioned that Sten is sexy? Those sensous, brooding lips. That bronze, muscular body.

That is a given. It's like mentioning that the sky is blue or that Leliana loves small furry things.

Furry as well as furless. She just like small things.

[Herr Uhl]

ReubenLiew wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

Has anyone mentioned that Sten is sexy? Those sensous, brooding lips. That bronze, muscular body.

That is a given. It's like mentioning that the sky is blue or that Leliana loves small furry things.

Furry as well as furless. She just like small things.

So she doesn't mind it shaved I take it?

[ReubenLiew]

I think she'd preferred it >.>

Now all I need is Rufus the hairless molerat and I can go fight crime in Fereldan.