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[Zanilla]

I am wondering if you have ever thought of  some "missing" decisions, things you wanted to decide but couldn't because the game didn't allow you to.

For example, I would have liked executing Anora. And other stuff, but I don't want to influence the posting too much.

So share your deepest wishes :happy:

[Reaverwind]

1) Option C for the mage origin.

2) Executing Anora works for me

3) Being able to invoke the Right of Conscription long before the Landsmeet

Modifié par Reaverwind, 23 février 2010 - 03:10 .

[Sabriana]

Being able to be persuaded by Zevran's plea for the lives of the mages in the tower quest.

[errant_knight]

Sabriana wrote...

Being able to be persuaded by Zevran's plea for the lives of the mages in the tower quest.

I don't understand. You can save the mages. Or are you talking about the one's who've turned into abominations already? I've never had Zevran at the tower, so I've never heard that what he says.

[ejoslin]

errant_knight wrote...

Sabriana wrote...

Being able to be persuaded by Zevran's plea for the lives of the mages in the tower quest.

I don't understand. You can save the mages. Or are you talking about the one's who've turned into abominations already? I've never had Zevran at the tower, so I've never heard that what he says.

The problem is, if you have Zevran and Wynne in your party, Zevran pleads for their lives, very eloquently.  But all you can do is basically tell him your mind is made up, and if you do a persuade check, he will make a comment about it's probably not the best idea listening to an assassin's idea of morality.  However, Wynne then attacks.  it would be nice if after he pleads for them, if you'd be able to let him convince you (as may happen at other times) and then you don't have Wynne attacking you.  Of course, you can still save the mages -- well, all but one.

[Reaverwind]

errant_knight wrote...

Sabriana wrote...

Being able to be persuaded by Zevran's plea for the lives of the mages in the tower quest.

I don't understand. You can save the mages. Or are you talking about the one's who've turned into abominations already? I've never had Zevran at the tower, so I've never heard that what he says.

You'll get Zevran's plea to save the mages only when you side with Cullen. At that point, the game locks you into agreeing with Cullen, but ironically, you can still save the mages. Turns out the dialogue with Cullen has little impact on the Broken Circle quest itself.

Edit: Hmmm, in addition to having other choices, I wish decisions mattered more. I wish siding with Cullen changed the flow of battle with Uldred, so you don't find yourself in the ridiculous position of having to drag out the battle to ensure Irving goes down. I also wish some of the major decisions made were a little less black-and-white - the Broken Circle being a case in point.

Modifié par Reaverwind, 23 février 2010 - 05:03 .

[10 Steps Back]

I wanted to just imprison Howe I always thought that death was too good an escape for him. I wanted so bad that he live the rest of his life as a prisoner.



I wanted him tortured but since my Cousland was a goody two shoes he would have settled for Howe's imprisonment.

[Sandtigress]

ejoslin wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

Sabriana wrote...

Being able to be persuaded by Zevran's plea for the lives of the mages in the tower quest.

I don't understand. You can save the mages. Or are you talking about the one's who've turned into abominations already? I've never had Zevran at the tower, so I've never heard that what he says.

The problem is, if you have Zevran and Wynne in your party, Zevran pleads for their lives, very eloquently.  But all you can do is basically tell him your mind is made up, and if you do a persuade check, he will make a comment about it's probably not the best idea listening to an assassin's idea of morality.  However, Wynne then attacks.  it would be nice if after he pleads for them, if you'd be able to let him convince you (as may happen at other times) and then you don't have Wynne attacking you.  Of course, you can still save the mages -- well, all but one.

You get something similar with Alistair when you first meet Wynne.  If they're going to have one of your party members do pleading like that, you really should be able to relent afterwards.


I really would have liked a way to let Teagan take over Eamon's place.  But I suppose that's meta-gaming to some extent, and forces you to do the Haven quest.  Still, my evil blood mage saw no reason to save the old guy when his brother was willing to help us too, except that perhaps Teagan isn't as politically powerful as Eamon.  Had it been up to him though, we wouldn't have gone looking for a bunch of ashes of some dead woman on the off-chance that something he didn't believe in might cure the arl.  He's not really the type to do things without promise of reward or assurance it would work.

[ejoslin]

Sandtigress wrote...

You get something similar with Alistair when you first meet Wynne.  If they're going to have one of your party members do pleading like that, you really should be able to relent afterwards.


I really would have liked a way to let Teagan take over Eamon's place.  But I suppose that's meta-gaming to some extent, and forces you to do the Haven quest.  Still, my evil blood mage saw no reason to save the old guy when his brother was willing to help us too, except that perhaps Teagan isn't as politically powerful as Eamon.  Had it been up to him though, we wouldn't have gone looking for a bunch of ashes of some dead woman on the off-chance that something he didn't believe in might cure the arl.  He's not really the type to do things without promise of reward or assurance it would work.

Hmmm, I've taken Alistair to the tower more times than not and I don't remember anything that was like the plea that Zevran gives if you side with Cullen.  Then again, I do remember Zevran's comment to Wynne at the start -- makes me wonder why she was so awful to him!  I know Alistair comments, but I really don't remember it being a plea for anyone's life.

[mousestalker]

Well, there is one decision that more or less ruined the mage origin for me. Do I: A) rat Jowan out to the First Enchanter or Help my 'friend' with his half baked plan which leaves me holding the bag?

I would have liked: C) I can't help you Jowan as I'm leaving for Ostagar to join the Grey Wardens.

It would have kept the Mage Origin short (which is apparently what the writers wanted) and been true to character (which would have kept me happy) as well as setting up the next encounter with the whiny blood mage at Redcliffe.

Modifié par mousestalker, 23 février 2010 - 05:15 .

[Sandtigress]

ejoslin wrote...

Sandtigress wrote...

You get something similar with Alistair when you first meet Wynne.  If they're going to have one of your party members do pleading like that, you really should be able to relent afterwards.


I really would have liked a way to let Teagan take over Eamon's place.  But I suppose that's meta-gaming to some extent, and forces you to do the Haven quest.  Still, my evil blood mage saw no reason to save the old guy when his brother was willing to help us too, except that perhaps Teagan isn't as politically powerful as Eamon.  Had it been up to him though, we wouldn't have gone looking for a bunch of ashes of some dead woman on the off-chance that something he didn't believe in might cure the arl.  He's not really the type to do things without promise of reward or assurance it would work.

Hmmm, I've taken Alistair to the tower more times than not and I don't remember anything that was like the plea that Zevran gives if you side with Cullen.  Then again, I do remember Zevran's comment to Wynne at the start -- makes me wonder why she was so awful to him!  I know Alistair comments, but I really don't remember it being a plea for anyone's life.

When you first confront Wynne, if you tell her that you're going to destroy the Circle (I forget the actual context, I don't remember if I was siding with the Templars or just destroying the Circle ), Alistair will plead with you not attack Wynne.  Poor guy, I'm kind of surprised he hasn't just killed my blood mage and done all the treaty gathering himself at this point.

Modifié par Sandtigress, 23 février 2010 - 05:18 .

[Reaverwind]

mousestalker wrote...

Well, there is one decision that more or less ruined the mage origin for me. Do I: A) rat Jowan out to the First Enchanter or Help my 'friend' with his half baked plan which leaves me holding the bag?

I would have liked: C) I can't help you Jowan as I'm leaving for Ostagar to join the Grey Wardens.

It would have kept the Mage Origin short (which is apparently what the writers wanted) and been true to character (which would have kept me happy) as well as setting up the next encounter with the whiny blood mage at Redcliffe.

Well, at ratting him out does provide you the option to tell Jowan his foolish plan was doomed from the start ( if you're playing a female mage, at least ). Makes me feel slightly better about going that route.

[ejoslin]

Sandtigress wrote...

When you first confront Wynne, if you tell her that you're going to destroy the Circle (I forget the actual context, I don't remember if I was siding with the Templars or just destroying the Circle ), Alistair will plead with you not attack Wynne.  Poor guy, I'm kind of surprised he hasn't just killed my blood mage and done all the treaty gathering himself at this point.

Oooh, ok, no I don't think I've ever done that there.  I need to try -- I like hearing Alistair when he's impassioned!

[Sabriana]

I agree with you Mousestalker.

I liked Jowan, and true enough, his voice is whiny most of the time, but I truly felt horrible that he would be forced into becoming a tranquil. I think this whole 'tranquil' business stinks to high heaven. However, I think the templars, the chantry, Isolde, and Loghain are just as much to blame for his misdeeds at Redcliffe as he is

Why does the "Set him free, if he can evade the templars he deserves a shot at freedom" persuade *never* work? Unless your PC tells him to 'git' he will face either death or tranquility, and I don't think he deserves it.

If he is set free, he has a quest of his own that shows that he is basically a nice guy. Too bad that this quest is so full of bugs, though.

[Special_Agent_Goodwrench]

Turture Howe VERY slowly and VERY painfully. I was very dissapointed there was no such option. (DLC, Bioware! DLC!!)



Take Jowan with me or at least let him be free.



Save Ser Otto (I liked the poor sob).



Adopt Amethyne (Iona's daughter). I really felt bad for the kid.



Burn Marjolaine alive at a stake.

[Sandtigress]

Sabriana wrote...

I agree with you Mousestalker.
I liked Jowan, and true enough, his voice is whiny most of the time, but I truly felt horrible that he would be forced into becoming a tranquil. I think this whole 'tranquil' business stinks to high heaven. However, I think the templars, the chantry, Isolde, and Loghain are just as much to blame for his misdeeds at Redcliffe as he is
Why does the "Set him free, if he can evade the templars he deserves a shot at freedom" persuade *never* work? Unless your PC tells him to 'git' he will face either death or tranquility, and I don't think he deserves it.
If he is set free, he has a quest of his own that shows that he is basically a nice guy. Too bad that this quest is so full of bugs, though.

If you set Jowan free though, that means you have to kill Connor, yes?

[Reaverwind]

Sandtigress wrote...

Sabriana wrote...

I agree with you Mousestalker.
I liked Jowan, and true enough, his voice is whiny most of the time, but I truly felt horrible that he would be forced into becoming a tranquil. I think this whole 'tranquil' business stinks to high heaven. However, I think the templars, the chantry, Isolde, and Loghain are just as much to blame for his misdeeds at Redcliffe as he is
Why does the "Set him free, if he can evade the templars he deserves a shot at freedom" persuade *never* work? Unless your PC tells him to 'git' he will face either death or tranquility, and I don't think he deserves it.
If he is set free, he has a quest of his own that shows that he is basically a nice guy. Too bad that this quest is so full of bugs, though.

If you set Jowan free though, that means you have to kill Connor, yes?

Only if the Circle has fallen.

[Sandtigress]

Who gives you the option to go there? Alistair or Wynne or Morrigan? Cause its Jowan who brings up the other ways possible for an abomination to be saved.

[10 Steps Back]

DrunkDeadman wrote...

Torture Howe VERY slowly and VERY painfully. I was very dissapointed there was no such option. (DLC, Bioware! DLC!!)

Adopt Amethyne (Iona's daughter). I really felt bad for the kid.

I agree with these two best, but as in my previous post I would also welcome an imprisonment for life option.

And concerning Iona's daughter, damn I was hoping I get a dialogue option with her where I could help her out I mean she doesn't even know what happened to her mother.

[e-ver]

Hm, it's not so much a decision, but more additional dialogue, but I'd really like to have the possibility to put Eamon in his place when he starts planning how to get Alistair on the Throne.
I wish I could tell him to shut up about Alistair's duty as Maric's son and his duty to Ferelden and remind him that Alistair has already enough duties as it is, being a Grey Warden. Also, while I'm certainly far from being a fan of Alistair's, I hate how Eamon uses him for his own schemes. He sent him of to the Chantry as a child, because he wasn't able to stand up to his hag of a wife and now when Alistair becomes useful again, he's trying to guilt him into doing something that Alistair was never prepared for.

So, telling Eamon that if he want's to bring down Anora, he'll have to take the crown himself instead of using a manipulable puppet like Alistair is one desicion I miss.

[Reaverwind]

Sandtigress wrote...

Who gives you the option to go there? Alistair or Wynne or Morrigan? Cause its Jowan who brings up the other ways possible for an abomination to be saved.

Alistair will always mention the Circle when another character mentions entering the Fade using lyrium. Either Wynne, Morrigan or your PC mage will mention the lyrium alternative. I've not tried playing without Alistair in the party - so don't know who else mentions the Circle.

[Sandtigress]

Reaverwind wrote...

Sandtigress wrote...

Who gives you the option to go there? Alistair or Wynne or Morrigan? Cause its Jowan who brings up the other ways possible for an abomination to be saved.

Alistair will always mention the Circle when another character mentions entering the Fade using lyrium. Either Wynne, Morrigan or your PC mage will mention the lyrium alternative. I've not tried playing without Alistair in the party - so don't know who else mentions the Circle.

Hmm, okay.  Maybe one of my characters will give Jowan his break some day.  Normally they leave him in his cell or tell him he can go and help - we've never told him to actually leave before.  Not that meta-gaming should have any role in their decisions, but you know. :-P  Actually, my commoner dwarf would be pretty good for this, having just come from a life of crime herself.  She doesn't see much use for mages, so I could see her just telling him to get out of there....as long as she doesn't just kill him outright, anyways.

[Special_Agent_Goodwrench]

10 Steps Back wrote...

DrunkDeadman wrote...

Torture Howe VERY slowly and VERY painfully. I was very dissapointed there was no such option. (DLC, Bioware! DLC!!)

Adopt Amethyne (Iona's daughter). I really felt bad for the kid.

I agree with these two best, but as in my previous post I would also welcome an imprisonment for life option.

And concerning Iona's daughter, damn I was hoping I get a dialogue option with her where I could help her out I mean she doesn't even know what happened to her mother.

Imprisonment won't work for my Warden. Pain and suffering for Howe are the only options she will be satisfied with.

As for Amethyne, I was kicking myself for the whole day because I couldn't do anything for her. Especialy the part where she wonders when her mother will be coming back from Highever. It almost brought tears to my eyes. You hurt my heart Bioware! *Shakes fist*

[Sabriana]

@ Sandtigress

A dwarf would be a good PC to play that through, because dwarfs neither fear magic nor do they view it as a bad thing. Dagna (the sweetest NPC in any game, ever) calls mages "a great natural resource."



Other than that, Allerleihrau, ftw. I agree completely.

My PC's don't romance Alistair past a certain point, but boy, that Eamon sure makes me froth at the mouth.

[Reaverwind]

Sandtigress wrote...

Reaverwind wrote...

Sandtigress wrote...

Who gives you the option to go there? Alistair or Wynne or Morrigan? Cause its Jowan who brings up the other ways possible for an abomination to be saved.

Alistair will always mention the Circle when another character mentions entering the Fade using lyrium. Either Wynne, Morrigan or your PC mage will mention the lyrium alternative. I've not tried playing without Alistair in the party - so don't know who else mentions the Circle.

Hmm, okay.  Maybe one of my characters will give Jowan his break some day.  Normally they leave him in his cell or tell him he can go and help - we've never told him to actually leave before.  Not that meta-gaming should have any role in their decisions, but you know. :-P  Actually, my commoner dwarf would be pretty good for this, having just come from a life of crime herself.  She doesn't see much use for mages, so I could see her just telling him to get out of there....as long as she doesn't just kill him outright, anyways.

Alright, just tried playing through without Alistair in the party (yay for test saves!) - and PROVIDING someone mentions the lyrium route, Bann Teagan himself will mention the Circle Tower.

That does it, I want Teagan as a romance option.