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marshalleck wrote...

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I trust Legion. And I also had no problem with the "heretic" part. If anyone remembers a Tali mission in ME1, you had to gain information about the Geth for Tali. Information from Geth not under the control of Saren, I might add. Now, if all Geth were working for Sovereign, then that whole bit about finding Geth intell would have been pointless. Also, there was the Geth you killed that was listening to Quarian music. Why would a synthetic army be listening to the music of a lowly organic meatbag?


If there is such a thing as Heretic Geth, then the information you retrieved from them is from the Heretic Geth, because you got it from the ones in their forward bases in the Armstrong Cluster, which were (according to Admiral Hackett) a vanguard for invasion.

Which Geth was listening to Quarian music? THat's very interesting, I don't think I ever noticed that.



The geth weren't listening to quarian music. They used a quarian singing a lament as a signal that their mission, whatever it was, had failed. People argued about why AIs would use such a signal. In hindsight, it makes a lot more sense if we believe that those geth were not under Saren's control and were in fact up to something that was not a precursor to invasion.


Just found the info on the ME wiki and both of my points were during the Geth Incursion mission. All the memories of that game are bleeding together. My bad. Still seems odd that they would use a Quarian lament instead of their own language if those were under Saren's control.

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marshalleck wrote...

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I trust Legion. And I also had no problem with the "heretic" part. If anyone remembers a Tali mission in ME1, you had to gain information about the Geth for Tali. Information from Geth not under the control of Saren, I might add. Now, if all Geth were working for Sovereign, then that whole bit about finding Geth intell would have been pointless. Also, there was the Geth you killed that was listening to Quarian music. Why would a synthetic army be listening to the music of a lowly organic meatbag?


If there is such a thing as Heretic Geth, then the information you retrieved from them is from the Heretic Geth, because you got it from the ones in their forward bases in the Armstrong Cluster, which were (according to Admiral Hackett) a vanguard for invasion.

Which Geth was listening to Quarian music? THat's very interesting, I don't think I ever noticed that.



The geth weren't listening to quarian music. They used a quarian singing a lament as a signal that their mission, whatever it was, had failed. People argued about why AIs would use such a signal. In hindsight, it makes a lot more sense if we believe that those geth were not under Saren's control and were in fact up to something that was not a precursor to invasion.


They weren't exactly peaceful either. The second your Mako shows up, their turrets and snipers start shooting...

As for them using a Quarian Lament (I think I remember which part we're talking about now,) well, if you're secretly building bases and want to remain hidden, would you use a signal that could be construed as a stray Quarian radio signal, or would you broadcast in Geth Stutter?

As an analogy, there's a reason people imitate owl hoots when they're signaling something at night, rather than just screaming "ARE WE READY TO ATTACK, GUYS?!" :)

Modifié par Creston918, 23 février 2010 - 11:40 .


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Just found the info on the ME wiki and both of my points were during the Geth Incursion mission. All the memories of that game are bleeding together. My bad. Still seems odd that they would use a Quarian lament instead of their own language if those were under Saren's control.



They weren't under Saren's control, and they weren't planning on invading. They were just observing. And I'm quite sure that the quarian lament had emotional significance to them. It would be far too big a coincidence, especially in a fictional work.

They weren't exactly peaceful either. The second your Mako shows up, their turrets and snipers start shooting...

 
What did you expect? Organics who run across geth always attack them. It's pretty unavoidable that the same happens vice versa in situations like that. 

Modifié par Lightice_av, 23 février 2010 - 11:41 .


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Lightice_av wrote...

People argued about why AIs would use such a signal. In hindsight, it
makes a lot more sense if we believe that those geth were not under
Saren's control and were in fact up to something that was not a
precursor to invasion.



No. They were a listening post. If you pay attention, Legion talks about those. They observe the organic civilizations from the fringes of their space. And the fact that they chose that music as their signal indicates emotional attachment to it. It's not a coincidence that they chose a song of that particular style and content, to be sure.


Right...that's what I was saying. That whole mission in ME1 makes a lot more sense once you listen to what Legion tells you. If he's lying, then we're back to square one with that mission not making a whole lot of sense.

I was citing it as an example that the geth/heretic concept wasn't just cooked up for ME2, it was hinted at in ME1.

Modifié par marshalleck, 23 février 2010 - 11:44 .


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Thats what I was getting at. The whole two factions of Geth were slightly refrenced in ME1, only a bit hidden. They only shot at you because you posed a threat. Sure you hadn't fired a shot yet, but they would be wary of anyone coming up to a scoutting party.

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Creston918 wrote...
As an analogy, there's a reason people imitate owl hoots when they're signaling something at night, rather than just screaming "ARE WE READY TO ATTACK, GUYS?!" :)



Right, why not just use some sort of human broadcast then since they are on the fringes of human space? This is grasping at straws a bit.

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Lightice_av wrote...

But if you have a program, why should a program "like" anything. There is just no reason, no necessity. It has been created for a purpose and, considered its selfawareness, adds the survival instinct to this purpose. Why should it bother with adding stuff like "empathy" etc.? What for? What would be the gain?


First, emotions motivate sentient beings. An emotionless individual has no drive to do anything. If an AI is capable of being fond of people it's supposed to protect, it can be far more effective in this goal than an AI that just coldly follows misson parameters. Emotions are an important aspect of intuition and decision-making skills, and a good AI needs both to fulfill its functions. And if you want to make a sapient AI to work with humans, you damn well need to make it capable of empathy, unless you deliberately want to invoke bad sci-fi clichés.

And on what do you base your claim that they have a concept for right or wrong? I mean in an ethical way? I think Legion even explains that they don't have that on his loyalty mission.


You failed to listen. Legion explains that the Heretics don't share your pity, remorse or fear - a Terminator shout-out, by the way. Not only does Legion speak about the Heretics, rather than the geth as a whole, but it also refers to a series of specific emotions. Lacking certain emotions does not equal being entirely emotionless, and Legion demonstrates several emotional responses during its stay on the Normandy.
But you were talking about ethics, something that Legion does not refer to in that scene. Don't you remember what Legion says about the geth motivations in general? It effectively explains the geth framework of thought towards other races as that everyone has the right to define their own course in life so far as they do not adversely affect others. This is an ethical guideline. It's rudimentary and straightforward, which is why I believe it's origin is the geth themselves, rather than quarian moral philosophers. It's also notable in that it encourages isolationism as opposed to cooperation, as it involves fear of assuming harmful aspects from other cultures, as opposed to desire to learn good aspects from them - undoubtedly the result of their traumatic awakening to self-consciousness. But whether or not you fully agree with it, it is a moral guideline.

People argued about why AIs would use such a signal. In hindsight, it
makes a lot more sense if we believe that those geth were not under
Saren's control and were in fact up to something that was not a
precursor to invasion.



No. They were a listening post. If you pay attention, Legion talks about those. They observe the organic civilizations from the fringes of their space. And the fact that they chose that music as their signal indicates emotional attachment to it. It's not a coincidence that they chose a song of that particular style and content, to be sure.


As far as i understand Legion, the only difference between heretics and hmm orthodox is evaluation of alien technology and the attitude towards leaving others be or not.
Apart from that i always understood that both parts of the geth are identical and share the same networks and datapools. Therefore, if Legion talks about pity, remorse or fear, he talks about all geth. 
And i think it's not far fetched to assume, that if the geth lack these, that they lack empathy etc as well. It would be strange to think that they have some feelings but exactly the ones mentioned above are missing.

I agree that "each sapient shall have its own future" is a moral standard. And it would indeed ensure peaceful co-existence for organics and the geth that share that belief.

But what if resources are getting rare? What if organics want to contact the geth? Is it considered an intrusion? Where are the limits? Why not, for example, kill everyone that comes too close to the geth - home? Even just to say "hi"? That would not determine the future of the visitors race but also cause no ethical trouble for the geth either. And better be safe than sorry... 
Just random directions of thoughts where i see issues with the whole concept...

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I want to point out that Legion's theme is awesome.

Unrelated, well yes.

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But what if resources are getting rare?


All your others points seem to be valid, but to answer about that...the Galaxy is VAST. There's no way resources are getting rare before the completion of their superstructure. 

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Lightice_av wrote...

Just found the info on the ME wiki and both of my points were during the Geth Incursion mission. All the memories of that game are bleeding together. My bad. Still seems odd that they would use a Quarian lament instead of their own language if those were under Saren's control.



They weren't under Saren's control, and they weren't planning on invading. They were just observing. And I'm quite sure that the quarian lament had emotional significance to them. It would be far too big a coincidence, especially in a fictional work.

They weren't exactly peaceful either. The second your Mako shows up, their turrets and snipers start shooting...

 
What did you expect? Organics who run across geth always attack them. It's pretty unavoidable that the same happens vice versa in situations like that. 


That's a bit shaky ground, though, isn't it? "I'm gonna shoot at you pre-emptively, because someone who looks like you has attacked me before."

Again, if this was the Peace-Geth faction, they weren't really ACTING very peaceful. If all you want to do is be left alone, it's not exactly smart to start building listening posts in the Armstrong Cluster (ie, beyond the Veil), start shooting at the first thing that shows up, and then fly in more troops in an effort to wipe out what you're shooting at. None of that yells "We're peaceful!" to me.

If this was a race that wanted to be left alone and is peaceful, it would have made more sense for them to try to ignore your Mako/pretend there's nobody home. Then, if the Mako DOES attack your listening post, abandon the other ones and withdraw.

It's hard to claim that you weren't being aggressive when you're the one who shoots first. :)

(Of course, we're veering into collissions between gameplay mechanisms and lore here. The Geth were the Enemy in ME1, ergo, they shoot at you. I'm also fairly convinced that the Heretic faction, IF real, did not exist back when ME1 was created. It reeks of something that was added for ME2.)

I would argue that the Armstrong Cluster was a forward base for the Citadel assault. (And obviously not the only one of its kind.) and thus belonged to non-peaceful Geth. Whether they be a heretic faction or just the overall Geth who are now trying to schmooze up to us.

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marshalleck wrote...

Creston918 wrote...
As an analogy, there's a reason people imitate owl hoots when they're signaling something at night, rather than just screaming "ARE WE READY TO ATTACK, GUYS?!" :)



Right, why not just use some sort of human broadcast then since they are on the fringes of human space? This is grasping at straws a bit.


Not really. They have access to Quarian data. They know Quarians far better than any other race. Ergo, if they want to use something organic, they'd use something Quarian.

It's no more a stretch than saying that the Geth in the Armstrong Cluster were really friendly, and had built five bases protected by a Collossus, because they wanted to sit there and ponder the deeper mysteries of the Quarian Lament and wanted to be left alone. Despite shooting at everything that moves.

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This has just lapsed into confirmation bias now.

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Creston918 wrote...

Lightice_av wrote...

Just found the info on the ME wiki and both of my points were during the Geth Incursion mission. All the memories of that game are bleeding together. My bad. Still seems odd that they would use a Quarian lament instead of their own language if those were under Saren's control.



They weren't under Saren's control, and they weren't planning on invading. They were just observing. And I'm quite sure that the quarian lament had emotional significance to them. It would be far too big a coincidence, especially in a fictional work.

They weren't exactly peaceful either. The second your Mako shows up, their turrets and snipers start shooting...

 
What did you expect? Organics who run across geth always attack them. It's pretty unavoidable that the same happens vice versa in situations like that. 


That's a bit shaky ground, though, isn't it? "I'm gonna shoot at you pre-emptively, because someone who looks like you has attacked me before."

Again, if this was the Peace-Geth faction, they weren't really ACTING very peaceful. If all you want to do is be left alone, it's not exactly smart to start building listening posts in the Armstrong Cluster (ie, beyond the Veil), start shooting at the first thing that shows up, and then fly in more troops in an effort to wipe out what you're shooting at. None of that yells "We're peaceful!" to me.

If this was a race that wanted to be left alone and is peaceful, it would have made more sense for them to try to ignore your Mako/pretend there's nobody home. Then, if the Mako DOES attack your listening post, abandon the other ones and withdraw.

It's hard to claim that you weren't being aggressive when you're the one who shoots first. :)

(Of course, we're veering into collissions between gameplay mechanisms and lore here. The Geth were the Enemy in ME1, ergo, they shoot at you. I'm also fairly convinced that the Heretic faction, IF real, did not exist back when ME1 was created. It reeks of something that was added for ME2.)

I would argue that the Armstrong Cluster was a forward base for the Citadel assault. (And obviously not the only one of its kind.) and thus belonged to non-peaceful Geth. Whether they be a heretic faction or just the overall Geth who are now trying to schmooze up to us.




As I said before, Legion claims to be the ONLY non-heredic that left the veil.
All geth the player sees in ME1 are sarens troops.

The lament was in my eyes a reminder for the player that geth were created by the Quarians and therefore use their socio-cultural heritage if any is needed. I think it was cheezy to have them send a lament but hey, why not.

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ah I'm stretching, how can you not trust Tali?


Pretty easily.  Her father was performing experiments on sentients with not only her knowledge but her support.  Then when you find out, she (seems to) turn on the water works and begs you not to tell anyone.

Strangely enough, after you don't turn her father in for War Crimes the data she didn't want to get out even to save her hide gets into the hands of the people who'd do the most harm with it.

The quarians lost a lot of my trust during this game, at first I kinda figured Tali wasn't part of it, but time a second playthrough has kind of made me reconsider.

I'm pretty sure Tali's in on  whatever her father and Xen are planning and is just trying to cover it all up long enough for Xen to accomplish it.

Even now I can hear the Tali-ban revving up their "Tali is teh awesomest!!1!!" arguments but I don't really care.

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Discussing the AI now? Technically we don't even know if it is possible for AI to even exist, it is merely a fiction in this game, so why debate it?

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slicer477 wrote...

Discussing the AI now? Technically we don't even know if it is possible for AI to even exist, it is merely a fiction in this game, so why debate it?


To paraphrase Sir Edmond: Because they are there.


And about Tali, she was handing over small amounts of Geth Tech. Never enough to form full functioning Geth. Her father wanted more and more Geth parts so he had the others with him bring full tech that can be turned on. Tali had no idea what her Father had done. Aside from what she had helped do. Tali is innocent!!

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Edgar1729 wrote...

I want to point out that Legion's theme is awesome.

Unrelated, well yes.

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But what if resources are getting rare?


All your others points seem to be valid, but to answer about that...the Galaxy is VAST. There's no way resources are getting rare before the completion of their superstructure. 


Tali says the dying sun of Haestrom is troublesome because there are finite resources, even without suns dying. She says it when talking to Reegar in her loyalty mission ;)

But i agree, the resources argument is just an example for all the cases where species usually come into contact and conflict.
There are other examples as well. Like religious differences (what if the Geth start to defend the quarian homeworld as their Mekka for some strange reason), or that they start to experiment with dark energy whose effects cause ripples through the galaxy in form of deadly radiation... whatever... its just examples for possible conflicts. And they don't matter. What i'm thinking about is the question, if the Geth are willing to step back and accept compromises if their future will be influenced/thwarted by other species... 

Well, Legion accepts to step back from sending the data from Talis omnitool. But i think he says he does it to preserve the terminal unit. So it's not really because he thinks Tali's hot or humans are sweet, but because he's calculating advantages. What if no gun is pointed at him? will he still be as cooperative?

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slicer477 wrote...

Discussing the AI now? Technically we don't even know if it is possible for AI to even exist, it is merely a fiction in this game, so why debate it?


It's mainly a philosophical debate. Based on the game.

But yeah, AI-researchers are actually requesting to consider robotic laws in future. It's not as if AI was magic. Its just a matter of time and definition. And not so far in the future, even.

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As far as i understand Legion, the only difference between heretics and hmm orthodox is evaluation of alien technology and the attitude towards leaving others be or not.



There are other differences, although Legion is reluctant to admit them.



Apart from that i always understood that both parts of the geth are identical and share the same networks and datapools. Therefore, if Legion talks about pity, remorse or fear, he talks about all geth.



All geth know fear. We know that because desire for self-preservation is the same as fear of death. Legion only refers to individual platforms that don't need to fear because their programs just get reuploaded into the mainframe. The same way, they don't pity you because the platforms were specifically activated to kill you - the decision to eliminate was made before the activation. Likewise for the remorse - what's been done has been done. The geth don't wallow in past mistakes but learn from them.



And i think it's not far fetched to assume, that if the geth lack these, that they lack empathy etc as well. It would be strange to think that they have some feelings but exactly the ones mentioned above are missing.



It's no question that they have emotions. Observe Legion's reactions and speech properly. There are many emotional ques in there, although Legion often finds itself at loss at defining them. The very fact that they are capable of crafting an ethical guideline that concerns other species demands the ability to emphatize with them.



But what if resources are getting rare? What if organics want to contact the geth? Is it considered an intrusion? Where are the limits? Why not, for example, kill everyone that comes too close to the geth - home? Even just to say "hi"? That would not determine the future of the visitors race but also cause no ethical trouble for the geth either.



Resources are no issue at all. There are more resources in the galaxy than all the organic races together could utilize. Most of the galaxy is still entirely unexplored - as I recall, the Codex mentions that less than 2% of the starsystems have been even vaguely mapped. The geth don't need to hoard garden worlds with inhabitable atmosphere and plantlife - they can prosper anywhere.

And so far they have indeed killed anybody who tries to make direct contact with them. They want to be left alone. This is something you have to get involved with if you want effective allies against the Reapers.



That's a bit shaky ground, though, isn't it? "I'm gonna shoot at you pre-emptively, because someone who looks like you has attacked me before."



Not at all to the geth. They have no friends in the galaxy, nor desire to make any. They see a military vehicle approaching them; the only reason why a military vehicle would be on the planet is to eliminate them - and they're right. That's exactly why you're there - to kill them all.



Again, if this was the Peace-Geth faction, they weren't really ACTING very peaceful. If all you want to do is be left alone, it's not exactly smart to start building listening posts in the Armstrong Cluster (ie, beyond the Veil), start shooting at the first thing that shows up, and then fly in more troops in an effort to wipe out what you're shooting at. None of that yells "We're peaceful!" to me.



Again, this is an important listening post - something that the geth are using to determine whether the organics are planning assaults against them. An assault on a remote listening post can easily be construed as intent of harming the geth as a whole. Remember, they don't understand or care about organic diplomacy at this point. They have no need for those, because the events that force them to take positive interest to the organics haven't yet taken place. They just want information concerning themselves.



(Of course, we're veering into collissions between gameplay mechanisms and lore here. The Geth were the Enemy in ME1, ergo, they shoot at you. I'm also fairly convinced that the Heretic faction, IF real, did not exist back when ME1 was created. It reeks of something that was added for ME2.)



You do realize that the Mass Effect storyline was written in its entirety before Mass Effect 1 came on the shelves? Only details have been added and omitted since. The big lines have always been there. And really, from narrative point of view it would make no sense whatsoever to just write off Legion's entire character development in favour of some more evil robots to be killed. The Heretics are an important part of the storyline, and plotwise it would be shooting yourself in the foot to throw them out of the window.



I would argue that the Armstrong Cluster was a forward base for the Citadel assault.



Which would make the entire encounter entirely moot, since you were actually seeking for geth that wouldn't be under Saren's control.

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Now, obviously we can argue that the writers came up with something new for ME2, and simply spliced in some explanation to reason it all away, which is fine. It just seems fairly dangerous for Shepard to so blindly trust a race which two years ago was trying its damndest to wipe out all civilized life.


You mean, Cerberus is a race?

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Kenrae wrote...

Creston918 wrote...
Now, obviously we can argue that the writers came up with something new for ME2, and simply spliced in some explanation to reason it all away, which is fine. It just seems fairly dangerous for Shepard to so blindly trust a race which two years ago was trying its damndest to wipe out all civilized life.


You mean, Cerberus is a race?


No, Cerberus are just Well Intentioned Extremists. And most of the Geth being killed were just hold outs from the Citadel War

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slicer477 wrote...

Discussing the AI now? Technically we don't even know if it is possible for AI to even exist, it is merely a fiction in this game, so why debate it?


Right, I'm sorry. Next time I'll run everything by you and see if it's okay, first.

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Lightice_av wrote...

You do realize that the Mass Effect storyline was written in its entirety before Mass Effect 1 came on the shelves? Only details have been added and omitted since. The big lines have always been there. And really, from narrative point of view it would make no sense whatsoever to just write off Legion's entire character development in favour of some more evil robots to be killed. The Heretics are an important part of the storyline, and plotwise it would be shooting yourself in the foot to throw them out of the window.


There's no writer in the world who writes a story, lets it sit there for three years, then doesn't add to it. Especially since it's writing for a game, and Bioware is making decision on what goes into the next game based on what people like or don't like. Their writing will have to be altered in order to accommodate those changes.

So if someone said something to the tune of "Hey, you know what would be cool? A Geth team member!", in a brain storm meeting after ME1, the writers would have had to come up with a plausible explanation for why Geth can suddenly be friendly. Ergo : The heretics.

There is absolutely 0.0% evidence that Geth are anything but utterly, annihilatingly hostile to any form of organic life in ME1. Not a single clue to the contrary, despite all the theories about "quarian laments."

Suddenly in ME2, it turns out there's billions of happy, peaceful Geth. That spells Soviet Revisionism to me.

Not that it matters one way or the other; it fits with the story. The heretic Geth could easily be real, since there's nothing to DISPROVE their existence either.

That said, it'd be an even cooler story if the Geth just made all that up, for whatever reason. :)

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Why a " mark? should be 0110111001101111 (thats "no" in binary). All you had to do was search "binary converter" on bing or google...



On topic, you raise some relevant points, however I dare say that it may be bad story telling on BioWare's part...

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As far as i understand Legion, the only difference between heretics and hmm orthodox is evaluation of alien technology and the attitude towards leaving others be or not.


There are other differences, although Legion is reluctant to admit them.

Apart from that i always understood that both parts of the geth are identical and share the same networks and datapools. Therefore, if Legion talks about pity, remorse or fear, he talks about all geth.


All geth know fear. We know that because desire for self-preservation is the same as fear of death.


Hmm... is that necessarily so? Being programmed to avoid destruction is something like an anti-virus or repair program or something that kicks in if integrity is at risk. Does that mean there are feelings?
I'm not so sure.


Legion only refers to individual platforms that don't need to fear because their programs just get reuploaded into the mainframe. The same way, they don't pity you because the platforms were specifically activated to kill you - the decision to eliminate was made before the activation. Likewise for the remorse - what's been done has been done. The geth don't wallow in past mistakes but learn from them.

And i think it's not far fetched to assume, that if the geth lack these, that they lack empathy etc as well. It would be strange to think that they have some feelings but exactly the ones mentioned above are missing.


It's no question that they have emotions. Observe Legion's reactions and speech properly. There are many emotional ques in there, although Legion often finds itself at loss at defining them. The very fact that they are capable of crafting an ethical guideline that concerns other species demands the ability to emphatize with them.


Again, not so sure. The geth understand, that they are capable of creating their own future. They also understand that the Quarian, for example, might want to keep them from doing so. This conflicts their concept of survival. Thus they fought. After the fight was over they came to the conclusion, that, if nobody messes with them and if they don't mess with everybody else, then all is according to their concept.

In my eyes, this is not equal to empathy in any way. It's just a generalization of their own concept of self-determination. 




But what if resources are getting rare? What if organics want to contact the geth? Is it considered an intrusion? Where are the limits? Why not, for example, kill everyone that comes too close to the geth - home? Even just to say "hi"? That would not determine the future of the visitors race but also cause no ethical trouble for the geth either.


Resources are no issue at all. There are more resources in the galaxy than all the organic races together could utilize. Most of the galaxy is still entirely unexplored - as I recall, the Codex mentions that less than 2% of the starsystems have been even vaguely mapped. The geth don't need to hoard garden worlds with inhabitable atmosphere and plantlife - they can prosper anywhere.


Yes, like i said in one of the posts above. The resources thingy was just an example for reasons for conflict. The example doesnt matter, the conflict does.


And so far they have indeed killed anybody who tries to make direct contact with them. They want to be left alone. This is something you have to get involved with if you want effective allies against the Reapers.


If they just want to be left alone, why does Legion help kill the collectors, reapers etc... do they deserve to die just because they want to change somebody elses future?

From Legions perspective, he should go home after releasing the brain-washing virus in heredic-HQ. Nothing else concerns the geth.

But no, he keeps running around, killing stuff.

And he's geth, not some individual with specific characteristic..

Modifié par SimonTheFrog, 24 février 2010 - 12:31 .


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eternalnightmare13

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It would be cool if someone betrayed you in ME3. I was sorta hoping it would since TIM mutters *for now...* when you ask if you can trust Miranda/Jacob during your first meeting.