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[TronJavolta]

Coming from the demographic of people who post here, in particular.  

Of course Miranda is hated upon initially... She's a too-good-for-you-cheerleader type.   We all have met people like this, and naturally... we hate them.

But as characters in good stories tend to do, she evolves.  

And eventually, she drops the bombshell....  The only thing she can ever take credit for is her mistakes.  Because of how she was born, nobody ever gives her credit for her achievements because she was born to do great things.  

Isn't this the story  of most people here?  Aren't most of us the math nerds?  Didn't most of us at some point have our parents/teachers tell us how smart we were?   How we have so much potential?   Didn't all of us have these smarts and this potential used against us when we brought home our first bad grade?   And then you turn some **** around, bring home a good grade and then you get the ol'  "we knew you could do it" type ****?  

So... you mess up...and you're double stupid because you're so naturally smart... But if you make good grades... Then you're just living up to your potential...  But you never get to take full credit for your good grades because you've just always been smart?  

Is there a lack of empathy here?  Am I wrong to operate on the assumption that people who play smart games like ME are also smart people?  

Am  I the only one who sympathized with Miranda in this way?   (That Miri love thread is too long for me to sift through to find the answer....)

[medlish]

As a character I find her very good.



But personally I don't like her. I also don't like her perfect body.

[Gill Kaiser]

I grew to respect her over the course of the game.

Also, it helps that's she's the singularly most useful squadmate on Insanity.

[Vamp44]

Because not everyone likes what others like? People are entitled to their own opinions. Like I personally cannot stand Tali.



I like Miranda alot.

Why?

Well, like you said Miranda is pretty interesting if you take the time to actually listen to her dialouge and get to know her true character. You practically see her evolve from being an "ice queen" to just finally warming up. Oh, and she has brains and good looks.

[RPGmom28]

I'm actually just indifferent to her. I don't hate her, but don't love her either. However, I did tear up a bit at the scene where she meets her sister, because I have a dear sister and can't imagine life without her.

To be honest, when I first saw Miranda I rolled my eyes. There was just an assumption that she and her sprayed on suit were just a gimmick to get more men to buy the game. But as a female gamer I also love Samara, and she's in a rubber suit too. It's just surface stuff that can be overlooked. But Miranda just didn't make that big of an impression on me either way.

[aaniadyen]

I loved Miranda. She's about equal to Tali in my book.

[Lmaoboat]

I didn't hate her because she was an ice queen, I hated her because she was such a boring stock character.

[aaniadyen]

RPGmom28 wrote...

I'm actually just indifferent to her. I don't hate her, but don't love her either. However, I did tear up a bit at the scene where she meets her sister, because I have a dear sister and can't imagine life without her.
To be honest, when I first saw Miranda I rolled my eyes. There was just an assumption that she and her sprayed on suit were just a gimmick to get more men to buy the game. But as a female gamer I also love Samara, and she's in a rubber suit too. It's just surface stuff that can be overlooked. But Miranda just didn't make that big of an impression on me either way.

This is understandable. I think most of her characterization is in her romance.

[Nozybidaj]

/shrug I don't hate her, but didn't care about her either. I found it a little odd how through the whole game she is all "I believe in what Cerberus stands for" then at the end she tells TIM to stuff it. It was a bit of a "wtf" moment. Would have been nice to slowly see that evolve over the course of the game, didn't feel like a natural reaction when it happened. If they had evolved it over the course of the game I think it would have made her a lot more interesting.

[dantesfire10]

helllloooooooo legs, ****** and ass! 8-]

[CmdrFenix83]

Miranda's a cold-hearted ****. Ever since her line calling Jack a mistake, I've made a point to watch her die in every playthrough.

[marshalleck]

Nozybidaj wrote...

/shrug I don't hate her, but didn't care about her either. I found it a little odd how through the whole game she is all "I believe in what Cerberus stands for" then at the end she tells TIM to stuff it. It was a bit of a "wtf" moment. Would have been nice to slowly see that evolve over the course of the game, didn't feel like a natural reaction when it happened. If they had evolved it over the course of the game I think it would have made her a lot more interesting.

Take her in your team with you and converse with her and you will see the evolution. She doesn't just flip at the end of the game. You see her face the past actions of Cerberus and try to rationalize them, the chinks in the armor begin to show and widen and at the end when TIM commands her to betray Shepard and take the base, she's finally pushed too far.

Modifié par marshalleck, 23 février 2010 - 08:54 .

[Cutlass Jack]

My dislike for Miranda began the second she put a bullet in Wilson's head.

It grew after hearing her whine about how horrible her life was growing up perfect and rich. Yes Miranda suffered so. Jack should walk a mile in her shoes.

Sex on the engine room floor turned cemented my dislike fully. The only two people on the entire ship with their own cabins and she picks Tali's workspace. That makes her petty. She wants to rub everyone's nose in it.

Her best moment is at the endgame, unfortunately I never liked her enough to even consider bringing her along.

On a professional level she does her job and can be useful. But thats about all I can say on her.

[aeetos21]

LoL @ "sprayed on suit"



I felt she was interesting but as the female lead for ME2, that's hardly surprising.

[Eshaye]

 If there's love and hate over certain characters there's nothing to wonder about, it just means they instill reactions in people, that's a very very good thing. 

Now for those that feel indifferent that sucks because it means the writing of that character failed to evoke anything and that's not what you want in entertainment. 

Personally I started the game not liking Miranda at all, but over the course of the game she grew on me and now I really enjoy her character. I could see my fem Shep and Miranda get along really well once they both tell TIM to screw off, Shep owes her life (or his) to Miranda and Miranda spent a lot of time getting to know the ins and outs of Shepard so an affinity seems natural though they may have been butting heads at first if you're paragon. 

[Nozybidaj]

marshalleck wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...

/shrug I don't hate her, but didn't care about her either. I found it a little odd how through the whole game she is all "I believe in what Cerberus stands for" then at the end she tells TIM to stuff it. It was a bit of a "wtf" moment. Would have been nice to slowly see that evolve over the course of the game, didn't feel like a natural reaction when it happened. If they had evolved it over the course of the game I think it would have made her a lot more interesting.

Take her in your team with you and converse with her and you will see the evolution. She doesn't just flip at the end of the game. You see her face the past actions of Cerberus and try to rationalize them, the chinks in the armor begin to show and widen and finally at the end when TIM commands her to betray Shepard and take the base, she's finally pushed too far.

I did a run through where she was in my party from start to finish, I never saw her question her alliegence.  Not in her conversation with Shep where she rationalizes all of Cerberus' past actions, not in her encounter with Jack, not in her loyalty quest where Cerberus is the only group she can trust and turn to, and really those are about the only times it is ever brought up as a topic of discussion. 

Are there some specific examples you can sight that show where she starts to reconsider her devotion to Cerberus?

[Collider]

Miranda is a likable character. I can understand why her upbringing could make her cold.

[GuardianAngel470]

RPGmom28 wrote...

I'm actually just indifferent to her. I don't hate her, but don't love her either. However, I did tear up a bit at the scene where she meets her sister, because I have a dear sister and can't imagine life without her.
To be honest, when I first saw Miranda I rolled my eyes. There was just an assumption that she and her sprayed on suit were just a gimmick to get more men to buy the game. But as a female gamer I also love Samara, and she's in a rubber suit too. It's just surface stuff that can be overlooked. But Miranda just didn't make that big of an impression on me either way.

This.  I feel the same way.  Personally I don't talk to her after I romanced her in my first playthrough simply because I didn't want to sift through the "I am Superior" comments to get the "I have done nothing" comments.  It kinda boils down to suffering through pompousness to get to baggage.  My first girlfriend complained a lot.  I can say with honesty that every word out of her mouth when we were alone was a complaint.   And nothing I said helped.  She also repeated herself.   After that experience I just don't see why I should have to seek out that sort of thing in a woman.  That doesn't mean that I don't like her, it just means that I don't care enough about her problems to try to help her.

[epoch_]

I really don't care for her one way or the other. She's always with me on insane though. Too much buffs not too.



Also, her face looks like a potato.

[aaniadyen]

I wish we could buy her a sweater or something as a gift if we romanced her...

[Saberwolf116]

I found her to be an interesting character, but IMO, BioWare botched the romantic dialogue. It sound a lot more like lust than love.

[aeetos21]

I still like Shepard's excuse if you decide to break things off with her:



"This won't work, Miranda. We're too much alike."



Isn't that somewhere along the lines of: "It's not you, it's me"?

[ChampDude]

I like her. Not only is she quite useful on the battlefield, I really enjoyed her loyalty mission. Despite being a creation she still felt...human after that moment with her sister. I respected her loyalty to Cerberus, but loved her little "screw you" to TiM during the suicide mission. Definitely one of my favourite characters in the Mass Effect universe

[marshalleck]

Nozybidaj wrote...

I did a run through where she was in my
party from start to finish, I never saw her question her alliegence.
 Not in her conversation with Shep where she rationalizes all of
Cerberus' past actions, not in her encounter with Jack, not in her
loyalty quest where Cerberus is the only group she can trust and turn
to, and really those are about the only times it is ever brought up as a
topic of discussion. 

Are there some specific examples you can
sight that show where she starts to reconsider her devotion to Cerberus?

Jack's mission is a perfect example. She doesn't renounce Cerberus on the spot, no, but she's clearly conflicted. She says that the treatment of the children at the facility was horrific, but tries to explain it away as being a rogue cell.

I guess you're free to interpret not completely disowning the organization she's been a part of for at least a decade as unquestioning allegiance, but I think you're wrong. She first offers justifications, then she tries denial, and finally she rebukes TIM and Cerberus. For me, it works. I think it's believable. A lot more believable than Shepard using his persuasion check in a single conversation to fundamentally and permanently alter her weltanschauung.

Modifié par marshalleck, 23 février 2010 - 09:06 .

[Eshaye]

Saberwolf116 wrote...

I found her to be an interesting character, but IMO, BioWare botched the romantic dialogue. It sound a lot more like lust than love.

They did that for almost all of the new romances.... I'm in the camp that thinks BioWare intended all of these to be flings, which kinda sucks for those who truly like these characters, then again I've seen solid relationships start as flings too... 
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