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[Eshaye]

aeetos21 wrote...

I still like Shepard's excuse if you decide to break things off with her:

"This won't work, Miranda. We're too much alike."

Isn't that somewhere along the lines of: "It's not you, it's me"?

It's only slightly less lame. 

[Cutlass Jack]

aeetos21 wrote...

I still like Shepard's excuse if you decide to break things off with her:

"This won't work, Miranda. We're too much alike."

Isn't that somewhere along the lines of: "It's not you, it's me"?

I think its more like: "Its not me, its me."

[Nozybidaj]

marshalleck wrote...
Jack's mission is a perfect example. She doesn't renounce Cerberus on the spot, no, but she's clearly conflicted. She says that the treatment of the children at the facility was horrific, but tries to explain it away as being a rogue cell.

I guess you're free to interpret not completely disowning the organization she's been a part of for at least a decade as unquestioning allegiance, but I think you're wrong. She first offers justifications, then she tries denial, and finally she rebukes TIM and Cerberus. For me, it works. I think it's believable. A lot more believable than Shepard using his persuasion check in a single conversation to permanently alter her weltanschauung.

I suppose I just never got that impression from her doing Jack's mission.  It felt more to me like she was explaining it away to "protect" Cerberus and TIM than struggling to rationalize her own beliefs.  I'll just say I was very surprised at the end that she told TIM to stuff it, it just seemed very out of place.

[Barquiel]

I like her. She is my favorite ME2 romance option (by far) and her loyality mission is one of the best.

[Collider]

All of the Mass Effect romance invariably end with sex or intimacy. It's just how they are structured. We haven't the precedence, truly, of romances carrying over to another game. Kaidan, Ashley, Liara were intentionally sidelined for survival and role in Mass Effect 3.

We'll see if Bioware can mold the romances into something more. I am hoping this is the case - I want deeper meaning to the relationships.

Modifié par Collider, 23 février 2010 - 09:12 .

[Jean de Valette]

She's cold to you in the beginning but very quickly warms up to Sheppard. Well male Shep anway. Not the funniest character but indeed the '**** cheerleader' type, with a pragmatic streak. Not evil or "chaotic neutral" like Jack. So my paragon Shep approves. And she's open to Shep's suggestions.



Her skills are also great. Warp and Overload? Bonus to squad? What's not to like? You only need one or two more Biotic powers with her (depending on class of course).



In my current Soldier run I use Miranda and Jacob (another unliked character) and they're just fine. They have a few banters and complement each other skill set nicely. If you're playing soldier you'll basically only need Biotics to complement you (not weaponry), and Miranda+Jacob are just fine. Will replace Jacob though but that's another subject.

[b1n0ry]

F*** no. I am not smart and I play "smart" games. I am a university drop out and I smoke approximately two blunts everyday.

[OverlordNexas]

I dislike her because I dislike her archetype, the cold **** who warms up slightly but is a **** at the end of the day.



Also I didn't like Morrigan either.

[Nozybidaj]

Collider wrote...

All of the Mass Effect romance invariably end with sex or intimacy. It's just how they are structured. We haven't the precedence, truly, of romances carrying over to another game. Kaidan, Ashley, Liara were intentionally sidelined for survival and role in Mass Effect 3.

We'll see if Bioware can mold the romances into something more. I am hoping this is the case - I want deeper meaning to the relationships.

This only holds true if the ME2 crew aren't major players in ME3, otherwise what was the point of the ME1 LI's not being in ME2?  Like I said, this is going to take on whole new meaning once we get closer to ME3.

[jojon2se]

Miranda does say a few things that hint of a minuscle spark of humility somewhere - if she'd only act it as well. I can't stand arrogant people (never mind how arrogant this very post may come across, heh) and see no reason why anyone would happily take orders from miss Smug McSmarmy - leader personality, pah.

I guess the writers were successful in evoking all sorts of emotions from players, including disgust.

[Von Verrikan]

She was okay. I had nothing against her, I just didn't find her very entertaining. Felt like she was trying to sell her appeal solely based upon her sex appeal.

[Mondo47]

Love your name, Tron

Ok, considering I'm part of the 'enemy camp' in this discussion, I'll bite. I can see your reasoning, and it's sound,
sure. I was always told by pretty much everyone save my parents tell me I'd not amount to anything. I'm not saying I became a brainbox or anything, but I worked at what I was best at, did my time in colleges and universities, and now I know those people were wrong. Surely Miranda could come to the same conclusion, that there was more to her than everyone sees? Her father may have made her to be perfect, given her every opportunity and tool at his disposal to raise her higher, but what she has managed to do has been her own work.

You have a point about her mistakes; maybe her reticent attitude towards Shep in the beginning is her expecting another error to come bite her in the ass. Fine. But she's smart; surely she would see it without getting a couple of pep talks from Shep? I know, book-smart doesn't mean emotion-smart, but that's not what my problem with her was.

I was starting to warm to her a little, I'll admit. And then we had the Jack/Miranda showdown. I'm sorry, but Miranda just undid all the work she'd done with me. She isn't stupid; she has to know that Jack is quite obviously scarred inside and out, and on top of that has a criminal record as long as both her legs put together (not someone to pick a fight with). Miranda has had a comfortable life (metal father issues aside) and pretty much everything she could desire with the exception of friends maybe, Jack's had nothing anyone would want or even wish on people they seriously dislike. It's in her power to be the better woman (which if you side with Jack you have to point out to Miranda to regain her loyalty), but instead she goes for the schoolyard rules. She's painfully aware of what she sees as her own shortfallings, yet refuses to acknowledge or understand them in others. Arguing the semantics of torture with a torture victim is naive (oh, but it was a rogue Cerberus cell, TIM pulled the plug on the Telton program, so it's not really Cerberus... sorry, you'd have to be pretty short-sighted to think that would wash with one of the people that had been on the receiving end of it all). After that, Jack, I felt sorry for. Miranda however had somewhat blown it. The fact she couldn't open herself to someone else's feelings left me awful cold.

Don't get me wrong, I've played through the Miranda-mance, so it's not for lack of trying on my part. Maybe if I'm honest she doesn't appeal to me physically, either, but that isn't the root of my indifference for the character. It's from her attitudes to others; both women here seem to think no-one has had as tough a time as them, but I can only honestly think one has any right to think that way, regardless of actual accuracy.

Oh, and the other thing is that when I stated my opinion in a Miranda thread, I got steamrollered by rabid fans and was told I was emphatically wrong and stupid. Not that I gave a damn, but if a debate is going on, the least you can be is polite and listen to other people's thoughts.

It's all just my point of view in the end, no harm done.

[MTN Dew Fanatic]

She's too obsessed with Cerberus.

[Vamp44]

MTN Dew Fanatic wrote...

She's too obsessed with Cerberus.

That's fine by me. Seeing as I like Cerberus..lol.

[keegdarv1]

Loved her chacter, thought she was one of the best in ME2, never saw her as a "ice queen" just saw her in the start of the game as someone that through Shepard was going to treat her and other member like every other person in the alliance does and once you "join" she opens up little by little cause she felt connected to you after giving two years of her life to you.



I find the "she killed Wilson in cold blood" just a excuse of people that didnt want to give some charcters a shot, firstly she did nothing more then other chacters have done before her or even Shepard did as a paragon in ME1 if you did Feros and didnt have enough charm points the top paragon choice he shot the guy thier to protect the people on Feros, Miranda just saw it as im protecting the most important at this place, never saw it as "cold blood" just her form of protection, and again notrhing Ashley or Shepard didnt do in ME1.



And to the point of the people that feel Miranda was mean to Jack in that "fight" I wish they see the point of Jack came into Miranda's office with guns blazing, and Miranda isnt the type of person to let someone try to push her around so as Jack in a way was "right" talk to Miranda she was "right" in standing up for herself



To the romance point dont think Bioware intended the ME2 LI to be just a fling as dont see Tail or Miranda as fling type choice the middle line in the last love talk and both Shepard and Miranda clearly care just throuhg lines like that.



Last thing then I'll shut up, you can see her questen Cerberus, on Jacks mission, in talks to you on on the collector ship when she finds out TIM set them up, paragon choice of Shepard where he says not sure of anything or whatever in her voice you can clearly hear her wanting Shepard to be right and the renegde choice where Shepards pissed at TIM her voice while saying he must have had a good excuse she clearly isnt sure, and in the talk on the ship after the mission, I had it telling where others are being mad or saying its was ok that TIM set them up of all people Miranda stayed quite and said nothing either way.

[MasterSolo]

I like Miranda a lot. Many people don't like her because they don't pay too much attention to her. I do have to say that if you're a female Shapard, you won't get too much out of her. However being a male Shepard, and looking at how she grows as a character is a joy to behold. At first she's the ice queen, everybody knows that. Then starting with her loyalty quest, you can see that there is a totally different person inside the cold image that you have of her. And I will have to disagree with the fact that "it's more lust than love. Her VA was fantastic in expressing emotion through her voice and when romancing her you can clearly see that she sincerely cares for Shepard. When she said "So don't die. You promise me, dammit!", I just had that tingly warm feeling of joy in my stomach. I did, however wanted to see more emotion in the sex scene. And you can clearly see that during the events of the game she slowly starts to fade from the Cerberus grasp, in the end showing the middle thinger to the illusve man. I enjoyed this character, because you get to see how much she changes during the course of the game.



Great character, great love interest, great loyalty mission, very usefull in the party. Hope to see her in Mass Effect 3.

[keegdarv1]

sorry double post

Modifié par keegdarv1, 23 février 2010 - 09:39 .

[Vaenier]

I dont like her for her complete faith in Cerberus, and obvious disdain for my command. Plus she wanted to put a control chip in my head... She didnt want to let Tali take veetor, she wanted to sell legion, she wanted to keep Grunt in the tank. Basically, everything I wanted to do, she told me to do the opposite.

She was annoying and is number 9 on my list, right above Jack.

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

Pfeh, she was a good XO, useful squadmate, and her loyalty mission is a little touching at the end. Other than that she bores me, but I wouldnt say I hate her. Just dont care about her. Though that is true for most of the ME2 squad.

Modifié par Dinkamus_Littlelog, 23 février 2010 - 10:03 .

[Nozybidaj]

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

Pfeh, she was a good XO, useful squadmate, and her loyalty mission is a little touching at the end. Other than that she bores me, but I would say I hate her. Just dont care about her. Though that is true for most of the ME2 squad.

Agreed.  At least if I hated her that would be something.  /shrug

[The Angry One]

She looks like a rabbit and I hate catsuits.

I'd be indifferent but she just has to go on and on about how she's so perfect. Blah blah blah, go away Miranda, you bother me.

[jojon2se]

Darht Jayder wrote...
Humility may come off as weakness.  She was bred/created to be perfect and a leader.  It is reasonable that she would be smarmy although irritating that she would be this way too.

You know, I can half accept it as insecurity on her part, overcompensated with the misguided "humble is weak" Ayn Rand nonsense philosophical standards of her upper class upbringing. Hopefully we'll get the opportunity to help her becoming more "human" in ME3.
EDIT: ...or worse - it's all about the options...

Modifié par jojon2se, 23 février 2010 - 10:06 .

[Sledgehammer44mm]

Miranda = one of a kind.