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[Demx]

So no one knows what the toolset says about the ages for rest of the characters?

[Nonvita]

As far as I know, there is no info about the ages for the other characters. But I don't have the toolset, so I could be wrong...

[Demx]

I was told earlier in the thread Alistair's age was listed as 32 in the toolset. That's why I'm curious about the others.

[Sresla]

I always got the feeling that the mage was much younger than some people think, 18-20, especially as they are still an apprentice at that point. Most of the others seem about the same age, Dwarven noble may be older seeing as they are close becoming king/queen but generally they seem quite young to me.

I disagree. Being an apprentice doesn't, to me, mean someone young, in this context. It means someone who has not completed their studies. Depending on what branch of magic you study (let's use Spirit as it seems to be the most esoteric of the schools) you might have to spend YEARS before you're considered for the Harrowing. There seems to be, in general, more primal school mages about than anything so I could see each branch taking different periods of time to master - which explains why my mage is older and someone else's is considerably younger.

[Bratt1204]

Siradix wrote...

I was told earlier in the thread Alistair's age was listed as 32 in the toolset. That's why I'm curious about the others.

32 sounds about right to me. I have read in other posts that he is only supposed to be 19. His voice is much too deep to be that of a 19 year old and his face is much more mature looking than a 19 year old. 

Modifié par Bratt1204, 23 février 2010 - 11:54 .

[Bratt1204]

Foadumf wrote...

Oghren is way older than 30's. That's just a kid in dwarf years.

More like 47-50

[Nonvita]

Bratt1204 wrote...

32 sounds about right to me. I have read in other posts that he is only supposed to be 19. His voice is much too deep to be that of a 19 year old and his face is much more mature looking than a 19 year old. 

Really? I know plenty of guys with perfectly low voices who are around 20, and whose faces look perfectly adult. And there's very much evidence that Alistair is at most early 20s.
-He hadn't yet finished his templar training when he was conscripted ~6 months prior to the story
-He's several years younger than Cailan, who was mid- to late-twenties
-And his immaturity is clearly meant as youthful (I realize 30-year-olds can be immature, but I'd seriously hate to meet a 30-year-old who still acts like Alistair)

[nos_astra]

Bratt1204 wrote...

Siradix wrote...

I was told earlier in the thread Alistair's age was listed as 32 in the toolset. That's why I'm curious about the others.

32 sounds about right to me. I have read in other posts that he is only supposed to be 19. His voice is much too deep to be that of a 19 year old and his face is much more mature looking than a 19 year old. 

Timeline says that he is either
19/20 - born 9:10/9:11 (The Calling) or
22-25 - born between 9:05 and 9:08 (DAO).

The toolset information is completely outdated. David Gaider said, the character has been rewritten to be much younger. He also once said when asked for the timeline that these dates "don't sound that far off".
(The timeline example is not my work, someone else figured that out.)

The in-game models are really limited. Only Cammen looks younger but he's an elf.
The voice actor is 44, so yes he probably doesn't sound like a 19-year-old. It may be a bit of a stretch but even young people can sound older than they are. I'm 30 and when judging my age by my voice people put me below 20.

I got used to the thought that Alistair may be really young. One of my favorite arguments (besides the timeline) is that there is no way that in a medieval-ish world a man can reach 20 and still being fed and sheltered for nothing.

Other characters are equally hard (or even harder) to put because of the models and the voice actors.

Modifié par klarabella, 24 février 2010 - 12:14 .

[maxernst]

Nonvita wrote...

Bratt1204 wrote...

32 sounds about right to me. I have read in other posts that he is only supposed to be 19. His voice is much too deep to be that of a 19 year old and his face is much more mature looking than a 19 year old. 

Really? I know plenty of guys with perfectly low voices who are around 20, and whose faces look perfectly adult. And there's very much evidence that Alistair is at most early 20s.
-He hadn't yet finished his templar training when he was conscripted ~6 months prior to the story
-He's several years younger than Cailan, who was mid- to late-twenties
-And his immaturity is clearly meant as youthful (I realize 30-year-olds can be immature, but I'd seriously hate to meet a 30-year-old who still acts like Alistair)

Men's voices change long before they're 19...all you can say for sure is he's not pre-pubescent.  Faces...it depends on the guy, some 19 year olds look young, some don't.

[Creature 1]

Bratt1204 wrote...
His voice is much too deep to be that of a 19 year old

Check out college choirs.  There are kids that age in their bass sections. 

[Demx]

Wait how do you know how long Templer training is or for that matter if there is an age limit for it?

[Creature 1]

Siradix wrote...

Wait how do you know how long Templer training is or for that matter if there is an age limit for it?

It's military training, requiring carrying heavy shields and swinging swords around.  The military no matter where you are prefers to recruit guys in their late teens/early 20's, and tries to get them into active service rapidly since the 20's are their fighting prime. 

Medieval knights, who would have had similar training, usually were made knights around age 20. 

Ferelden is not like modern countries, where if you pick the right career you can get others paying for your education until you're practically 30 (yay hard sciences!)  At 32 Alistair would be middle-aged, there's no way the Chantry and Templars would put up with feeding and housing him for that long when he's not providing any useful services for them, and when he's now physically past his peak. 

Modifié par Creature 1, 24 février 2010 - 12:38 .

[Nonvita]

It's never stated explicitly, but it can be inferred.

-There is a great deal of mind control that goes into Templar training. This would be most effective at a young age, when people are most impressionable.

-The Chantry gets Templars addicted to lyrium- again this would be most effective starting it young, since the Templars would likely be more resistant if it were started later.

-Fighters are at their best when they're young. If it takes until you're 30 to pass the training, then you've already lost at least 10 of the strongest years of your life. Talk about a waste.



It just wouldn't make any sense to wait until the trainees were 30 before inducting them as Templars.

And there's already plenty of other evidence that Alistair is 19-21, not to mention that David Gaider already agreed with the estimate.

[Helios969]

Ooh, I want to play too.

Me - the reluctant hero - 27 (well it is fantasy afterall)

Alistair - 25

Morrigan - 26

Leliana - 33

Zevran - 31

Sten - 39

Oghren - 42 (emotionally 12)

Wynne - 62

Loghain - 57

[Demx]

Creature 1 wrote...

Siradix wrote...

Wait how do you know how long Templer training is or for that matter if there is an age limit for it?

It's military training, requiring carrying heavy shields and swinging swords around.  The military no matter where you are prefers to recruit guys in their late teens/early 20's, and tries to get them into active service rapidly since the 20's are their fighting prime. 

Medieval knights, who would have had similar training, usually were made knights around age 20. 

Ferelden is not like modern countries, where if you pick the right career you can get others paying for your education until you're practically 30 (yay hard sciences!)  At 32 Alistair would be middle-aged, there's no way the Chantry and Templars would put up with feeding and housing him for that long when he's not providing any useful services for them, and when he's now physically past his peak. 

If you are going by the middle ages standards, you would have been made an apprentice at the age of 13 or 14 for whatever field you were told to go into. Not everyone can become a knight either. You either had to be born to a noble and trained as a page when you were 8, before becoming a squire. The other way was to prove your worth during battle.

[Thalorin1919]

For PC, it really depends on the origin. Such as a dwarf noble might be nearing 30, since his brother seems to look older (Trian). While I think the human noble is mid-twenties, since Fergus look late twenties or early thirties.



Alistair - I'm guessing maybe 23-25



Morrigan - 22-26



Leliana - 22-28



Zevran - 21-25



Sten - 30-35



Oghren - 38-42



Wynne - Old



Anora is almost 30 years old though, so Cailan has to be 29 at the least. I dont know when Maric produced Alistair, but I'm guessing it was after Cailan was 4-5 and before Rowan died.

[Creature 1]

Siradix wrote...
If you are going by the middle ages standards, you would have been made an apprentice at the age of 13 or 14 for whatever field you were told to go into.

Yes, Zevran was "apprenticed" at 7, Leliana was trained to sing and dance from a young age before starting bard training, Morrigan probably was taught magic from when she was crawling.  Alistair was sent to the Chantry when he was 11, IIRC. 

Not everyone can become a knight either. You either had to be born to a noble and trained as a page when you were 8, before becoming a squire. The other way was to prove your worth during battle.

Alistair's the king's by-blow. 

[Nascentguy]

Siradix wrote...

I was told earlier in the thread Alistair's age was listed as 32 in the toolset. That's why I'm curious about the others.

This is what the toolset has listed:

Dog 3
Player_default 20
Zevran 24
Leiliana 26
Morrigan 30
Sten 30
Alistair 32
Oghren 35
Loghain 50
Wynne 55
Shale 500

On that note,
Bryce Cousland 40
Eleanor Cousland 40
Fergus 30

Jowan 20

Soris 20
Shianni 18

Bhelen 21
Trian 25
King Endrin 50

Thats all for now. Want to know anyone else?

[Creature 1]

Nascentguy wrote...
On that note,
Bryce Cousland 40
Eleanor Cousland 40
Fergus 30

I see Eleanor and Bryce were precocious. 

[Kryyptehk]

Nascentguy wrote...

Siradix wrote...

I was told earlier in the thread Alistair's age was listed as 32 in the toolset. That's why I'm curious about the others.

This is what the toolset has listed:

Dog 3
Player_default 20
Zevran 24
Leiliana 26
Morrigan 30
Sten 30
Alistair 32
Oghren 35
Loghain 50
Wynne 55
Shale 500

On that note,
Bryce Cousland 40
Eleanor Cousland 40
Fergus 30

Jowan 20

Soris 20
Shianni 18

Bhelen 21
Trian 25
King Endrin 50

Thats all for now. Want to know anyone else?

And the devs have said that the toolset is wrong for some people. Alistair was originally supposed to be a veteran Grey Warden. I cannot belive that a 32 year old hadn't taken their vows yet. And he was recuited to the Grey Wardens 6 months before the start of the game.

[Nascentguy]

Kryyptehk wrote...

Nascentguy wrote...

Siradix wrote...

I was told earlier in the thread Alistair's age was listed as 32 in the toolset. That's why I'm curious about the others.

This is what the toolset has listed:

And the devs have said that the toolset is wrong for some people. Alistair was originally supposed to be a veteran Grey Warden. I cannot belive that a 32 year old hadn't taken their vows yet. And he was recuited to the Grey Wardens 6 months before the start of the game.

Yeah I'm with you on that. I also think the ages are just a ballpark estimate to start with. Too many round numbers for them to be set in stone. I would say its just for whoever had to make the face morph for each character to go on.

Modifié par Nascentguy, 24 février 2010 - 03:03 .

[J_chambers]

I sort of recall the devs saying that the age used in the the tool set was a reference that the voice actors used when performing their characters.

[EccentricSage]

Zev definetly comes off as being around 30... he's by no means 'old', but he has some fine lines in his features and seems very experienced. Granted, a hard life and early experience could be throwing everyone off by a good five years, too. Lifestyle and genetics have a big effect on how old a person seems to be.



Leliana I expect to be around 30 as well. She just acts like a little girl, which is part of why I find her intolerable. Women who live a life of luxury as she did tend to show their age slower, and acting the part of an innocent teenage girl easily endears her to older people and makes young men want to take care of her (amongst other things). People let their guard down with someone like her.



Morrigan definitely strikes me as a teenager who is trying to come off as older and wiser than she is. She's the girl at your school who is wiser to the wicked ways of the world than her piers and feels hopelessly disenfranchised, so acts haughty and even bitter to protect herself. I'd guess 18 at the youngest, as her features are too mature looking for her to still be in the early stages of puberty.



Wynne... It's hard to say... She is pretty damn good looking for an old woman who makes herself out to be your great grandma. lol Definitely 50 at the youngest, but no way she's too much older than 60. I'd suspect living in the tower most of your life would mean not a lot of sun light nor physical labor, so that would actually slow the signs of aging providing you keep fit.



The others are already pretty well figured out or I don't have a strong opinion, yet.



I think my Dalish Elf must be around 17-22 range as he didn't seem like he had any romantic interests before he became a Warden, and they seem like the whole 'bonding' thing is pretty important. Small closed communities tend to have a high level of conformity, after all.

[Kryyptehk]

EccentricSage wrote...

Zev definetly comes off as being around 30... he's by no means 'old', but he has some fine lines in his features and seems very experienced. Granted, a hard life and early experience could be throwing everyone off by a good five years, too. Lifestyle and genetics have a big effect on how old a person seems to be.

Leliana I expect to be around 30 as well. She just acts like a little girl, which is part of why I find her intolerable. Women who live a life of luxury as she did tend to show their age slower, and acting the part of an innocent teenage girl easily endears her to older people and makes young men want to take care of her (amongst other things). People let their guard down with someone like her.

Morrigan definitely strikes me as a teenager who is trying to come off as older and wiser than she is. She's the girl at your school who is wiser to the wicked ways of the world than her piers and feels hopelessly disenfranchised, so acts haughty and even bitter to protect herself. I'd guess 18 at the youngest, as her features are too mature looking for her to still be in the early stages of puberty.

Wynne... It's hard to say... She is pretty damn good looking for an old woman who makes herself out to be your great grandma. lol Definitely 50 at the youngest, but no way she's too much older than 60. I'd suspect living in the tower most of your life would mean not a lot of sun light nor physical labor, so that would actually slow the signs of aging providing you keep fit.

The others are already pretty well figured out or I don't have a strong opinion, yet.

I think my Dalish Elf must be around 17-22 range as he didn't seem like he had any romantic interests before he became a Warden, and they seem like the whole 'bonding' thing is pretty important. Small closed communities tend to have a high level of conformity, after all.

_spoilerz b3l0w OMG_

I agree with most of what you've said. I think Morrigan is about 20-25, but she can't be older than 30, because I would think Flemeth would like to have a body as young as she could get. Not to say 30 is old, but I can't imagine she'd wait THAT long to possess Morrigan.

I'd say my Cousland was about 18-20 maybe 22 at the oldest.

Modifié par Kryyptehk, 24 février 2010 - 03:41 .

[Harelda]

EccentricSage wrote...
Wynne... It's hard to say... She is pretty damn good looking for an old woman who makes herself out to be your great grandma. lol Definitely 50 at the youngest, but no way she's too much older than 60. I'd suspect living in the tower most of your life would mean not a lot of sun light nor physical labor, so that would actually slow the signs of aging providing you keep fit.

 Eh, my granny is coming up for 70 now and doesn't look much over 50. Hell, I'd say she looks younger than Wynne when she makes the effort to dress up. I don't think she'd get away with the Chasind robes though...

 You're bang on with Morrigan, that's exactly the impression I got too.