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[AndreaDraco]

Today I was reading Dragon Age cronology, and a question about the old barbaric tribes of Ferelden arose.

First we have the Alamarri, from which stemmed the Chasind (the Alamarri who inhabited the Wilds) and the Avvars, who split from the main Alamarri tribe to live near the Frostback Mountains. An Alamarri, Hefter, was the first man to be named Teyrn.

What about the Clayne? Were they just another barbaric tribe, wholly different from the Alamarri, or they too stemmed from the Alamarri? Codex entries mentions that Calehand united the Clayne tribes into one nation, Ferelden, but what about the Alamarri tribes? Were they already conquered by the Clayne? Or is it a whole different story?

Also, do we know which tribe did Maferath belong to?

[Daerog]

All I know off the top of my head is that Andraste and her husband came from that island in the east, went into what is now Fereldan, and beat the Tevinter Imperium back. I think I may be wrong, however.

[AndreaDraco]

Actually, I can't remember anything about an island to the east. Also, Denerim is supposed to be Andraste's birth place, so I guess it should be safe to assume that both Maferath and her were Fereldans, even if we don't know of which tribe.



Anyway, what I'm really confused about is this "Clayne" tribe, since it is mentioned only in Calenhad's Codex Entry and in the Juggernaut Armor's item description.



Yes, yes I know that it's a minutia, but I'm obsessive that way when I really like something

[AndreaDraco]

Interestingly enough, I found out reading the DA:Wikia that originally the Avvars could have been a playable Origin. Is this true? And is the drawing on the page a relic of that old time when a Human could have been an Avvar? Can I say that the drawing is gorgeous?

Modifié par AndreaDraco, 24 février 2010 - 04:15 .

[Ulicus]

I thought it was pretty clear that the name "Clayne" was "legacy information". In other words, the pre-Ferelden tribes were to be called the Clayne but this changed at some point during development, with them becoming the Alamarri instead. That "clayne" slipped through the cracks a grand total of three times in the game (twice in the codex, once in the Dalish origin) and once in The Stolen Throne (Maric thinks on how Calenhad united the "Clayne Tribes") really doesn't bother me overmuch.

I could be mistaken, of course, but that seems like the most reasonable assumption given the information we have.

Modifié par Ulicus, 24 février 2010 - 04:59 .

[AndreaDraco]

If this is indeed the explanation, I too am perfectly fine with it. And I perfectly understand that, even if this isn't the case, Fereldan ancient tribes are hardly a pivotal point of the setting

[David Gaider]

The Clayne, the Avvars and the Chasind are all tribes of the Alamarri people -- they all share that common ancestry. Calenhad united the Clayne to create Ferelden -- remember that neither the Avvars nor the Chasind are part of the kingdom.



And, yes, originally there was a "Human Barbarian" origin where you began as one of the Avvars. Your clan was wiped out, with you as the last survivor, and you were able to re-visit your origin when you went to the Urn of Sacred Ashes plot (which was in Avvar territory -- this was prior to Haven's existence, and prior to the involvement of the Andrastian cultists). This was scrapped fairly early on, as we just didn't have the art resources to give the Avvars a different "look" and it didn't feel worthwhile to do them without doing them justice as a different culture.

[Loerwyn]

David, is that why the Human Noble can have tattoos (whereas they generally wouldn't)? It's a remnant from a previous Origin that was carried forward?

[Vicious]

That was probably just for extra customization.

[Loerwyn]

Probably, yeah. Just wondered if there was a "lore" reason for the Dwarf/Human nobles having tattoos when (by a lore sense) they typically wouldn't.

[AndreaDraco]

David Gaider wrote...

The Clayne, the Avvars and the Chasind are all tribes of the Alamarri people -- they all share that common ancestry. Calenhad united the Clayne to create Ferelden -- remember that neither the Avvars nor the Chasind are part of the kingdom.

I understand. So the Alamarri are something like the Proto-Indo-Europeans, and the Clayne were the Alamarri tribes located in Ferelden. Thanks David!

And, yes, originally there was a "Human Barbarian" origin where you began as one of the Avvars. [...] This was scrapped fairly early on, as we just didn't have the art resources to give the Avvars a different "look" and it didn't feel worthwhile to do them without doing them justice as a different culture.

Still, that artwork is beautiful and I'm genuinely intrigued by the Avvar culture. I really hope that we'll know more about them in future installments!

[Ulicus]

David Gaider wrote...

The Clayne, the Avvars and the Chasind are all tribes of the Alamarri people -- they all share that common ancestry. Calenhad united the Clayne to create Ferelden -- remember that neither the Avvars nor the Chasind are part of the kingdom..

Ah. I stand corrected, then.