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[newcomplex]

Temper_Graniteskul wrote...

newcomplex wrote...

Arik7 wrote...


Give an inch.

It doesn't matter whether BW has included same-sex romance options before or not.  The open-ended RPG genre implies it.   People play RPGs because they wish to create their own adventure.  If an RPG has romances, many people wouldn't be satisfied with strictly hetero choices, not at this day and age.

You know what else open ended RPG implies?   Imagination.    You know what isn't an open ended RPG?   Mass Effect 2.  

Its more akin to "The Witcher" then to anything else.     You didn't see people complaining about the lack of m/m romances for geralt, because people would go batshit nuts if their were, because its been established through a rich canon of lore that he is straight.   Even "Established" is probably to weak a word because the entire goddam story about him killing things and banging chicks.   Being a unashamed womanizer is part of his character.     

Obviously, Shepherd has no previous established canon, and gives you a greater degree of freedom The Witcher, but it is far from true open endedness.   Open ended cRPG shouldn't even have complex dialogue because it limits the role of imagination.     

Perhaps Bioware is trying to set up a canon similar like the White Wolf novels.     And part of that canon is that shepherd is simply not gay.      Your statement is rediculous on so many levels because Mass Effect 2 is simply NOT a open ended RPG.   

Except that there is no canon Shep. Or rather, the canon MShep of the storyline is not necessarily the MShep that I or others end up playing; there are opportunities for variance. FemShep - as much 'canon' as MShep - can be straight, gay, or bi, celebate or a player. There are opportunities for all those romances, but MShep doesn't get the same consideration? Weak.

Their clearly IS a canon, defined within the plot.   For instance, no matter what you do, Liara ends up liking you enough to almost get herself killed saving your lifeless corpse.    

[Temper_Graniteskul]

Valcutio wrote...

Temper_Graniteskul wrote...

newcomplex wrote...

Arik7 wrote...


Give an inch.

It doesn't matter whether BW has included same-sex romance options before or not.  The open-ended RPG genre implies it.   People play RPGs because they wish to create their own adventure.  If an RPG has romances, many people wouldn't be satisfied with strictly hetero choices, not at this day and age.

You know what else open ended RPG implies?   Imagination.    You know what isn't an open ended RPG?   Mass Effect 2.  

Its more akin to "The Witcher" then to anything else.     You didn't see people complaining about the lack of m/m romances for geralt, because people would go batshit nuts if their were, because its been established through a rich canon of lore that he is straight.   Even "Established" is probably to weak a word because the entire goddam story about him killing things and banging chicks.   Being a unashamed womanizer is part of his character.     

Obviously, Shepherd has no previous established canon, and gives you a greater degree of freedom The Witcher, but it is far from true open endedness.   Open ended cRPG shouldn't even have complex dialogue because it limits the role of imagination.     

Perhaps Bioware is trying to set up a canon similar like the White Wolf novels.     And part of that canon is that shepherd is simply not gay.      Your statement is rediculous on so many levels because Mass Effect 2 is simply NOT a open ended RPG.   

Except that there is no canon Shep. FemShep - as much 'canon' as MShep - can be straight, gay, or bi, celebate or a player. There are opportunities for all those romances, but MShep doesn't get the same consideration? Weak.

I've wondered if perhaps Bioware has their sights set on making a movie. Would explain a lot.

Which would be fine. I don't think there's really a problem if they've decided that canon 'John Shepard' is straight. My point being, though, that not everyone who plays an MShep is playing 'John Shepard,' nor do they have to. I mean, canon storyline is (I think) that Kaidan died on Virmire, but I can tell you for certain that's not how it went down in my game.

[ARK of ILKS]

Ryzaki wrote...

Valcutio wrote...
Wow. Maybe I missed somebody else posting but pedophillia isn't anywhere near on topic. As a Christian myself (yeah, there's some ammo for you) - I don't care WHO commits a crime against a child - they all deserve to get shanked in prison. Gay or straight. I'm sorry for those kids but this isn't on topic at all.

I frankly don't give a rats ass what your religion is personally. Its when people try to use it to limit others freedoms that I get pissed off. But yeah. Off topic.

Just sick of the whole pedophila = homosexuality argument.

Because...yeah...its BS.

Anyways onto lighter topics.

Kaidan is soooo gay for Dude Shep. XD 

And yeah methinking him running around in pink armor isn't helping. I know I know, Sterotypes but damnit BioWare did he really need to be in pink armor and fall into Shep's arms?!?

Of course he did.

That is so wrong.
Interpret that in any way you like.

[Ryzaki]

Valcutio wrote...

Arik7 wrote...

newcomplex wrote...
Perhaps Bioware is trying to set up a canon similar like the White Wolf novels.     And part of that canon is that shepherd is simply not gay.      Your statement is rediculous on so many levels because Mass Effect 2 is simply NOT a open ended RPG.   

Your statement is ridiculous because Shepard doesn't even have a gender or a first name, and his or her sexuality has no bearing on the main story line.   A female Shepard can be gay, yet the male version of Shepard absolutely MUST be heterosexual?  That's just homophobic hypocrisy.

His first name is John. Have you played the game?

Have you? You can change it.

[Ascendant_Sith]

I'm playing through Dragon Age right now and was shocked to see not only dialogue but actual gay sex scenes as well---and you can have both male and female partners at once. ME2 could be all the better to have those OPTIONS. It's for players to explore and play as they choose. And there is no "canon" Shepard. Mine for example, is Asian and morally corrupt.

[Ninja Mage]

Ascendant_Sith wrote...

I'm playing through Dragon Age right now and was shocked to see not only dialogue but actual gay sex scenes as well---and you can have both male and female partners at once. ME2 could be all the better to have those OPTIONS. It's for players to explore and play as they choose. And there is no "canon" Shepard. Mine for example, is Asian and morally corrupt.

You have won the logic award

[Valcutio]

Ryzaki wrote...

Valcutio wrote...

Arik7 wrote...

newcomplex wrote...
Perhaps Bioware is trying to set up a canon similar like the White Wolf novels.     And part of that canon is that shepherd is simply not gay.      Your statement is rediculous on so many levels because Mass Effect 2 is simply NOT a open ended RPG.   

Your statement is ridiculous because Shepard doesn't even have a gender or a first name, and his or her sexuality has no bearing on the main story line.   A female Shepard can be gay, yet the male version of Shepard absolutely MUST be heterosexual?  That's just homophobic hypocrisy.

His first name is John. Have you played the game?

Have you? You can change it.

You can change Cloud's name from Final Fantasy VII too. Need I continue?

[Ryzaki]

Valcutio wrote...


You can change Cloud's name from Final Fantasy VII too. Need I continue?

You aren't seriously comparing ME to a JRPG where there is a linear path and you had no control over the main character? 

Because if you are...your argument is failing. And you might want to stop while you aren't six feet under.

[ARK of ILKS]

This forum is getting overrun by morons.

[Valcutio]

Ryzaki wrote...

Valcutio wrote...


You can change Cloud's name from Final Fantasy VII too. Need I continue?

You aren't seriously comparing ME to a JRPG where there is a linear path and you had no control over the main character? 

Because if you are...your argument is failing. And you might want to stop while you aren't six feet under.

I make comparisons where they're applicable. Also, FF7 had quite a few sidequests and optional events and is considered among the greatest RPGs of all time. Linear? To a certain extent. But at the time it was one of the most non-linear games to be developed.

[ARK of ILKS]

nuff said....

[Arik7]

Valcutio wrote...

Arik7 wrote...

newcomplex wrote...
Perhaps Bioware is trying to set up a canon similar like the White Wolf novels.     And part of that canon is that shepherd is simply not gay.      Your statement is rediculous on so many levels because Mass Effect 2 is simply NOT a open ended RPG.   

Your statement is ridiculous because Shepard doesn't even have a gender or a first name, and his or her sexuality has no bearing on the main story line.   A female Shepard can be gay, yet the male version of Shepard absolutely MUST be heterosexual?  That's just homophobic hypocrisy.

His first name is John. Have you played the game?

Yes, but have you figured out the controls yet?   Here's a tip for you: you DON'T have to accept the defaults.

[Ninja Mage]

ARK of ILKS wrote...

This forum is getting overrun by morons.

Say it Ain't So

/jazzhands

[ARK of ILKS]

And heres the sh*t storm

[diskoh]

If you think there is a "canon Shepard" you aren't smart enough for Mass Effect.

[Arik7]

Temper_Graniteskul wrote...

Valcutio wrote...
I've wondered if perhaps Bioware has their sights set on making a movie. Would explain a lot.

Which would be fine. I don't think there's really a problem if they've decided that canon 'John Shepard' is straight. My point being, though, that not everyone who plays an MShep is playing 'John Shepard,' nor do they have to. I mean, canon storyline is (I think) that Kaidan died on Virmire, but I can tell you for certain that's not how it went down in my game.

THIS

[FataliTensei]

ARK of ILKS wrote...

This forum is getting overrun by morons.

That always happens in these threads, trolls from the anti side come in, and trolls from the pro side jut lap up the flames and start throwing them right back

Modifié par FataliTensei, 24 février 2010 - 02:45 .

[ARK of ILKS]

diskoh wrote...

If you think there is a "canon Shepard" you aren't smart enough for Mass Effect.

BURNED & FLAMED b*tch.

[Valcutio]

FataliTensei wrote...

ARK of ILKS wrote...

This forum is getting overrun by morons.

That always happens in these forums, trolls from the anti side come in, and trolls from the pro side jut lap up the flames and start throwing them right back

But it's sooo entertaining!

[Temper_Graniteskul]

I play almost exclusively as MShep. He's been an engineer and a soldier, paragon and neutral, Earthborn, spacer, and colonist. His name's been different every time. None of these are canon Shepard, or 'John Shepard.' Jane Shepard, as much canon as John, can be gay, bi, or straight. There is nothing to demand that all MSheps be straight to satisfy some claim that 'John Shepard' is straight, because a lot of us aren't playing 'John Shepard.'

[King Gigglez]

diskoh wrote...

If you think there is a "canon Shepard" you aren't smart enough for Mass Effect.

can i shoot Shepard out of a canon cause other people can't play?

[Ryzaki]

Valcutio wrote...



I make comparisons where they're applicable. Also, FF7 had quite a few sidequests and optional events and is considered among the greatest RPGs of all time. Linear? To a certain extent. But at the time it was one of the most non-linear games to be developed.

You just compared FF7 to ME2 in terms of linerity.



...

There are just...no words...

I love FF7 as much as the next person but optional events and sidequests do not a non-linear game make.

You're saying FF7, a game where you had to recruit specific people, almost always reacted the same to them, could not change anything in the game, couldn't have any input other than going places, choosing to do sidequests (and there was usually only one way to do them) to a game that you can choose at least 2 different ways to go about everything is just...

Logic...Fail.

[tmelange]

It's too bad that BW decided to make the Kelly character a female. That character slot would have been great as a male, and as an m/m fling option for Male Shep. It would have been a great way to give female Shep another human option, been the non-sexist route for that job type, and somewhat placated the m/m issue.



Yep, a cute male yeoman, hero-worshipping and flirting with my male Shep. Lost opportunity...

[ARK of ILKS]

Heres a thought.

"CANON" shepard married Liara and now live on the Virmire Crater with a few baby Krogan... Whoops.

[FataliTensei]

Temper_Graniteskul wrote...

I play almost exclusively as MShep. He's been an engineer and a soldier, paragon and neutral, Earthborn, spacer, and colonist. His name's been different every time. None of these are canon Shepard, or 'John Shepard.' Jane Shepard, as much canon as John, can be gay, bi, or straight. There is nothing to demand that all MSheps be straight to satisfy some claim that 'John Shepard' is straight, because a lot of us aren't playing 'John Shepard.'

I've never played John or Jane Shepard(boooooring names ) and I don't intend to ever