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[Valcutio]

diskoh wrote...

If you think there is a "canon Shepard" you aren't smart enough for Mass Effect.

Tell me if you can marry Wrex and then land on Earth to settle down on a quiet little ranch where you adopt a couple kids.

Oh wait, you can't? Guess there's a bit of canon in there after all.

BTW, did you buy the flower from Aeris when she offered? Wonder which decision is considered canon.

[Ryzaki]

This thread pretty much is this at the moment:

[ARK of ILKS]

tmelange wrote...

It's too bad that BW decided to make the Kelly character a female. That character slot would have been great as a male, and as an m/m fling option for Male Shep. It would have been a great way to give female Shep another human option, been the non-sexist route for that job type, and somewhat placated the m/m issue.

Yep, a cute male yeoman, hero-worshipping and flirting with my male Shep. Lost opportunity...

I support Kaiden getting out of the closet in ME14. WHOs WITH ME?

[Temper_Graniteskul]

tmelange wrote...

It's too bad that BW decided to make the Kelly character a female. That character slot would have been great as a male, and as an m/m fling option for Male Shep. It would have been a great way to give female Shep another human option, been the non-sexist route for that job type, and somewhat placated the m/m issue.

Yep, a cute male yeoman, hero-worshipping and flirting with my male Shep. Lost opportunity...

That could have been an interesting option for the start of ME2. Choose the sex of your Kelly Chambers yeoman psychologist/assistant.

[Valcutio]

Ryzaki wrote...

Valcutio wrote...



I make comparisons where they're applicable. Also, FF7 had quite a few sidequests and optional events and is considered among the greatest RPGs of all time. Linear? To a certain extent. But at the time it was one of the most non-linear games to be developed.

You just compared FF7 to ME2 in terms of linerity.



...

There are just...no words...

I love FF7 as much as the next person but optional events and sidequests do not a non-linear game make.

You're saying FF7, a game where you had to recruit specific people, almost always reacted the same to them, could not change anything in the game, couldn't have any input other than going places, choosing to do sidequests (and there was usually only one way to do them) to a game that you can choose at least 2 different ways to go about everything is just...

Logic...Fail.

I had no idea that Yuffie and Vincent weren't optional. Gee, I learned something new!

[ARK of ILKS]

Valcutio wrote...

diskoh wrote...

If you think there is a "canon Shepard" you aren't smart enough for Mass Effect.

Tell me if you can marry Wrex and then land on Earth to settle down on a quiet little ranch where you adopt a couple kids.

Oh wait, you can't? Guess there's a bit of canon in there after all.

BTW, did you buy the flower from Aeris when she offered? Wonder which decision is considered canon.

assh*l*.

[newcomplex]

Arik7 wrote...

newcomplex wrote...
Perhaps Bioware is trying to set up a canon similar like the White Wolf novels.     And part of that canon is that shepherd is simply not gay.      Your statement is rediculous on so many levels because Mass Effect 2 is simply NOT a open ended RPG.   

Your statement is ridiculous because Shepard doesn't even have a gender or a first name, and his or her sexuality has no bearing on the main story line.   A female Shepard can be gay, yet the male version of Shepard absolutely MUST be heterosexual?  That's just homophobic hypocrisy.

First of all, not everyone who disagrees with you is homophobic.    When you make baseless accusations like that, you sound like a blathering retard.

I think to an extent, not only does a female shepherd can lesbian (femsheps can't be gay ), I could argue that she has to be at least bisexual/bicurious/"open minded" (like kelly ).     Regardless of your specific decisions, ME is set up, so to speak "all roads lead to rome".   

As a femshep, Liara must like you.    Liara clearly has feeling for you, romantic ones, as evident in the mass effect comics.     People simply do not act like that towards someone who no only dislikes them, but is biologically incapable of liking them on a romantic level, and it is made clear expressedly so.    The mass effect comics shed light that Liaras mind melding with you (a nessecity to the plot) was an intimate experience that on some level, was reciprocated by you.     This isn't contradicted by anything that happens regardless of the decisions you make in ME1, including romancing Kaidan, Liara clearly holds those feelings dear to her.    

In fact, not only is her infatuation of you a nessicity for the events of ME2 to continue, its also one of the few themes explored in mass effect that can be truely considered deep.    Its also fairly revolutionary that it can occur on a same-sex channel (unlike some past bioware games which substituted the opposing gender).     

Thus in that regard, whether you are straight, lesbian, or otherwise, its irrelevent, because your going to be entangled in a homosexual relationship with Liara regardless of player choice.     Even if you ultimately choose to reject Liara, that in itself is poignant and relevent to the plot.    

The converse is true if you are playing a male shep.   If your a balls deep kinda gay, it would be unlikely that liara would have percieved you reciprocated the intimacy during the mind-melding at some level.     Liara would have been less attached to you, and possibly did not succeed in rescueing you.   

And of course, as my less eloquent friend stated above, you aren't allowed to go completely off the plot-line.     My thesis is how interactions with your crew members will drastically shape the landscape of the ME universe.    It would be fallacious to imply that uncloseted homosexuality does not cause differences in interaction with the same, and the opposite sex, due to social elements that are ingrained in our society.

it inevitably causes sexulity to be intrinsically linked to the development of the plot.    This is true for femshep, and it is true to a lesser extent for maleshep.     This is going beyond "hurp I can't romance Wrex".     To give an analogue, a homosexual maleshep can cause the plot reverbration of casting women to play "wait for godet", or men to act in "The Vagina monologues".    Mass Effect is far below the calibar of those works, but even in Space Opera, sexuality and gender roles can be incorperates as relavent elements.   

What people are forgetting is that games are a creative medium that are suppose to be expression on the creators behalf as much as it is mass media.     You may wish to role play a same sex romance, and I have nothing against you petitioning bioware for it.    But keep in mind, Bioware, and specifically ME's writers are artists inasmuch of a way they are game developers.    If they so choose that m/m relationship compromises the central themes of the reverbration of [romantic] interaction, then them ommitting it from their game is a perfectly defensible premise.    It isn't my place to make that decision, I personally would O.K, I have nothing against it, and I like some controvery from faux news, makes me lols, but it isn't my decision to make, and it isn't yours either.   Its up to the discretion of the creator.   

Modifié par newcomplex, 24 février 2010 - 03:03 .

[Ninja Mage]

Valcutio is gay. And I have the pics to prove it!

[ARK of ILKS]

I predict this thread will end with everyone talking about Liara's Fornax contract.

[thedekker]

newcomplex wrote...

Hey, your allowed to chose the sexual orientation of your male shepherd, their just happen to be no gay guys on the Normandy. tough luck

YES! good point.




First off, its a Video Game

Second, as far as lore goes and as far as the developers will say (which i totally agree with); LIARA is  NOT FEMALE. she is an ASEXUAL being that can reproduce with any sentient being.

THIRD, Thread Starter, you're not even a gay male what does it matter to you?

Forth, Maybe Kaiden just wasnt that much into you...

Modifié par thedekker, 24 février 2010 - 02:53 .

[comicfan22]

FataliTensei wrote...

Temper_Graniteskul wrote...

I play almost exclusively as MShep. He's been an engineer and a soldier, paragon and neutral, Earthborn, spacer, and colonist. His name's been different every time. None of these are canon Shepard, or 'John Shepard.' Jane Shepard, as much canon as John, can be gay, bi, or straight. There is nothing to demand that all MSheps be straight to satisfy some claim that 'John Shepard' is straight, because a lot of us aren't playing 'John Shepard.'

I've never played John or Jane Shepard(boooooring names ) and I don't intend to ever

Off-subject: I once made a Shepard called Tapas Shepard cause I was hungry for Spanish food.

[ARK of ILKS]

Ninja Mage wrote...


Valcutio is gay. And I have the pics to prove it!

ELCOR IMPERSONATION:

Suspicious, where did you acquire Valcuttio's gay proof pics?

[sw33ts]

Hmm, kay back to Queer as Folk. Sunshine just got his head bashed in.



=O

[Ninja Mage]

Did anyone else think Liara went bat**** in ME2? she kept telling me to kill the shadow broker and I was like "WHY?" and then she had meth face and said.." BECAUZ OF MY PAST!!" jeez Liara..you've gone crazy

[King Gigglez]

ARK of ILKS wrote...

I predict this thread will end with everyone talking about Liara's Fornax contract.

When did this happen? i thought i was up to date with last months issue?

[ARK of ILKS]

3 hours.... aweasome

[Ryzaki]

comicfan22 wrote...

FataliTensei wrote...

Temper_Graniteskul wrote...

I play almost exclusively as MShep. He's been an engineer and a soldier, paragon and neutral, Earthborn, spacer, and colonist. His name's been different every time. None of these are canon Shepard, or 'John Shepard.' Jane Shepard, as much canon as John, can be gay, bi, or straight. There is nothing to demand that all MSheps be straight to satisfy some claim that 'John Shepard' is straight, because a lot of us aren't playing 'John Shepard.'

I've never played John or Jane Shepard(boooooring names ) and I don't intend to ever

Off-subject: I once made a Shepard called Tapas Shepard cause I was hungry for Spanish food.

Lulz.

I going to make a Squall Shepard. And he's going to use Meer's monotone. To pretend to be all stoic and stuff.

He's going to have spikey hair and slice his wrists. Because you know ME and FF7 are so similar.
Oh and he's going to believe in the "lifestream". And such.

Also: LOL at FF7 canon when they have a retcon everytime something else FF7 related comes out. Zack goes from dying from 3 guys to taking out an army. Guess one game canon cancelled out the other huh? 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 24 février 2010 - 02:57 .

[Ninja Mage]

This party is off the hizooouuuttttt! We need some hookers up in here

~ Turns up music~

Modifié par Ninja Mage, 24 février 2010 - 02:57 .

[CommanderShawn]

ARK of ILKS wrote...

Ninja Mage wrote...


Valcutio is gay. And I have the pics to prove it!

ELCOR IMPERSONATION:

Suspicious, where did you acquire Valcuttio's gay proof pics?

lol i would like to know too

[Arik7]

newcomplex wrote...
Wall of text

I'm sorry but that sh*t your wrote about Liara just sounds like a homophobic excuse, and a poor one at that.
A gay male Shepard could reject Liara just like a straight female Shepard could reject her.

Modifié par Arik7, 24 février 2010 - 02:59 .

[Valcutio]

Yup, my work is done here.



*throws a smoke bomb*

[addiction21]

comicfan22 wrote...

FataliTensei wrote...

Temper_Graniteskul wrote...

I play almost exclusively as MShep. He's been an engineer and a soldier, paragon and neutral, Earthborn, spacer, and colonist. His name's been different every time. None of these are canon Shepard, or 'John Shepard.' Jane Shepard, as much canon as John, can be gay, bi, or straight. There is nothing to demand that all MSheps be straight to satisfy some claim that 'John Shepard' is straight, because a lot of us aren't playing 'John Shepard.'

I've never played John or Jane Shepard(boooooring names ) and I don't intend to ever

Off-subject: I once made a Shepard called Tapas Shepard cause I was hungry for Spanish food.

I will give you three guess's as to what name I give to my Sheps as their first name...

[thedekker]

Off-subject: I once made a Shepard called Tapas Shepard cause I was hungry for Spanish food.

I'm a fan of Shep Shepard...anyone ever play him?

Modifié par thedekker, 24 février 2010 - 02:59 .

[ImperialOperative]

Arik7 wrote...

We're talking about an RPG here, not a novel.   BioWare tells us that we can create OUR Shepard however we want.  We CAN chose Shepard's sexuality, but only if our Shepard is female.

BioWare's glaring exlusion of m/m choices in ME games + banning of same-sex romance threads is bordering on homophobic.

Sorry to break it to you, but Bioware doesn't make games where "you make your own true to life whatever you want" character.  Bioware provides parameters for you at their discretion, and you go through them at your liesure.

Bioware games are the "Choose Your Own Adventure" of the video game world.

[tmelange]

Temper_Graniteskul wrote...

tmelange wrote...

It's too bad that BW decided to make the Kelly character a female. That character slot would have been great as a male, and as an m/m fling option for Male Shep. It would have been a great way to give female Shep another human option, been the non-sexist route for that job type, and somewhat placated the m/m issue.

Yep, a cute male yeoman, hero-worshipping and flirting with my male Shep. Lost opportunity...

That could have been an interesting option for the start of ME2. Choose the sex of your Kelly Chambers yeoman psychologist/assistant.

That would have been excellent. There were so many ways BW could have gone to give somewhat equal treatment to the homosexuality issue, if they were going to treat with it at all, that it's a real shame they seem to have made such a loud statement by what they chose not to include. They can spin the issue but the way they ramped up the number and changed the style of relationships in ME2, adding another f/f and allowing un-anticipated xeno-romances, while ignoring even an m/m fling option is a horrible step backward for them as a progressive developer. Of course, they can do what they want but it really is a shame.

Modifié par tmelange, 24 février 2010 - 03:00 .