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[CommanderShawn]

MajorStranger wrote...

Let get this straight (no pun intended) Shepard is a Marine, therefore he is a Military. Right now, in USA they don't let homosexual men join the force. Consider that.

Or maybe Bioware didn't put Male/Male romance because of FoxNews... 'nuff said

wow forgot that Shepard was a marine lol agree with you on this one

[sw33ts]

ImperialOperative wrote...

Ryazaki is obviously a chinese martial artist, and female yes.

Isn't she?

[ARK of ILKS]

Ninja Mage wrote...


Ark's a girl too he has a mangina

I do have a Mangina.... its 12 inches long.

(my father is black & im white.... what can I say)

lucky as hell, thats what I say.

[Daewan]

So wait, waffles, or is serious discussion time over?



To suggest that m/m being bad for sales implies that there are no people with excess disposable incomes willing to indulge their sexual preference or explore new ones, and yet, porn sites remain the most profitable sites on the internet. Sex sells. Sex sells really, really well. Even the most moderate hint of it piques interest in a product (Hermione in a wet t-shirt; nuff said).

Some rabid christian group threatened to boycott Disney for supporting same-sex relationships; that didn't work so well. Calvin Klein never suffered any serious backlash for his underwear ads. In fact, the last time a boycott managed to seriously change anything in the purchasing habits of the American public was the Prohibition.

I'm pretty sure that Bioware is just waiting for the US Military to join this century before they put the option in.

[Ryzaki]

sw33ts wrote...

ImperialOperative wrote...

Ryazaki is obviously a chinese martial artist, and female yes.

Isn't she?

*sniffles*

I'm BLACK damnit!

*runs away crying*



And I'm a ninja! 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 24 février 2010 - 03:24 .

[ImperialOperative]

ARK of ILKS wrote...

Ninja Mage wrote...


Ark's a girl too he has a mangina

I do have a Mangina.... its 12 inches long.

(my father is black & im white.... what can I say)

lucky as hell, thats what I say.

What the f*** are you talking about?

Obviously you're a red chile pepper.

Modifié par ImperialOperative, 24 février 2010 - 03:24 .

[Arik7]

DaeJi wrote...

MajorStranger wrote...

Let get this straight (no pun intended) Shepard is a Marine, therefore he is a Military. Right now, in USA they don't let homosexual men join the force. Consider that.

Or maybe Bioware didn't put Male/Male romance because of FoxNews... 'nuff said

Gay men (and women) can join the military, they are just not supposed to open talk about their sexuality. Besides that, the Alliance is not a U.S. institution but a multi-national one. As for FOX News, never did they mention anything about gay sex, just that Mass Effect was a kind of sex sim (they were wrong, of course).

And that didn't stop the DAO team from including a M/M relationship.

Modifié par Arik7, 24 février 2010 - 03:24 .

[sw33ts]

CommanderShawn wrote...

MajorStranger wrote...

Let get this straight (no pun intended) Shepard is a Marine, therefore he is a Military. Right now, in USA they don't let homosexual men join the force. Consider that.

Or maybe Bioware didn't put Male/Male romance because of FoxNews... 'nuff said

wow forgot that Shepard was a marine lol agree with you on this one

O_o

But they do let gays in the military they just can't come out...and plus Bioware is based in Canada I thought...and they allow all the rainbows in the military.

[Ninja Mage]

Right on Ryuuichi..I'm so totally on that



~ Pre-Teen Valley girl, dumb-blonde scream complete with hair shaking and ipod toss~



I HATE YOU ALL

[sw33ts]

Ryzaki wrote...

sw33ts wrote...

ImperialOperative wrote...

Ryazaki is obviously a chinese martial artist, and female yes.

Isn't she?

*sniffles*

I'm BLACK damnit!

*runs away crying*



And I'm a ninja! 

Lul.  ninjas can't cry. sorry.

Modifié par sw33ts, 24 février 2010 - 03:25 .

[newcomplex]

Arik7 wrote...

ARK of ILKS wrote...

newcomplex wrote...

ARK of ILKS wrote...

Serious discussion or not.... this malexmale thing is a little off for ME.

But BW apperantly believes a female gay shepard is fine.... NOW THATS OFF.

Actually, female lesbian shep is actually a very deep complex element, possibly one of the best sub-plots bioware ever wrote.    

riiiight. I dont see your point

Pandering to horny FPS teenagers is now a very deep complex element.....

My point is that femsheps relationship with Liara is far beyond femservice.    Its actually a pretty deep issue in its own right.   

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/103/index/1396600/13#1400175

This is contrary to your position of including gay romances to pander horny homosexual men.   Which is literally just pandering as it can be argued it doesn't even make sense, unless its a bisexual romance, and even then, it would serve no point other then to be fanservice, unless they work it into the plot.    Working a homosexual m/m relationship into the plot of a major x-box game that isn't veiled in jade empire subtlety isn't workable in this political climate.    


Its also kind of annoying whenever someone starts one of these threads, instead of getting serious discourse people like to turn it into a chat thread.   

Modifié par newcomplex, 24 février 2010 - 03:28 .

[ARK of ILKS]

Ryzaki wrote...

ARK of ILKS wrote...

The title read: "from girl's point of view", but the only girl here is Rizaki....

She is a girl right? right?

Can't even get my name right.

I HATE YOU!!!

*sterotypically pre-teen european white girl scream complete with stomping* 

SCREW YOU!!!!

Your opinion is apperantly the only one that metters. The rest of us are just morons.

[Ninja Mage]

Ryuuichi is blackasian like Tiger Woods, she knows how to cook friend chicken and chicken Lo-Mein ^_~ lol

[ImperialOperative]

Ryzaki wrote...

...Black...
And I'm a ninja! 

Hold your horses.  Black people are not allowed to be ninjas, the rule of the universe has dictated so.

[tyddrwsau]

newcomplex wrote...

In order for a thing to be "sexual" in any way shape or form, it needs to reproduce through sex.     Liara reproduces though mindmelding, and using genetic material as a catalyst for mutation in the self fertilizing fetus.    She is Asexual.     She does not engage in sex with either gender to reproduce.    

I think you're conflating "sexual reproduction" with "sexual behaviour." The Codex and game lore completely support your point that Asari do not need intercourse or even physical contact to reproduce - they use telempathic interface with their partner's genetic memory to stimulate a degree of genetic randomization in their offspring. For Commander Shepards of whatever gender that romanced Liara T'Soni, when they went through the Mu Relay to Ilos, they did not engage in sexual reproduction. They had sexual intercourse. Liara was more likely to get pregnant while interpreting the Cipher (Asari-Human-Prothean gene randomization time!) than during the sensual romp... but romp she did. As you acknowledge, it wasn't a ******- or heterosexual encounter for *her*, but it was one or the other for Shepard (with a rather open-minded xenophiliac twist).

Not every Shepard in the game experience went that route with Liara, though. I completely support your thesis that the experience of traveling with Commander Shepard, experiencing the validation of her archaeological theories (and then some!), the death of her mother, her first several experiences with telempathic intimacy with another person, and everything else was undoubtedly a deeply emotional and life changing experience for Liara. I doubt Shepard's sexual orientation - whatever it is - would change that one bit.

For those who are offering the argument that Shepard is first and foremost the character of her/his authors at BioWare - to a good extent you're right. They get to be the storytellers who establish the parameters of what Shepard's Story is like and the choices we get to make as we play through it. At the same time, Shepard is in no way their character exclusively! They write the characters, put a lot of work (and probably a fair bit of loving care) into fleshing out the different possibilities of how they act in the interest of telling a good story and in the hopes that their story will resonate with us: the Gamers. They've succeeded! We love their games. We play them over and over, we fiddle away our time on their message boards because we were so affected by the story and the world and the game that we want *more* and choose this as a place wherein we pursue that. 

Those of us in support of same-sex romance options are telling the storytellers: this is a feature that would be really awesome.

[guise709]

ME1 Shepard wasn't homosexual and so for the sake of continuing the chain they had to make it so in the next ME game as well as its subsequent follow up.

[Ninja Mage]

That's not true, I'm black and i'm a ninja..



BELIEVE IT! (I hate that show)

[ARK of ILKS]

And the discussions go to hell again. This is becoming stupid.

[sw33ts]

We black ppl blend better into the night. Of course we can be ninjas as long as we've had our fried chicken and watermelon first.



ME1 Tali wasn't an LI and so for the sake of continuing the chain they had to make it so she wasn't an LI in any ME game as well as its subsequent follow up.



ohohoho.

[Ryzaki]

ImperialOperative wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

...Black...
And I'm a ninja! 

Hold your horses.  Black people are not allowed to be ninjas, the rule of the universe has dictated so.

You..You

(I'd post the That's racist!" kid .gif But Woo might overreact as always <_< )

RACIST!

*runs away crying*

Modifié par Ryzaki, 24 février 2010 - 03:30 .

[newcomplex]

ARK of ILKS wrote...

And the discussions go to hell again. This is becoming stupid.

Well thats not a fucking surprise genius, you've contributed nothing but spam and chat this entire thread.

[ARK of ILKS]

Ninja Mage wrote...


That's not true, I'm black and i'm a ninja..

BELIEVE IT! (I hate that show)

I hate that show too.

[addiction21]

newcomplex wrote...


Let me give you some fun facts.

In order for a thing to be "sexual" in any way shape or form, it needs to reproduce through sex.     Liara reproduces though mindmelding, and using genetic material as a catalyst for mutation in the self fertilizing fetus.    She is Asexual.     She does not engage in sex with either gender to reproduce.    

However, to provide a balanced analysis, femshep is human.    Human engage in sex, and have sexual preferences.   While Liara is neither homosexual or hetereosexual, the act of femshep having a relationship with Liara is homosexual in nature.     Because while liara does not engage in sex, and she reproduces asexually, she in fact, has a sex, female.    

In short, for Liara, its a normal relationship.    For femshep, its a homosexual one.    A femshep who romances liara clearly has homosexual tendencies, but Liara herself is asexual.    

I am sorry for being serious guys.

You are looking at sex from a stictly human point of view tho.
Take out all the huffing, puffing, Dowel rod A into slot B, and what is at the core of sex, what is its purpose. The mixing of genetic material to produce a offspring. Their "mindmeld" as you call it does exactly that and they approach that act in a way and treat it as we do in a sexual manner.
Just saying thats my two cents. I return you to your regularly programmed sillyness

[Ninja Mage]

Woo- I like to dress in asian drag from time to time..LOL

Woo- Ooh Me so horny

~ Woo pulls invisible train horn~ WOO WWOOOO WOOOOO

End of line lol

Modifié par Ninja Mage, 24 février 2010 - 03:32 .

[ImperialOperative]

Ninja Mage wrote...


That's not true, I'm black and i'm a ninja..

BELIEVE IT! (I hate that show)

I like the manga.

Most dubbed japanise animation turns into crap, well at least when it's aimed at a younger audience.  I find the productions on adult swim to be rather well done (Death Note, FMA, Bleach, etc).