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[FataliTensei]

tyddrwsau wrote...

newcomplex wrote...

This is contrary to your position of including gay romances to pander horny homosexual men. 

Whoa, now, you're using the broad brush a bit there, neighbour. I've zero interest in a video game for titillation purposes. That's what my husband is for. I do enjoy romantic character development in various media for its narrative value. Games are great, in contradistinction to other media, because of their interactive value. (I can't abide most television: it has too many adverts and good storytelling is too rare. I'd rather play a game I can be involved in.) It is a rather different story - in that place where imagination fills in the silent voids - if Commander Shepard is relaxing with Kaidan after both heroes have learned to relax just a little with one another, or if the Commander has passed through Jack's brusque shell and confided in the real person underneath, or if the Commander fear's Thane's illness and ignominious death to disease more than the Reapers. In Mass Effect we play the Hero. Through relationships with the squad, and especially the romances, we gain access to those precious few moments where we can imagine Shepard the person, not Shepard "the-one-who-wields-the-gun."

For a gay player, used to being treated as a) nonexistent comic relief c) standard trope tragic figure  in various media, the option to play a really cool gay hero can be a really meaningful thing. For an open-minded player of other persuasions, it's another lens through which to imagine a parallel tale: "so THIS is what makes Shepard who he is, and THIS is what's important to him!"

Character development... who IS Commander Shepard, and why do we care? The romance helps us to imagine. A same-sex romance broadens the possibilities, and all to the good.
 

Its also kind of annoying whenever someone starts one of these threads, instead of getting serious discourse people like to turn it into a chat thread.   

I cannot disagree.

This should be put in the FAQ

[ImperialOperative]

ARK of ILKS wrote...

xxxxx?

Yeah, think about it a little.

[newcomplex]

tyddrwsau wrote...

Whoa, now, you're using the broad brush a bit there, neighbour. I've zero interest in a video game for titillation purposes. That's what my husband is for. I do enjoy romantic character development in various media for its narrative value. Games are great, in contradistinction to other media, because of their interactive value. (I can't abide most television: it has too many adverts and good storytelling is too rare. I'd rather play a game I can be involved in.) It is a rather different story - in that place where imagination fills in the silent voids - if Commander Shepard is relaxing with Kaidan after both heroes have learned to relax just a little with one another, or if the Commander has passed through Jack's brusque shell and confided in the real person underneath, or if the Commander fear's Thane's illness and ignominious death to disease more than the Reapers. In Mass Effect we play the Hero. Through relationships with the squad, and especially the romances, we gain access to those precious few moments where we can imagine Shepard the person, not Shepard "the-one-who-wields-the-gun."

For a gay player, used to being treated as a) nonexistent comic relief c) standard trope tragic figure  in various media, the option to play a really cool gay hero can be a really meaningful thing. For an open-minded player of other persuasions, it's another lens through which to imagine a parallel tale: "so THIS is what makes Shepard who he is, and THIS is what's important to him!"

Character development... who IS Commander Shepard, and why do we care? The romance helps us to imagine. A same-sex romance broadens the possibilities, and all to the good.
 

Sorry if I offended you, I was being facetious, as a response to that guy saying Liara was fanservice to over-sexed teens.     Over-generalizing on purpose.    I agree with everything you said 100%.    Great post.

But my point is that their is plot relavence to shepherds sexuality.   It is very minor, but that makes it in the domain of Bioware writers.    Not us.   

(for the previously mentioned sexual tensions between you and Liara, which literally causes liara to revive you for round 2)   

Modifié par newcomplex, 24 février 2010 - 03:52 .

[Temper_Graniteskul]

tyddrwsau wrote...

newcomplex wrote...

This is contrary to your position of including gay romances to pander horny homosexual men. 

Whoa, now, you're using the broad brush a bit there, neighbour. I've zero interest in a video game for titillation purposes. That's what my husband is for. I do enjoy romantic character development in various media for its narrative value. Games are great, in contradistinction to other media, because of their interactive value. (I can't abide most television: it has too many adverts and good storytelling is too rare. I'd rather play a game I can be involved in.) It is a rather different story - in that place where imagination fills in the silent voids - if Commander Shepard is relaxing with Kaidan after both heroes have learned to relax just a little with one another, or if the Commander has passed through Jack's brusque shell and confided in the real person underneath, or if the Commander fear's Thane's illness and ignominious death to disease more than the Reapers. In Mass Effect we play the Hero. Through relationships with the squad, and especially the romances, we gain access to those precious few moments where we can imagine Shepard the person, not Shepard "the-one-who-wields-the-gun."

For a gay player, used to being treated as a) nonexistent comic relief c) standard trope tragic figure  in various media, the option to play a really cool gay hero can be a really meaningful thing. For an open-minded player of other persuasions, it's another lens through which to imagine a parallel tale: "so THIS is what makes Shepard who he is, and THIS is what's important to him!"

Character development... who IS Commander Shepard, and why do we care? The romance helps us to imagine. A same-sex romance broadens the possibilities, and all to the good.

This. So, so much.

[ImperialOperative]

Ryzaki wrote...



This is why I love Bleach.

Bleach is kickass.

Of course Aizen was speaking literally though, lulz.

Modifié par ImperialOperative, 24 février 2010 - 03:50 .

[Ryzaki]

ImperialOperative wrote...


Bleach is kickass.

Of course Aizen was speaking literally though, lulz.

Doesn't stop the Foe Yay however. <3

And yeah. Fangirls.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 24 février 2010 - 03:54 .

[diskoh]

newcomplex wrote...


http://en.wikipedia....al_reproduction

"Asexual reproduction is reproduction which does not involve meiosis,
ploidy reduction, or fertilization"

Asari certainly do not employ any of those.  

Female is the word for an organism which produces ova cells.

The codex say they are female, therefor they produce ova cells which are fertilized during reproduction. Therefor they are not asexual.

Modifié par diskoh, 24 février 2010 - 03:52 .

[Ninja Mage]

Temper_Graniteskul wrote...

tyddrwsau wrote...

newcomplex wrote...

This is contrary to your position of including gay romances to pander horny homosexual men. 

Whoa, now, you're using the broad brush a bit there, neighbour. I've zero interest in a video game for titillation purposes. That's what my husband is for. I do enjoy romantic character development in various media for its narrative value. Games are great, in contradistinction to other media, because of their interactive value. (I can't abide most television: it has too many adverts and good storytelling is too rare. I'd rather play a game I can be involved in.) It is a rather different story - in that place where imagination fills in the silent voids - if Commander Shepard is relaxing with Kaidan after both heroes have learned to relax just a little with one another, or if the Commander has passed through Jack's brusque shell and confided in the real person underneath, or if the Commander fear's Thane's illness and ignominious death to disease more than the Reapers. In Mass Effect we play the Hero. Through relationships with the squad, and especially the romances, we gain access to those precious few moments where we can imagine Shepard the person, not Shepard "the-one-who-wields-the-gun."

For a gay player, used to being treated as a) nonexistent comic relief c) standard trope tragic figure  in various media, the option to play a really cool gay hero can be a really meaningful thing. For an open-minded player of other persuasions, it's another lens through which to imagine a parallel tale: "so THIS is what makes Shepard who he is, and THIS is what's important to him!"

Character development... who IS Commander Shepard, and why do we care? The romance helps us to imagine. A same-sex romance broadens the possibilities, and all to the good.

This. So, so much.

Tis true. You know why I liked Dragon Age? Because I could play myself in a video game, and I wasn't a villain or a tragic archetype. I was just a hero, who happened to love a gay elf.

[MajorStranger]

This will shut you up:

Although asari have one gender, they are not asexual. An asari provides
two copies of her own genes to her offspring, which—regardless of the
species or sex of the 'father'—is always an asari. The second set is
altered in a unique process called melding, also known as the joining.


During melding, an asari consciously attunes her nervous system to her
partner's, sending and receiving electrical impulses directly through
the skin. A common phrase used before melding is "embrace eternity,"
presumably to help focus the partner's mind. Effectively, the asari and
her partner briefly become one unified nervous system. This unique
means of reproduction is the reason asari are all talented biotics.
Their evolved ability to consciously control nerve impulses is very
similar to biotic training. The partner can be another asari, or an
alien of any gender. However, since the asari began encountering other
sentient species, non-asari mates have become preferred for the
diversity they provide. This reproductive process can lead to some
confusion among non-asari, who might expect offspring with "mixed"
genes. However, the offspring is always 100% asari, as it does not
actually take DNA from the partner, simply use it as a "map" to
randomize the genes of the offspring.


source:  http://masseffect.wi...i/Asari#Biology

Modifié par MajorStranger, 24 février 2010 - 03:52 .

[ARK of ILKS]

ImperialOperative wrote...

ARK of ILKS wrote...

xxxxx?

Yeah, think about it a little.

The blue light district on Illium?

[newcomplex]

diskoh wrote...

newcomplex wrote...


http://en.wikipedia....al_reproduction

"Asexual reproduction is reproduction which does not involve meiosis,
ploidy reduction, or fertilization"

Asari certainly do not employ any of those.  

Female is the word for an organism which produces ova cells.

The codex say they are female, therefor they produce ova cells which are fertilized during reproduction. Therefor they are not asexual.

They reproduce asexually however.   

[ARK of ILKS]

diskoh wrote...

newcomplex wrote...


http://en.wikipedia....al_reproduction

"Asexual reproduction is reproduction which does not involve meiosis,
ploidy reduction, or fertilization"

Asari certainly do not employ any of those.  

Female is the word for an organism which produces ova cells.

The codex say they are female, therefor they produce ova cells which are fertilized during reproduction. Therefor they are not asexual.

HOLY CRAP..... I knew it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[sw33ts]

FataliTensei wrote...

tyddrwsau wrote...

newcomplex wrote...

This is contrary to your position of including gay romances to pander horny homosexual men. 

Whoa, now, you're using the broad brush a bit there, neighbour. I've zero interest in a video game for titillation purposes. That's what my husband is for. I do enjoy romantic character development in various media for its narrative value. Games are great, in contradistinction to other media, because of their interactive value. (I can't abide most television: it has too many adverts and good storytelling is too rare. I'd rather play a game I can be involved in.) It is a rather different story - in that place where imagination fills in the silent voids - if Commander Shepard is relaxing with Kaidan after both heroes have learned to relax just a little with one another, or if the Commander has passed through Jack's brusque shell and confided in the real person underneath, or if the Commander fear's Thane's illness and ignominious death to disease more than the Reapers. In Mass Effect we play the Hero. Through relationships with the squad, and especially the romances, we gain access to those precious few moments where we can imagine Shepard the person, not Shepard "the-one-who-wields-the-gun."

For a gay player, used to being treated as a) nonexistent comic relief c) standard trope tragic figure  in various media, the option to play a really cool gay hero can be a really meaningful thing. For an open-minded player of other persuasions, it's another lens through which to imagine a parallel tale: "so THIS is what makes Shepard who he is, and THIS is what's important to him!"

Character development... who IS Commander Shepard, and why do we care? The romance helps us to imagine. A same-sex romance broadens the possibilities, and all to the good.
 

Its also kind of annoying whenever someone starts one of these threads, instead of getting serious discourse people like to turn it into a chat thread.   

I cannot disagree.

This should be put in the FAQ

I'll have to ask Mr./Mrs.

[sw33ts]

double post.

Modifié par sw33ts, 24 février 2010 - 03:54 .

[Ninja Mage]

U_U lol

[MajorStranger]

Asari reproduction doesn't require coitus (penetration), check my last post for more info

[ARK of ILKS]

The original topic has been completaly lost.



I bet no one remembers what it was about

[newcomplex]

MajorStranger wrote...

This will shut you up:

Although asari have one gender, they are not asexual. An asari provides
two copies of her own genes to her offspring, which—regardless of the
species or sex of the 'father'—is always an asari. The second set is
altered in a unique process called melding, also known as the joining.


During melding, an asari consciously attunes her nervous system to her
partner's, sending and receiving electrical impulses directly through
the skin. A common phrase used before melding is "embrace eternity,"
presumably to help focus the partner's mind. Effectively, the asari and
her partner briefly become one unified nervous system. This unique
means of reproduction is the reason asari are all talented biotics.
Their evolved ability to consciously control nerve impulses is very
similar to biotic training. The partner can be another asari, or an
alien of any gender. However, since the asari began encountering other
sentient species, non-asari mates have become preferred for the
diversity they provide. This reproductive process can lead to some
confusion among non-asari, who might expect offspring with "mixed"
genes. However, the offspring is always 100% asari, as it does not
actually take DNA from the partner, simply use it as a "map" to
randomize the genes of the offspring.


source:  http://masseffect.wi...i/Asari#Biology

hmm...ok then....its not really relavent for me, it isn't the point of contention.   

[Ryzaki]

MajorStranger wrote...

This will shut you up:

Although asari have one gender, they are not asexual. An asari provides
two copies of her own genes to her offspring, which—regardless of the
species or sex of the 'father'—is always an asari. The second set is
altered in a unique process called melding, also known as the joining.


During melding, an asari consciously attunes her nervous system to her
partner's, sending and receiving electrical impulses directly through
the skin. A common phrase used before melding is "embrace eternity,"
presumably to help focus the partner's mind. Effectively, the asari and
her partner briefly become one unified nervous system. This unique
means of reproduction is the reason asari are all talented biotics.
Their evolved ability to consciously control nerve impulses is very
similar to biotic training. The partner can be another asari, or an
alien of any gender. However, since the asari began encountering other
sentient species, non-asari mates have become preferred for the
diversity they provide. This reproductive process can lead to some
confusion among non-asari, who might expect offspring with "mixed"
genes. However, the offspring is always 100% asari, as it does not
actually take DNA from the partner, simply use it as a "map" to
randomize the genes of the offspring.


source:  http://masseffect.wi...i/Asari#Biology

FINALLY!!!

Though you'll still get people saying that the CODEX is wrong and only Hudson is right. <_<

[MajorStranger]

if the game say, it's canon in my opinion

[Ninja Mage]

She was always female OMG ;p lol

[diskoh]

newcomplex wrote...

diskoh wrote...

newcomplex wrote...


http://en.wikipedia....al_reproduction

"Asexual reproduction is reproduction which does not involve meiosis,
ploidy reduction, or fertilization"

Asari certainly do not employ any of those.  

Female is the word for an organism which produces ova cells.

The codex say they are female, therefor they produce ova cells which are fertilized during reproduction. Therefor they are not asexual.

They reproduce asexually however.   

The link you just posted yourself says that asexual reproduction is reproduction without fertilization.

Asari produce ova cells which are fertilized during reproduction by the 'father.'

[Ninja Mage]

I guess Garrus was a cheeseburger and Tali was a wrench too U_U

[ARK of ILKS]

We've hit the point of no return.



This is ARK of ILKS signing off.

[Ninja Mage]

I hate when people bring this asari **** up...you can tell it's a chick