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[Ninja Mage]

What was the topic? I can't...I can't remember!!! O_O



~SCREAAMS~

[ARK of ILKS]

werent you going to bed?

[ImperialOperative]

diskoh wrote...

The link you just posted yourself says that asexual reproduction is reproduction without fertilization.

Asari produce ova cells which are fertilized during reproduction by the 'father.'

Nothing in the codex states that Asari make use of Ova or fertilization.  The asari provide all of the genetic material.

Modifié par ImperialOperative, 24 février 2010 - 04:00 .

[huddini]

M/M is most likely not accepted in society today, hence it was excluded out, it would hurt Bioware in the long run if they included it.





But just because they don't include it doesn't mean they're homohobic or anything.

[Ninja Mage]

yeah I am, night all

[ARK of ILKS]

Good night man.

[newcomplex]

The point isn't relevant to anything, its taxonomical. I mean, I could argue that Liara is neither male or female because her reproductive functions match up with neither, at all. In which case having sex with another species of either gender would be another gender, because to my knowledge, no other species uses mind-melding as a genetic catalyst to reproduce. In which case she'd be hetereosexual. But femshep romancing her would be homosexual.

Its a moot point, because its taxonomy, a subject that has no base in reality, only in the leading scientific institution. One which none of you are part of.

(the codex doesn't specifiy she's female, only that she has sex...denying that is bigotry in itself as their are humans who believe that they are the 3rd sex, to play the tolerance card)

This is my main point of contention

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Arik7 wrote...

newcomplex wrote...
Perhaps Bioware is trying to set up a canon similar like the White Wolf novels. And part of that canon is that shepherd is simply not gay. Your statement is rediculous on so many levels because Mass Effect 2 is simply NOT a open ended RPG.

Your statement is ridiculous because Shepard doesn't even have a gender or a first name, and his or her sexuality has no bearing on the main story line. A female Shepard can be gay, yet the male version of Shepard absolutely MUST be heterosexual? That's just homophobic hypocrisy.

First of all, not everyone who disagrees with you is homophobic. When you make baseless accusations like that, you sound like a blathering retard.

I think to an extent, not only does a female shepherd can lesbian (femsheps can't be gay ), I could argue that she has to be at least bisexual/bicurious/"open minded" (like kelly ). Regardless of your specific decisions, ME is set up, so to speak "all roads lead to rome".

As a femshep, Liara must like you. Liara clearly has feeling for you, romantic ones, as evident in the mass effect comics. People simply do not act like that towards someone who no only dislikes them, but is biologically incapable of liking them on a romantic level, and it is made clear expressedly so. The mass effect comics shed light that Liaras mind melding with you (a nessecity to the plot) was an intimate experience that on some level, was reciprocated by you. This isn't contradicted by anything that happens regardless of the decisions you make in ME1, including romancing Kaidan, Liara clearly holds those feelings dear to her.

In fact, not only is her infatuation of you a nessicity for the events of ME2 to continue, its also one of the few themes explored in mass effect that can be truely considered deep. Its also fairly revolutionary that it can occur on a same-sex channel (unlike some past bioware games which substituted the opposing gender).

Thus in that regard, whether you are straight, lesbian, or otherwise, its irrelevent, because your going to be entangled in a homosexual relationship with Liara regardless of player choice. Even if you ultimately choose to reject Liara, that in itself is poignant and relevent to the plot.

The converse is true if you are playing a male shep. If your a balls deep kinda gay, it would be unlikely that liara would have percieved you reciprocated the intimacy during the mind-melding at some level. Liara would have been less attached to you, and possibly did not succeed in rescueing you.

And of course, as my less eloquent friend stated above, you aren't allowed to go completely off the plot-line. My thesis is how interactions with your crew members will drastically shape the landscape of the ME universe. It would be fallacious to imply that uncloseted homosexuality does not cause differences in interaction with the same, and the opposite sex, due to social elements that are ingrained in our society.

it inevitably causes sexulity to be intrinsically linked to the development of the plot. This is true for femshep, and it is true to a lesser extent for maleshep. This is going beyond "hurp I can't romance Wrex". To give an analogue, a homosexual maleshep can cause the plot reverbration of casting women to play "wait for godet", or men to act in "The Vagina monologues". Mass Effect is far below the calibar of those works, but even in Space Opera, sexuality and gender roles can be incorperates as relavent elements.

What people are forgetting is that games are a creative medium that are suppose to be expression on the creators behalf as much as it is mass media. You may wish to role play a same sex romance, and I have nothing against you petitioning bioware for it. But keep in mind, Bioware, and specifically ME's writers are artists inasmuch of a way they are game developers. If they so choose that m/m relationship compromises the central themes of the reverbration of [romantic] interaction, then them ommitting it from their game is a perfectly defensible premise. It isn't my place to make that decision, I personally would O.K, I have nothing against it, and I like some controvery from faux news, makes me lols, but it isn't my decision to make, and it isn't yours either. Its up to the discretion of the creator.
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In other words, sexuality has connection to plot, thus it is solely a artistic decision of Biowares writers.

Modifié par newcomplex, 24 février 2010 - 04:06 .

[ARK of ILKS]

Everyone that stays here is a ****got as far as Im concerned.



READ THE ****ING TITLE MORONS!!!!!!!!

[MajorStranger]

newcomplex wrote...

The point isn't relevant to anything, its taxonomical. I mean, I could argue that Liara is neither male or female because her reproductive functions match up with neither, at all. In which case having sex with another species of either gender would be another gender, because to my knowledge, no other species uses mind-melding as a genetic catalyst to reproduce. In which case she'd be hetereosexual. But femshep romancing her would be homosexual.
]

Are you trying to say Asari are actually Herm?

[newcomplex]

ARK of ILKS wrote...

Everyone that stays here is a ****got as far as Im concerned.

READ THE ****ING TITLE MORONS!!!!!!!!

Man stop spamming, all I've seen you do is spew incoherence this entire thread.   

[Endurance_117]

If Ninja Mage isn't the biggest troll

[ImperialOperative]

ARK of ILKS wrote...

Everyone that stays here is a ****got as far as Im concerned.

READ THE ****ING TITLE MORONS!!!!!!!!

Mistake this poor girl made was that she said she was a "girl" which invalidated her opinion right off the bat.

lulz

[ARK of ILKS]

newcomplex wrote...

ARK of ILKS wrote...

Everyone that stays here is a ****got as far as Im concerned.

READ THE ****ING TITLE MORONS!!!!!!!!

Man stop spamming, all I've seen you do is spew incoherence this entire thread.   

Start from page 1 and say that again.

[Endurance_117]

Ninja Mage wrote...

 But Bioware has been pretty sexist and homophobic regarding this issue for some reason. 

/hats off to you

[ImperialOperative]

MajorStranger wrote...

newcomplex wrote...

The point isn't relevant to anything, its taxonomical. I mean, I could argue that Liara is neither male or female because her reproductive functions match up with neither, at all. In which case having sex with another species of either gender would be another gender, because to my knowledge, no other species uses mind-melding as a genetic catalyst to reproduce. In which case she'd be hetereosexual. But femshep romancing her would be homosexual.
]

Are you trying to say Asari are actually Herm?

No, Asari are actually anomalies of magik.

[newcomplex]

alright ARK

ARK of ILKS wrote...

In my opinio...

BIOWARE has to have a developer that is lebian.

PROOF: no malxmale relationships while ME1 has Liara as an option for FEMsheps. ME2 has kelly as a distraction... also available for FEMsheps.
Theres something fisy going on here.

Please explain to me which dialect of retardation this is in.    I'm afraid I am not fluent in it.   

[Arik7]

I hate to break this to you, but this discussion about Liara is completely irrelevant to the topic. We already know that M/M romance was initially planned for ME1. We have sound files on the disk + a dev confrimed it on the old forum board. There's no higher plot meaning behind that deicison. You personally may be a fan of Liara, but she is a very minor character.

Modifié par Arik7, 24 février 2010 - 04:07 .

[Endurance_117]

Stanley Woo where are you?

[ARK of ILKS]

Get a life complex. Better even... live life.

[tyddrwsau]

FataliTensei wrote...

I would say it's either EA putting pessure on BW or there may have been some pressure from BW higher ups to keep M/M out of the game

So i wouldn't put the blame on the whole of bioware

I'm not sure where the "blame" should fall. Electronic Arts has one of the best inclusive corporate nondiscrimination policies (sexual orientation & gender identity among others), and same-sex partner benefits. They've published game titles with same-sex romantic content before - like the Sims franchise through Maxis, Dragon Age through BioWare. BioWare likewise has had same-sex romance in other titles. The omission must be marketing-driven or a creative lapse on the writing team. Either way, it wouldn't be too hard to fix.

Off-topic for the immediate thrust of this discussion, but as I understand it the Sims was coded such that sims would not independently develop same-sex relationships until the player had either created a same-sex couple in the family editor or else manually initiated three instances of same-sex flirting. Such a mechanism might not be bad inspiration, if the BioWare Mass Effect team fears the fanbase who rabidly fear anything gay. "Oh no, I don't want a dude hitting on my Shepard!" worries you? Trigger it by giving Shepard a chance to agree when another character says some guy is attractive, or something like....

FataliTensei wrote...

This should be put in the FAQ

Kind of you to say, and please feel free to use it in whole or in part!

newcomplex wrote...

Sorry if I offended you, I was being facetious, as a response to that
guy saying Liara was fanservice to over-sexed teens.    
Over-generalizing on purpose.    I agree with everything you said
100%.    Great post.

But my point is that their is plot
relavence to shepherds sexuality.   It is very minor, but that makes it
in the domain of Bioware writers.    Not us.   

(for the previously mentioned sexual tensions between you and Liara, which literally causes liara to revive you for round 2)   

No offense taken. I know that it's hard to infer tone accurately through type - and we've seen first hand that there's plenty of folks who hope to cause offense, no? I see no reason to sour my own mood. <_<

As for sexual tension between Liara and Shepard.... I think most of us who've lived awhile have at one point or another in our lives truly pined for someone who didn't reciprocate. It didn't mean anything less for us - I know for my history it made it more pronounced - if the object of that affection didn't feel the same. Furthermore, it's perfectly plausible for Shepard to reciprocate Liara's feelings in a romantic or deeply spiritual platonic way... but still be attracted to men. The story still flows well if one reads it that way.

Besides, while Liara is a major character... Shepard is the MAIN character. It's our opportunities to interact with WHO he or she is that are our gateway into the world of Mass Effect.

[ImperialOperative]

ARK of ILKS wrote...

Get a life complex. Better even... live life.

Telling people on internet forums to get a life now?

Oh how the lowly have fallen to new depths.

[newcomplex]

Arik7 wrote...

I hate to break this to you, but this discussion about Liara is completely irrelevant to the topic. We already know that M/M romance was initially planned for ME1. We have sound files on the disk + a dev confrimed it on the old forum board. There's no higher lot meaning behind that deicison. You personally may be a fan of Liara, but she is a very minor character.

lol.   Stop posting without reading and higher process thought.   Liara's devotion to you, even if the love is not reciprocated, is the reason why you are still alive.    kk?   That makes Liara's romantic subplot intricately tied with yours.    Unlike other romances, this one literally is the reason why ME2 happens.     The sub-plot is contained within the main plot.     Sexuality related this relationship, and thus, Bioware writers have full right to dictate it even if it steps on toes.     

Second of all, sound files mean ****.    Voice recording is done contractually, and the scripts are drawn up far ahead of time, that cover all possibilities of usage.    All that tells us is that Bioware writers considered it.    Just as they considered Legion being with you during the duration of Freedoms Progress.    

[Ryzaki]

Endurance_117 wrote...

Stanley Woo where are you?

*kicks Endurance in the shin and runs*

You Suck!

HAHAHAHA! 


Also all anti people: You exactly are you against it anyways?  Tis only an additonal option that would have no bearing on your gameplay if you didn't want it to.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 24 février 2010 - 04:13 .

[ImperialOperative]

tyddrwsau wrote...

I'm not sure where the "blame" should fall. Electronic Arts has one of the best inclusive corporate nondiscrimination policies (sexual orientation & gender identity among others), and same-sex partner benefits. They've published game titles with same-sex romantic content before - like the Sims franchise through Maxis, Dragon Age through BioWare. BioWare likewise has had same-sex romance in other titles. The omission must be marketing-driven or a creative lapse on the writing team. Either way, it wouldn't be too hard to fix.

Obviously Army of Two is a story about bears.

[newcomplex]

ARK of ILKS wrote...

Get a life complex. Better even... live life.

ur a joke bro.