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[Habelo]

piemanz wrote...

Habelo wrote...

piemanz wrote...

Habelo wrote...

Sylwia94 wrote...

Habelo wrote...

Men
with men relationships are disgusting, woman and woman relationships
are beautiful. It is the truth. No matter what your opinion is. It is
just in our human nature.

Oh really? For me it's exactly
inversely. I'm not human? Most of girls I know are not humans? Or maybe
girls are not humans in general? Bisexual/gay/tolerant boys are not
humans too, imma right? I really don't like to insult ppls but you are
such and idiot or kind of porvocator. Then I must destroy your delicate
psychics and say it to you: your opinion is not human nature, you can
only speak for yourself not all humans because for example I have other
opinion and I have same rights to express it as you but no one have
rights to speak as whole humanity. Do you understand or I'm supossed to
write it clearer?

It is human nature to be
afraid, to trust in order of the unknown just so that you wont have to
be afraid of being wrong and ignorant.

My friend. I myself is a
crime against humanity, i am the ubermenchen. A beautiful being devoid
of all egocentric thoughts. Just cause some people are born with no
fear doesnt mean that they are not human, but only that it goes against
human nature. And if you are so very speccial(or well maybe you dont
know what you believe, probaly a bigger chance for that but whatever)
that you do not believe in something that the majority of humanity
believes in: then it doesnt mean that you are not human- only that you
go against basic human nature.

My word is truth, hand is justice, my heart is love and all knowing is my mind- habelo

Or maybe we are just highly evolved,and since the is set in the future we can assume the rest of humanity have evolved to a point where gay relationships are acceptable.

mkay 2 things:
1.just cause time goes forward doesnt mean that humanity will.
2. Or maybe there will be a cure for gayness so this wont even be a problem? If hummanity really does go forward then this will probaly be the most likely scenario...

1. Is very pessimistic,c'mion dude have some hope.

2.I doubt femshep would be getting it on with liara if that were the case.

1. Only looking at history. If there has been a winter for many years then it will likely come again next year.

2. you dont have to be gay for f/f sex. for m/m you have.

[Gorn Kregore]

you guys do realize Hamelo is being a successful troll right?

[piemanz]

Gorn Kregore wrote...

you guys do realize Hamelo is being a successful troll right?

He's clutching at straws now so i'm done anyway

Modifié par piemanz, 24 février 2010 - 04:25 .

[FlyinElk212]

Ryzaki wrote...

FlyinElk212 wrote...

Bleeeeeeh. Stupid "Asari not female" excuses.
Hello? Let's put that relationship aside for a second and focus on how there's an UNDENIABLE FEMALE-FEMALE relationship in the game with Kelly and FemShep. There you go, Bioware supports F/F but not M/M. It's bias, no matter how you spin the tale.
At least modding's got our backs.

I find this hilarious though because the M!Shep x Kaidan romance files for the scene in horizon are IN THE GAME. They only activate if you import an M!Shep in a relationship with Kaidan into ME2 but the very fact that BioWare even put them in the game means they had no problem with it.

Which is exactly why I think it was someone above who made them cut it out. Otherwise why place a continuation of a romance that you didn't want in the first game? It makes no sense UNLESS BioWare wanted to put in the first game and wanted it to continue through the second and third.

Also: Thank you for putting the files in BioWare. I hope you guys do so for ME3 even if you don't have a (unmodded) MM option. <3

QFT! I call I'm on this person's team!!!!

If someone higher up in Bioware is REALLY worried about a marketing backlash with their target audience, at LEAST place the audio files for romances in the game, but make them only accessible with modding ala Kaidan. That way you slip past Fox News' Gaydar and still make it a viable option for fans.

And for kicks, I'd love it if you placed Thane's M/M and Jack's F/F back in. Pretty preeze?

[Crazy_Cat_Lady]

i just want moar bewbs!

[Sylwia94]

[quote]Habelo wrote...

[quote]piemanz wrote...

[quote]Habelo wrote...

[quote]piemanz wrote...


[quote]Habelo wrote...

[quote]Sylwia94 wrote...

[quote]Habelo wrote...

Men
with men relationships are disgusting, woman and woman relationships
are beautiful. It is the truth. No matter what your opinion is. It is
just in our human nature.
[/quote]
Oh really? For me it's exactly
inversely. I'm not human? Most of girls I know are not humans? Or maybe
girls are not humans in general? Bisexual/gay/tolerant boys are not
humans too, imma right? I really don't like to insult ppls but you are
such and idiot or kind of porvocator. Then I must destroy your delicate
psychics and say it to you: your opinion is not human nature, you can
only speak for yourself not all humans because for example I have other
opinion and I have same rights to express it as you but no one have
rights to speak as whole humanity. Do you understand or I'm supossed to
write it clearer?

[/quote]

It is human nature to be
afraid, to trust in order of the unknown just so that you wont have to
be afraid of being wrong and ignorant.

My friend. I myself is a
crime against humanity, i am the ubermenchen. A beautiful being devoid
of all egocentric thoughts. Just cause some people are born with no
fear doesnt mean that they are not human, but only that it goes against
human nature. And if you are so very speccial(or well maybe you dont
know what you believe, probaly a bigger chance for that but whatever)
that you do not believe in something that the majority of humanity
believes in: then it doesnt mean that you are not human- only that you
go against basic human nature.

My word is truth, hand is justice, my heart is love and all knowing is my mind- habelo

[/quote]

Or maybe we are just highly evolved,and since the is set in the future we can assume the rest of humanity have evolved to a point where gay relationships are acceptable.

[/quote]

mkay 2 things:
1.just cause time goes forward doesnt mean that humanity will.
2. Or maybe there will be a cure for gayness so this wont even be a problem? If hummanity really does go forward then this will probaly be the most likely scenario...


[/quote]

1. Is very pessimistic,c'mion dude have some hope.

2.I doubt femshep would be getting it on with liara if that were the case.

[/quote]

1. Only looking at history. If there has been a winter for many years then it will likely come again next year.

2. you dont have to be gay for f/f sex. for m/m you have.

[/quote]
You have to be gay(lesbian exactly) or bisexual for f/f and stop compromising yourself with saying for girls f/f is not a problem because it's a problem for most girls, of course i mean girls from real life not from your beautifull world of redtube where all girls are bisexual.

[quote]Gorn Kregore wrote...

you guys do realize Hamelo is being a successful troll right? [/quote]
Yeah, undeniable.

[quote]FlyinElk212 wrote...

[quote]Ryzaki wrote...

[quote]FlyinElk212 wrote...

Bleeeeeeh. Stupid "Asari not female" excuses.
Hello?
Let's put that relationship aside for a second and focus on how there's
an UNDENIABLE FEMALE-FEMALE relationship in the game with Kelly and
FemShep. There you go, Bioware supports F/F but not M/M. It's bias, no
matter how you spin the tale.
At least modding's got our backs. [/quote]

I
find this hilarious though because the M!Shep x Kaidan romance files
for the scene in horizon are IN THE GAME. They only activate if you
import an M!Shep in a relationship with Kaidan into ME2 but the very
fact that BioWare even put them in the game means they had no problem
with it.

Which is exactly why I think it was someone above who
made them cut it out. Otherwise why place a continuation of a romance
that you didn't want in the first game? It makes no sense UNLESS
BioWare wanted to put in the first game and wanted it to continue
through the second and third.

Also: Thank you for putting the files in BioWare. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/grin.png[/smilie] I hope you guys do so for ME3 even if you don't have a (unmodded) MM option. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/heart.png[/smilie]

[/quote]

QFT! I call I'm on this person's team!!!!

If
someone higher up in Bioware is REALLY worried about a marketing
backlash with their target audience, at LEAST place the audio files for
romances in the game, but make them only accessible with modding ala
Kaidan. That way you slip past Fox News' Gaydar and still make it a
viable option for fans.

And for kicks, I'd love it if you placed Thane's M/M and Jack's F/F back in. Pretty preeze?
[/quote]
Maybe I treat it too personally but for me it's still discrimination if we need mods for m/m while for f/f we don't need. But you said "at least" so I can't disagree with you. But I think they still should give us acces without moding to m/m if they don't want be bugged by ppls and don't have to loose their girl and lgbt fans.

@down
No, personally I don't realize it...

Modifié par Sylwia94, 24 février 2010 - 04:39 .

[Endurance_117]

Do you realize OP has a pirated copy of the game right?

[didymos1120]

Ryzaki wrote...

LOL Kaidan's has 35% of the bisexual LI vote.

XD

"Losing you...was like losing a limb." 

That's a little too much bromance Kaidan. :innocent:

"The limb I used to touch myself, Shepard.  Er, I mean, Commander.  You should go."

Modifié par didymos1120, 24 février 2010 - 04:43 .

[FlyinElk212]

Sylwia94 wrote...

Maybe I treat it too personally but for me it's still discrimination if we need mods for m/m while for f/f we don't need. But you said "at least" so I can't disagree with you. But I think they still should give us acces without moding to m/m if they don't want be bugged by ppls and don't have to loose their girl and lgbt fans.

You're right, Sylwia94. I do wish that Bioware would simply place them in the game. The modding route just makes things more difficult for the girl/GLBT fans (not to mention, for Xbox360 users, it  possibly costs more money).

But as long as the girl/GLBT audience remains the minor market of this game (to the straightmale audience), I really don't see Bioware making any moves. That, or somebody higher up just needs a change in perspective.

[didymos1120]

FlyinElk212 wrote...
 That way you slip past Fox News' Gaydar and still make it a viable option for fans.

You know, speaking of Fox News' Gaydar, there've been persistent rumors for years that Shepard Smith is a closet case.  Now, look at that first name: Shepard.  Coincidence?  I think not!

Modifié par didymos1120, 24 février 2010 - 04:51 .

[Haasth]

This is just ridiculous. I go to bed, wake up, and this page gained 20 pages?!

[brgillespie]

"it's still discrimination if we need mods for m/m while for f/f we don't need"



Discrimination? It may be *unfair* that male homosexuality is not represented in the game, but something that can be categorized as "unfair" does not mean it can be labeled as a discriminatory act. There is no obligation for Bioware to include relationships at all. Would it be discrimination against sexuality in general if relationships were entirely removed in the final act of the trilogy?



It's Bioware's story, thus they'll treat the characters however they wish to. Calling the exclusion of homosexuality in a videogame's story "discrimination" is stretching the definition and intent of the word to the point of absurdity.

[Ryzaki]

didymos1120 wrote...

FlyinElk212 wrote...
 That way you slip past Fox News' Gaydar and still make it a viable option for fans.

You know, speaking of Fox News' Gaydar, there've been persistent rumors for years that Shepard Smith is a closet case.  Now, look at that first name: Shepard.  Coincidence?  I think not!

Wait what? 

LOL XD 



No. Its more hypocritical than discrimination. Its okay for F!Shep to be a lesbian but M!Shep being gay is completely out of the question? 

I could buy the "no male Shep has run into is gay/bisexual." but for them to go and say M!Shep himself is strictly heterosexual? 

That...is nonsense. I can be a paragon, renegade or something inbetween, a completely incoherant character with up to 9 backgrounds, borderline psychotic or mister "let's all get along." but somehow M!Shep is utterly incapable of being gay/bisexual? Really? Really?

Not to mention F!Shep and M!Shep are litteraly the same damn person with a different voice and F!Shep somehow can be bisexual and gay without it competely breaking her character.

But if M!Shep was...oh noes! He totally becomes someone different and therefore cannot exist in the ME universe anymore.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 24 février 2010 - 05:00 .

[Ibby1kanobi]

Is the OP dyslexic by chance? weiv instead of view? Lulz.



Anyway, I'll repost for the 10,000th time, no thanks to main character homosexuality in ME1/2/3.

[Possessedkitten]

Just because you have the option to dosent make it copulsory.

I completely support a homosexual romance for mass effect.

[didymos1120]

Ibby1kanobi wrote...

Is the OP dyslexic by chance? weiv instead of view? Lulz.

Anyway, I'll repost for the 10,000th time, no thanks to main character homosexuality in ME1/2/3.

Well, um, it's already there so you're screwed (but not in a gay way if it makes you feel better).

[Habelo]

**** i cant say anything more fun to say atm.

i am all the winner, i am all the best.

Anyway we should have a petition for people against m/m relationships. It would really **** up my shephard for me. and i know alot will agree on this.

and those who say that f/f kisses are not common you srsly need to get out more. when girls are drunk they do alot of stuffz, internets isnt common knowledge. Elite noobish.

edit: epic paradox?

Modifié par Habelo, 24 février 2010 - 05:40 .

[Possessedkitten]

Note the fact that if it were in the game it would be OPTIONAL.

[ImperialOperative]

Possessedkitten wrote...

Note the fact that if it were in the game it would be OPTIONAL.

Optional? What about all that marriage stuff?  You are forcing us to live lives we dont want.

[Pannamaslo]

Technically there is a hidden m/m option - Kaidan. I don't know about Thane, though I heard rumors it's the same case as with Alenko (someone spotted a strange dialog in a French version of a game).

[redboxrazor]

The amount of hatred in this thread is astounding. Apparently, some think that a homosexual male character cannot fit society's definition of a hero, but those of you who have posted that are clearly the ones who believe it - otherwise it likely wouldn't have crossed your mind.



I don't think the issue here is that Mass Effect was a story that didn't happen to introduce any gay characters. Of course, even if there happened to be a gay male on the Normandy, he might not even find your Male Shepard attractive... The issue stems more from the fact that this is a game, not a story. In a book, all of a character's actions are pre-defined, so the argument of whether there are homosexuals or heterosexuals present is pointless.



In a game like Mass Effect, however, in which the developers give the player a choice about whether or not he/she will engage in a relationship, homophobia becomes painfully obvious in the presentation. As a player, Bioware has given me the right to choose to be a straight male, a straight female, or a lesbian female. An entire subset of sexuality has been excluded here.



For those who have made the point that the relationships weren't essential to the tone of the game, I ask you: Why even have them at all, then? Bioware obviously thought it important enough to have the potential for such a relationship. In many ways, it helps you stay immersed, and more attached to the members of your crew, putting into perspective exactly what is at stake. Homosexuals are denied the full scope of this experience.



On the other hand, you don't hear people complaining that Tidus, from Final Fantasy X, can't have a relationship with Wakka instead of Yuna. The story was simply written in such a way that the developers wanted Tidus to be a straight male. No harm done, but no choice was ever given in the matter about who the player wanted Tidus to sexually engage with in the first place.



Is it the open-ended decisions that one can make in Mass Effect, then, that makes this such an issue? Probably. Because of the large number of choices players can make (including not having a relationship at all), which prove to be very relevant to the story, it seems more like Bioware decided to exclude homosexuals entirely, rather than simply not having "written them in" as an essential option for Shepard's character.

[Sporothrix]

Ryzaki wrote...

No. Its more hypocritical than discrimination. Its okay for F!Shep to be a lesbian but M!Shep being gay is completely out of the question? 

I could buy the "no male Shep has run into is gay/bisexual." but for them to go and say M!Shep himself is strictly heterosexual? 

Don't forget ME devs are trying really hard to devalue Liara/FemShep relationship, they didn't included real lesbian romance in ME2 and they are almost forcing you to romance Jacob if you're talking with him as female, but you're right with that - because there's that Kelly fling, they can't say FemShep is straight and nothing else. They added Kelly option propably only to arouse teenage boys, but it has consequences devs cannot deny.

FemShepard doesn't have to be bisexual either, because in ME1 you could tell Liara you're interested only in men. It means FemShep orientation is not predefined, it's up to you if she's gay, straight or bi. So it should be well known ME devs have double standards.

[Possessedkitten]

Im not gay but i feel it is totally unfair that mass effect has a lebian romance but no gay one. Id probably never actually use it but that dosent mean i carnt support it.

[Possessedkitten]

Thank god thats over.

[Possessedkitten]

Thank god thats over.