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[Sylwia94]

Ryzaki wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

FlyinElk212 wrote...
 That way you slip past Fox News' Gaydar and still make it a viable option for fans.

You know, speaking of Fox News' Gaydar, there've been persistent rumors for years that Shepard Smith is a closet case.  Now, look at that first name: Shepard.  Coincidence?  I think not!

Wait what? 

LOL XD 



No. Its more hypocritical than discrimination. Its okay for F!Shep to be a lesbian but M!Shep being gay is completely out of the question? 

I could buy the "no male Shep has run into is gay/bisexual." but for them to go and say M!Shep himself is strictly heterosexual? 

That...is nonsense. I can be a paragon, renegade or something inbetween, a completely incoherant character with up to 9 backgrounds, borderline psychotic or mister "let's all get along." but somehow M!Shep is utterly incapable of being gay/bisexual? Really? Really?

Not to mention F!Shep and M!Shep are litteraly the same damn person with a different voice and F!Shep somehow can be bisexual and gay without it competely breaking her character.

But if M!Shep was...oh noes! He totally becomes someone different and therefore cannot exist in the ME universe anymore.

Exactly

Ibby1kanobi wrote...

Is the OP dyslexic by chance? weiv instead of view? Lulz.

Anyway, I'll repost for the 10,000th time, no thanks to main character homosexuality in ME1/2/3.

I know, I doing some grammar bads but I'm not dyslexic, "wiev" is just a mistake what I've done because I've wrote it at 2am~, so i just was been tired.

Habelo wrote...

**** i cant say anything more fun to say atm.

i am all the winner, i am all the best.

Anyway
we should have a petition for people against m/m relationships. It
would really **** up my shephard for me. and i know alot will agree on
this.

and those who say that f/f kisses are not common you srsly
need to get out more. when girls are drunk they do alot of stuffz,
internets isnt common knowledge. Elite noobish.

edit: epic paradox?

I think i responding to your post for last time cus here you clearly shown you are a troll. But when ppls are drunk they often do things they won't make without it, guys do the same, I've seen it many times.

Modifié par Sylwia94, 24 février 2010 - 07:06 .

[Toxik King]

I really don't want Thane coming on to my guy, he already creeps me out. I wouldn't mind if the option that starts the whole ******-ance is obvious and easily missed.

[FlyinElk212]

Toxik King wrote...

I really don't want Thane coming on to my guy, he already creeps me out. I wouldn't mind if the option that starts the whole ******-ance is obvious and easily missed.

Ya dood. I'm totally with ya. That's something Bioware needs to work harder on for the next game--making conversation options painstakingly obviously romance lead-ins.

That way all the "EWW!! HOMOS ARE GROSS!!11" fans can avoid the situation easily.

[Lusitanum]

Why no homossexual Male Shepard? Simple: because if he wasn't bicurious in ME1, then he's not suddenly going to get ideas on the next games.

Now I know what you're going to say: "then why couldn't we have had that option on the first game?" Well, probably because Bioware was just testing the waters with the ME1. First, they throw us a lesbian option on Mass Effect to see how it goes. A few people notice but there's nothing big in terms of backlash (unlike the infamous sex scene) so in their next game, they give us all the choices and BUM, Dragon Age lets you have all the sexual tendencies that you could ever want with two heterossexual and one homossexual options for each gender (seems awfully convenient that everything is so symetrical, but you can understand why).

Now you can't expect M!Shepard to just start suddenly changing his preferences halfway through the trilogy. It's not that I'm against it as an option (I'd love to see how a relationship with Garrus would work) but it just doesn't make any sense now that we are already so far into the story.

Oh, and also to those who are about to say "Jade Empire also let you have homossexual love interessts" I remind you that those ended up on a simple kiss. A kiss that you couldn't even see due to a fade to black. I don't need to go into detail as to why ME and DA:O are different, do I? <_<

[Possessedkitten]

I agree they should make it obvious so that those that wish to can avoid it.

[Wittand25]

Lusitanum wrote...

Why no homossexual Male Shepard? Simple: because if he wasn't bicurious in ME1, then he's not suddenly going to get ideas on the next games.

Now I know what you're going to say: "then why couldn't we have had that option on the first game?" Well, probably because Bioware was just testing the waters with the ME1. First, they throw us a lesbian option on Mass Effect to see how it goes. A few people notice but there's nothing big in terms of backlash (unlike the infamous sex scene) so in their next game, they give us all the choices and BUM, Dragon Age lets you have all the sexual tendencies that you could ever want with two heterossexual and one homossexual options for each gender (seems awfully convenient that everything is so symetrical, but you can understand why).

Now you can't expect M!Shepard to just start suddenly changing his preferences halfway through the trilogy. It's not that I'm against it as an option (I'd love to see how a relationship with Garrus would work) but it just doesn't make any sense now that we are already so far into the story.

Oh, and also to those who are about to say "Jade Empire also let you have homossexual love interessts" I remind you that those ended up on a simple kiss. A kiss that you couldn't even see due to a fade to black. I don't need to go into detail as to why ME and DA:O are different, do I? <_<

Shepard can complete both ME1 and ME2 without sleeping with a single female, standart Shepard even manages to keep Ashley alive and still not having sex with either her or Liara ( not an easy achievment) so he does not have to be intrested in women at all.

[Ryzaki]

Lusitanum wrote...

Why no homossexual Male Shepard? Simple: because if he wasn't bicurious in ME1, then he's not suddenly going to get ideas on the next games.

Now I know what you're going to say: "then why couldn't we have had that option on the first game?" Well, probably because Bioware was just testing the waters with the ME1. First, they throw us a lesbian option on Mass Effect to see how it goes. A few people notice but there's nothing big in terms of backlash (unlike the infamous sex scene) so in their next game, they give us all the choices and BUM, Dragon Age lets you have all the sexual tendencies that you could ever want with two heterossexual and one homossexual options for each gender (seems awfully convenient that everything is so symetrical, but you can understand why).

Now you can't expect M!Shepard to just start suddenly changing his preferences halfway through the trilogy. It's not that I'm against it as an option (I'd love to see how a relationship with Garrus would work) but it just doesn't make any sense now that we are already so far into the story.

Oh, and also to those who are about to say "Jade Empire also let you have homossexual love interessts" I remind you that those ended up on a simple kiss. A kiss that you couldn't even see due to a fade to black. I don't need to go into detail as to why ME and DA:O are different, do I? <_<

You do realize the implication was that they had sex right?

Please tell me you're not that...um...dense. And honestly I would have rather a fade to black than DA 's cringeworthy sex scene. 

And if you insist that they didn't play an OP character, bind Sun LI and ten choose the obvious "I'll make you love me like you did last night." and see the character's reaction.

(Honestly JE is the only game where I could actually threaten to rape someone. Made me feel like a complete monster. MUWAHAHAHAHA! And killing innocent puppies helped too.

Though yeah the fade to black was probably due to (if you use the mod) the fact that the characters don't mesh well and tend to kiss each others necks instead of actual lips.  Might have been solveable but BioWare apparently didn't have the time.

Edit: I know for sure Sky goes to a male PC "I never forced my will on anyone, you obviously didn't know me and I didn't know you." So sad. Yet soo delicious. :innocent:

Modifié par Ryzaki, 24 février 2010 - 07:18 .

[Lusitanum]

Or he may just not like the options he has. I know I didn't in ME1.



And since when does "no interesst in men AND women" equals homossexuality?

[Toxik King]

FlyinElk212 wrote...

Toxik King wrote...

I really don't want Thane coming on to my guy, he already creeps me out. I wouldn't mind if the option that starts the whole ******-ance is obvious and easily missed.

Ya dood. I'm totally with ya. That's something Bioware needs to work harder on for the next game--making conversation options painstakingly obviously romance lead-ins.

That way all the "EWW!! HOMOS ARE GROSS!!11" fans can avoid the situation easily.

I dunno if this is sarcastic or not
But now that I think of it, I'd like this for every Romance. It's annoying that all Jack says to me is break up with Tali, even though all I ever did was ask about her history (and I can't even tell her to **** off).

[Lusitanum]

Ryzaki wrote...



You do realize the implication was that they had sex right?

Please tell me you're not that...um...dense.

Me? No, but you must be if you actually need me to explain in detail what sets it appart from Mass Effect and Dragon Age.

[Ryzaki]

Lusitanum wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...



You do realize the implication was that they had sex right?

Please tell me you're not that...um...dense.

Me? No, but you must be if you actually need me to explain in detail what sets it appart from Mass Effect and Dragon Age.

Other than the cringeworthy scenes? Nothing.

(Frankly though am I the only one who doesn't like too detailed sex scenes. Mostly because they end up looking like dolls and I can't help but burst out laughing. ) 

Sorry I got a little too defensive.

For the love of god. Shep isn't canonically any sexuality. GTFO with that argument.

Because apparently Shep must be asexual if he didn't romance anyone in the first game right. Totally impossible just to ignore the LIs regardless of sexuality? 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 24 février 2010 - 07:21 .

[Lusitanum]

Ryzaki wrote...

Other than the cringeworthy scenes? Nothing.

(Frankly though am I the only one who doesn't like too detailed sex scenes. Mostly because they end up looking like dolls and I can't help but burst out laughing. ) 

Sorry I got a little too defensive.

Yes, but that's just the thing: show a sex scene and people freak out, and it gets even worse if you add homossexuality to it. Because, you know, the reproductive system should be banned.

And yes, the love scenes in DA:O and ME2 just make me shake my head and think "what the hell are they doing" but then again, maybe that's done on purpose. After all, if it gets too realistic like in ME1, you know what we get on our heads. That's probably why Bioware toned them down, but now it's no longer a beautiful scene between two lovers, it's just two puppets rubbing against each other while still fully-clothed.

[Wittand25]

Lusitanum wrote...

Or he may just not like the options he has. I know I didn't in ME1.

And since when does "no interesst in men AND women" equals homossexuality?

It does not, you were the one claiming that he is straight just because four out of five females want to sleep with him.
I pointed out that Shepard does not have a romantic history, which contradicts a m/m romance at the start
 of ME3 because I am willing to bet that standart Shepard will not have romanced any of the three options in ME2 either.

[Lusitanum]

Wittand25 wrote...

Lusitanum wrote...

Or he may just not like the options he has. I know I didn't in ME1.

And since when does "no interesst in men AND women" equals homossexuality?

It does not, you were the one claiming that he is straight just because four out of five females want to sleep with him.

Hemm... no I wasn't. When did I ever said anything about "female magnet = heterossexual"?

[Blacklash93]

javierabegazo wrote...

Ninja Mage wrote...

I support your viewpoint Miss Sylwia...I'm gay and I don't want to see two girls getting it on, I want man on man action. But Bioware has been pretty sexist and homophobic regarding this issue for some reason. FemShep isn't even ''canon'' supposedly so all the girls playing femshep are just playing for nothing. Anyway, nice thread

/hats off to you

So If I write a short story, and it's about a love story between a man and a woman, and there doesn't happen to be a M/M romance also featured in the novel, I'm a homophobe?

Nobody is calling anyone anything. The difference between your scenario and the one we have here is that, in a novel or movie, the story is linear. You have no choice in whatever happens. In a videogame like Mass Effect 2, you can choose to fall in love with 3 different people for both genders each and none of them cater to this audience. It's nothing more than a case of neglection that they're upset about. And the fact that lesbian-ish relationships and encounters are present in this series, but nothing on the m/m side.

It's an argument that isn't going to go anywhere until the devs break their silence and quit making fake excuses. "We didn't have time..." or "We didn't feel comfortable with it..." or "We didn't think it was worth investing in..." are what we would be hearing if they were honest about it.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 24 février 2010 - 09:50 .

[Possessedkitten]

I agree with Blacklash93.

[Wittand25]

Lusitanum wrote...
Why no homossexual Male Shepard? Simple: because if he wasn't bicurious in ME1, then he's not suddenly going to get ideas on the next games.

Lusitanum wrote...

Hemm... no I wasn't. When did I ever said anything about "female magnet = heterossexual"?

You did claim that Shepard was not bicurious, I pointed out that he could technicly still be totally gay without contradicting anything in ME1 or 2.

[FlyinElk212]

Toxik King wrote...

FlyinElk212 wrote...

Toxik King wrote...

I really don't want Thane coming on to my guy, he already creeps me out. I wouldn't mind if the option that starts the whole ******-ance is obvious and easily missed.

Ya dood. I'm totally with ya. That's something Bioware needs to work harder on for the next game--making conversation options painstakingly obviously romance lead-ins.

That way all the "EWW!! HOMOS ARE GROSS!!11" fans can avoid the situation easily.

I dunno if this is sarcastic or not
But now that I think of it, I'd like this for every Romance. It's annoying that all Jack says to me is break up with Tali, even though all I ever did was ask about her history (and I can't even tell her to **** off).

Haha! No worries, friend, I'm serious about agreeing with you. My vernacular's just a wee bit eccentric.

This is so true though, I HATE how everyone comes onto you, then you deny some and ****** them off, and there's little to no way to figure out how this started in the first place.

WHY CAN'T WEEEEE BE FRIENDS?!

[Endurance_117]

Why should people who didn't even buy the game have a say?

[ElizabethDeLoria]

Pannamaslo wrote...

Technically there is a hidden m/m option - Kaidan. I don't know about Thane, though I heard rumors it's the same case as with Alenko (someone spotted a strange dialog in a French version of a game).

I'm just going to say no to this right now. For my own reasons.

(That's just me being greedy, though!)

[newcomplex]

You know, I've been pretty defensive on behalf of Biowares decisions not to include m/m romances, with a lot a flames, but I'd like to single out the retard who says "maybe we'll cure gayness".

No. Sorry pal. Gayness can't be cured because the way homosexuality develops during early childhood is intrinsic to the way people develop sexuality of any variety. In order to "cure" gayness from society, you would have to remove the fundamental aspects of what it means to be human. Gayness is a deviation that will occur naturally so long as the way we develop sexually the way humans do. Saying that we can "cure" gayness isn't just somewhat homophobic by implying its a disease, its also retarded scientifically. After it develops, sexuality hardwires itself into your brain so deeply that the only way you can cure it later on in life is though destructive therapies that don't change a persons sexuality, instead operating by intentionally gender confusing them.


That being said, seriously, this thread needs to die. Bioware isn't wrong in any way shape or form if they so chose not to implement a m/m romance for any reason except they hate gays. Which is clearly not their reason.

Modifié par newcomplex, 24 février 2010 - 08:13 .

[ElizabethDeLoria]

This thread is a bit of a circlejerk. (Boom-tish!)

[didymos1120]

ElizabethDeLoria wrote...

This thread is a bit of a circlejerk. (Boom-tish!)

Here you go: http://instantrimshot.com/

[danman2424]

newcomplex wrote...

You know, I've been pretty defensive on behalf of Biowares decisions not to include m/m romances, with a lot a flames, but I'd like to single out the retard who says "maybe we'll cure gayness".

No. Sorry pal. Gayness can't be cured because the way homosexuality develops during early childhood is intrinsic to the way people develop sexuality of any variety. In order to "cure" gayness from society, you would have to remove the fundamental aspects of what it means to be human. Gayness is a deviation that will occur naturally so long as the way we develop sexually the way humans do. Saying that we can "cure" gayness isn't just somewhat homophobic by implying its a disease, its also retarded scientifically. After it develops, sexuality hardwires itself into your brain so deeply that the only way you can cure it later on in life is though destructive therapies that don't change a persons sexuality, instead operating by intentionally gender confusing them.


That being said, seriously, this thread needs to die. Bioware isn't wrong in any way shape or form if they so chose not to implement a m/m romance for any reason except they hate gays. Which is clearly not their reason.

Well the desire to have sex with animals or any other number of deviations is also hardwired into your brain during those early years and the attraction for those things comes about without the person making any sort of choice to start having that attraction. That does NOT mean we should legalize them or yell at Bioware because there are no dog lovers on the ship. There just aren't and thus there is no option for that in the game regardless if the player loves dogs.

Also sexual preferences have still been shown to change quite often even well after adolescence under the right conditions. Especially in prisons.

[Nautica773]

I'm sure there's already been a number of people groaning "Not another Gay Shepard thread!"



I find it curious that this subject comes up again and again. And that these threads reach 30+ pages in less than a day.



Just a small observation, carry on.