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Bioware is prejudice against so many things. Why can't I have an asian, indian, australian, Brazilian, mexican etc. love interest. Why can't I have a fat LI, why can't I have a old LI, why can't I have midget LI,

Damn those prejudice monsters. They hate fatties, midgets, most races, and old people /end sarcasm

Stop your whining and get your relationship fix from somewhere else.



Don't you have some budlight to choke on while you watch Pam anderson's greatet  hits and eating a bag of Dorritos? Stupid nerd


You care about the plight of the gays, but not 90% of other races or the old or the fatties. That's not fair. I think a gay person of all people would be able to understand their struggles in the video game community. Or I guess you only care about your own interests.

Also I don't like Pam Anderson(old/hepatitus), Bud Light(water). Doritos are alright.

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Ryzaki wrote...

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Kelly and Morinth are squadmates -_-.

I'm talking about just randomly having sex with a random guy in omega or something, which would be your only option if nobody in your crew was openly gay.   Thats isn't consistent with any of the thematic elements in Mass Effect at all, and their is no chance Bioware would allow either gender to do that. 


Sha'ira begs to differ with you.


As does the Consort from ME1 <_<


Yeah, I know: that's her name.  You're thinking of Shiala, maybe?  She just sorta hits on you a bit.

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Ryzaki wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

newcomplex wrote...
Kelly and Morinth are squadmates -_-.

I'm talking about just randomly having sex with a random guy in omega or something, which would be your only option if nobody in your crew was openly gay.   Thats isn't consistent with any of the thematic elements in Mass Effect at all, and their is no chance Bioware would allow either gender to do that. 


Sha'ira begs to differ with you.


As does the Consort from ME1 <_<




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Karl45 wrote...

You care about the plight of the gays, but not 90% of other races or the old or the fatties. That's not fair. I think a gay person of all people would be able to understand their struggles in the video game community. Or I guess you only care about your own interests.

Also I don't like Pam Anderson(old/hepatitus), Bud Light(water). Doritos are alright.


Karl who really wants to bang a fat chick in video games though. Let's be honest here. :innocent:

You play video games to get away from your wife/girlfriend after all no? :P

And Samara's got you covered on the old bit. :lol: Well you can hit on her anyways. ;)

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Ryzaki wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

newcomplex wrote...
Kelly and Morinth are squadmates -_-.

I'm talking about just randomly having sex with a random guy in omega or something, which would be your only option if nobody in your crew was openly gay.   Thats isn't consistent with any of the thematic elements in Mass Effect at all, and their is no chance Bioware would allow either gender to do that. 


Sha'ira begs to differ with you.


As does the Consort from ME1 <_<


Sha'ira IS the consort, no?

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I'm going to disagree with the OP on one point, I'm a straight female gamer and I DO NOT want to see two guys getting it on at all, it is not cute or attractive to me in the slightest. It is just as squicky to me as girl on girl nastiness.


For some reason I am glad someone brought this up, actually. Basically... I do not see the harm in having homosexual relationships available as long as they do not feel the slightest forced. I would hate to have... lets say Kaidan... try to... flirt with me... the mere thought... Luckily in Dragon Age I wasn't bothered by Zevran at all and he at least seemed to understand that my Warden 'does not swing that way'. 

But yeah... I can't say I find it very interesting to see two girls 'getting it on' for no reason either. 

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Agreed Ryzaki... But unfortunatly this is quite a delicate subject, so I think some mud-slinging is to be expected.


Doesn't make it any less annoying. :pinched:


Haasth wrote...
And I wouldn't want it any other way. :wub:


Of course not you feed off the negative emotions. You evil emotion...vampire...evil thing! :crying:


Now you're just hurting my fragile teenage feelings. :crying:

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YEAH....and what's the deal with no animal romance? I mean there are a lot of people that want to enjoy a perfectly normal love like the love between a man and another man's dog.

/sarcasm

LOL. Signed
yes, we want option to romance BOO or fish at least!!! :lol:



Are you serious? Can you not tell another human being from an animal. You make yourself look bad

#108
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Sha'ira IS the consort, no?


I always forget her name. :pinched: Bah. Now I feel retarded. :crying:

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Now you're just hurting my fragile teenage feelings. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/crying.png[/smilie]


I'm onto you! I know you have no feelings you vampire thing! :bandit:

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Ryzaki wrote...

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You care about the plight of the gays, but not 90% of other races or the old or the fatties. That's not fair. I think a gay person of all people would be able to understand their struggles in the video game community. Or I guess you only care about your own interests.

Also I don't like Pam Anderson(old/hepatitus), Bud Light(water). Doritos are alright.


Karl who really wants to bang a fat chick in video games though. Let's be honest here. :innocent:

You play video games to get away from your wife/girlfriend after all no? :P

And Samara's got you covered on the old bit. :lol: Well you can hit on her anyways. ;)



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Iyn-Han wrote...

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I'm going to disagree with the OP on one point, I'm a straight female gamer and I DO NOT want to see two guys getting it on at all, it is not cute or attractive to me in the slightest. It is just as squicky to me as girl on girl nastiness.

I was able to easily avoid this, however, by not playing a male character and romancing Zevran or playing a female and romancing Leli in Dragon Age. I'm pretty sure if Mass Effect had a male who'd be interested in a male Shep I could just as easily avoid that romance as I avoided Liara's.


I wouldn't want to "see" it either, but I think the choice should be there. Even if you and I (and a whole lot of other players) don't want to check it out, some other people would certainly like it.


Re-read my post. I was saying that I didn't have a problem with it as it is EASILY AVOIDABLE if you don't want to see it. *sigh*

Can't even support in these damn threads without people jumping to conclusions and NOT actually reading or comprehending.

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Why does no one think of the waffles?

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SarEnyaDor wrote...
Re-read my post. I was saying that I didn't have a problem with it as it is EASILY AVOIDABLE if you don't want to see it. *sigh*

Can't even support in these damn threads without people jumping to conclusions and NOT actually reading or comprehending.

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*huggles* I feel your pain. Want a Alistair piccy? :bandit:

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SarEnyaDor wrote...

Iyn-Han wrote...

SarEnyaDor wrote...

I'm going to disagree with the OP on one point, I'm a straight female gamer and I DO NOT want to see two guys getting it on at all, it is not cute or attractive to me in the slightest. It is just as squicky to me as girl on girl nastiness.

I was able to easily avoid this, however, by not playing a male character and romancing Zevran or playing a female and romancing Leli in Dragon Age. I'm pretty sure if Mass Effect had a male who'd be interested in a male Shep I could just as easily avoid that romance as I avoided Liara's.


I wouldn't want to "see" it either, but I think the choice should be there. Even if you and I (and a whole lot of other players) don't want to check it out, some other people would certainly like it.


Re-read my post. I was saying that I didn't have a problem with it as it is EASILY AVOIDABLE if you don't want to see it. *sigh*

Can't even support in these damn threads without people jumping to conclusions and NOT actually reading or comprehending.

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You are not supporting us. Foolish woman, go back to your house!

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SarEnyaDor wrote...

Iyn-Han wrote...

SarEnyaDor wrote...

I'm going to disagree with the OP on one point, I'm a straight female gamer and I DO NOT want to see two guys getting it on at all, it is not cute or attractive to me in the slightest. It is just as squicky to me as girl on girl nastiness.

I was able to easily avoid this, however, by not playing a male character and romancing Zevran or playing a female and romancing Leli in Dragon Age. I'm pretty sure if Mass Effect had a male who'd be interested in a male Shep I could just as easily avoid that romance as I avoided Liara's.


I wouldn't want to "see" it either, but I think the choice should be there. Even if you and I (and a whole lot of other players) don't want to check it out, some other people would certainly like it.





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Re-read my post. I was saying that I didn't have a problem with it as it is EASILY AVOIDABLE if you don't want to see it. *sigh*

Can't even support in these damn threads without people jumping to conclusions and NOT actually reading or comprehending.

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#115
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Ninja Mage wrote...

SarEnyaDor wrote...

Iyn-Han wrote...

SarEnyaDor wrote...

I'm going to disagree with the OP on one point, I'm a straight female gamer and I DO NOT want to see two guys getting it on at all, it is not cute or attractive to me in the slightest. It is just as squicky to me as girl on girl nastiness.

I was able to easily avoid this, however, by not playing a male character and romancing Zevran or playing a female and romancing Leli in Dragon Age. I'm pretty sure if Mass Effect had a male who'd be interested in a male Shep I could just as easily avoid that romance as I avoided Liara's.


I wouldn't want to "see" it either, but I think the choice should be there. Even if you and I (and a whole lot of other players) don't want to check it out, some other people would certainly like it.


Re-read my post. I was saying that I didn't have a problem with it as it is EASILY AVOIDABLE if you don't want to see it. *sigh*

Can't even support in these damn threads without people jumping to conclusions and NOT actually reading or comprehending.

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You are not supporting us. Foolish woman, go back to your house!


Now! Now! You are quick to cast aside potential supporters, are you not? 

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For some reason I am glad someone brought this up, actually. Basically... I do not see the harm in having homosexual relationships available as long as they do not feel the slightest forced. I would hate to have... lets say Kaidan... try to... flirt with me... the mere thought...

What almost was.  :D

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Do yoou people even remember what we were talking about... I dont.

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I think these debates would just END if BioWare's ME team just went one way or the other without being so damn wishy washy. "We want to place lesbians in the game without actually admitting their lesbians." and "we want you to have your own Shepard but at the same time claim he's predetermined." and the like.

Seriously BioWare I'd have more respect for you guys if you just went "We have lesbians in the game and not gay men because it 1. Makes us uncomfortable. 2. We don't want gay men in the game. 3. We don't want to risk alienating our fanbase. or 4. It just isn't profitable enough."

And not this: "predetermined." BS when the fact is ME is a lot less linear than bloody Jade Empire. >_>

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You are not supporting us. Foolish woman, go back to your house!


...That was a fail attempt at Sarcasm Ninja. Fail. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/lol.png[/smilie]

That had better been sarcasm. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/angry.png[/smilie]

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Creature 1 wrote...

Haasth wrote...
For some reason I am glad someone brought this up, actually. Basically... I do not see the harm in having homosexual relationships available as long as they do not feel the slightest forced. I would hate to have... lets say Kaidan... try to... flirt with me... the mere thought...

What almost was.  :D


That's it. The phoenix armor I could live with... Now I just... Killing him off in the save game editor it is! 
The only thing worse would be if someone modded in Male Shepard in the Jacob romance scene... :mellow:

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Karl45 wrote...

You care about the plight of the gays, but not 90% of other races or the old or the fatties. That's not fair. I think a gay person of all people would be able to understand their struggles in the video game community. Or I guess you only care about your own interests.

Also I don't like Pam Anderson(old/hepatitus), Bud Light(water). Doritos are alright.


Again, I don't think it's the same thing in THIS case. They added romance between females, but not between males. It's like they only made 50% of the job. So what's being asked here it's just that they make the other 50%, or at least that's how I understand it.

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Ryzaki wrote...

I think these debates would just END if BioWare's ME team just went one way or the other without being so damn wishy washy. "We want to place lesbians in the game without actually admitting their lesbians." and "we want you to have your own Shepard but at the same time claim he's predetermined." and the like.

Seriously BioWare I'd have more respect for you guys if you just went "We have lesbians in the game and not gay men because it 1. Makes us uncomfortable. 2. We don't want gay men in the game. 3. We don't want to risk alienating our fanbase. or 4. It just isn't profitable enough."

And not this: "predetermined." BS when the fact is ME is a lot less linear than bloody Jade Empire. >_>




There is not a single gay male in ME1 or 2. Why would there be one in ME3... unless.

ME3 twist: Kaiden comes out of the closet.Image IPB

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These threads always move quickly. XD

And yeah to the above poster     Iya you're pretty much on the ball.

Ryzaki wrote...

There is not a single gay male in ME1 or 2. Why would there be one in ME3... unless.

ME3 twist: Kaiden comes out of the closet.../../../images/forum/emoticons/unsure.png


Its about time. :lol: He's been in that transparent closet for so long Shep thought he was gonna rot.

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Ryzaki wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...

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But for the love of god don't place lesbians in the novel and then say "its a blue skinned chick from space! She doesn't count!!!" <_< And we'll be cool.

But in all honesty, she doesn't count. It's a matter of bioligcal and specie differences. It becomes apparent when you think about why they resemble females, and whether or not you could have the same thing in an "all male" race.

She  gives birth. Is referred to as female in the CODEX (which is CANON) is referred to as being similar to the female gender by everyone in the GAME and hell even herself says the suit a FEMALE role! :pinched:
Lays eggs. :blink: Way of base with that I was.

Yes, her biological behavior mimics females. There's a reason why that makes sense, and why you couldn't a male species like that. I'll get more into it a little later. I'm leaving work just now. Feel free to prod me about it to make sure I get to it.

IF she's not female One that means M!Shep isn't heterosexual anymore though? So he can have sex with a non gendered alien but not a human/alien male? Really? :lol:

Well the first thing you need to do is establish what she is. She is an alien species without sex. They reproduce through asexual gene manipulation via interaction with other species. With this in context there are five types of sexualities that can be readily identified in the ME universe. Same species  same sex. Same species opposite sex. Differing species "same" sex. Differing species "opposite" sex. And last, asexual of some kind.

The attraction between Shepard and Liara is entirely emotional, and reproductively serves only to benefit the A'sari species. It is a completely internal reproduction that Shepard only facilitates.

Justification for this comes in the mental analysis of the potential for a similar species that is all male. There are a number of problems with such a concept. First, such a species would need to somehow impregnate the females of the other species. For some species this simply will not work the same way as with other species. This means that our all-male species would have to hijack the reproductive system of the other species so as to input it's genetic material. This more of a parasitic type of relationship now. Then, on top of this, it would be very easy for the resulting pregnancy to be fatal to the mother. If such a species were to exist it would become the enemy of all other sentient species in short order.

But for the "female" A'sari it's much simpler. Make internal copies of genetic codes, reproduce asexually. Since it is fully internalized, they have the necessity of the female form and a birth canal.

On top of this there is suggestive material in ME2 that implies they only appear human through the use of psionics of some kind and that all species perceive them as being similar in appearance.

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ARK of ILKS wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

I think these debates would just END if BioWare's ME team just went one way or the other without being so damn wishy washy. "We want to place lesbians in the game without actually admitting their lesbians." and "we want you to have your own Shepard but at the same time claim he's predetermined." and the like.

Seriously BioWare I'd have more respect for you guys if you just went "We have lesbians in the game and not gay men because it 1. Makes us uncomfortable. 2. We don't want gay men in the game. 3. We don't want to risk alienating our fanbase. or 4. It just isn't profitable enough."

And not this: "predetermined." BS when the fact is ME is a lot less linear than bloody Jade Empire. >_>




There is not a single gay male in ME1 or 2. Why would there be one in ME3... unless.

ME3 twist: Kaiden comes out of the closet.Image IPB

So ME1 and ME2 were not realistic with the total lack of male homosexuality and a plenty of female homosexuality in the ME Universe, isn't it time to rectify that?  

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SarEnyaDor wrote...

Iyn-Han wrote...

SarEnyaDor wrote...

I'm going to disagree with the OP on one point, I'm a straight female gamer and I DO NOT want to see two guys getting it on at all, it is not cute or attractive to me in the slightest. It is just as squicky to me as girl on girl nastiness.

I was able to easily avoid this, however, by not playing a male character and romancing Zevran or playing a female and romancing Leli in Dragon Age. I'm pretty sure if Mass Effect had a male who'd be interested in a male Shep I could just as easily avoid that romance as I avoided Liara's.


I wouldn't want to "see" it either, but I think the choice should be there. Even if you and I (and a whole lot of other players) don't want to check it out, some other people would certainly like it.


Re-read my post. I was saying that I didn't have a problem with it as it is EASILY AVOIDABLE if you don't want to see it. *sigh*

Can't even support in these damn threads without people jumping to conclusions and NOT actually reading or comprehending.

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I don't really understand what you were trying to say, then. No offense ment, sorry. Please, keep supporting.