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[BellaStrega]

Flash_in_the_flesh wrote...

Also I have the feeling that lesbians are less taboo subject then gays and meet far less hostility.

No, this isn't true. Millions of guys ****** to two girls kissing does not equate to acceptability.

Modifié par BellaStrega, 24 février 2010 - 12:55 .

[Ninja Mage]

I was just joking, I welcome all opinions on a gay shepard. I just don't want it to turn ugly again

[ARK of ILKS]

BellaStrega wrote...

Flash_in_the_flesh wrote...

Also I have the feeling that lesbians are less taboo subject then gays and meet far less hostility.

No, this isn't true. Millions of guys ****** to two girls kissing does not equate to acceptability.

Says you.

[Ryzaki]

the_one_54321 wrote...
Well the first thing you need to do is establish what she is. She is an alien species without sex. They reproduce through asexual gene manipulation via interaction with other species. With this in context there are five types of sexualities that can be readily identified in the ME universe. Same species  same sex. Same species opposite sex. Differing species "same" sex. Differing species "opposite" sex. And last, asexual of some kind.

The attraction between Shepard and Liara is entirely emotional, and reproductively serves only to benefit the A'sari species. It is a completely internal reproduction that Shepard only facilitates.

Justification for this comes in the mental analysis of the potential for a similar species that is all male. There are a number of problems with such a concept. First, such a species would need to somehow impregnate the females of the other species. For some species this simply will not work the same way as with other species. This means that our all-male species would have to hijack the reproductive system of the other species so as to input it's genetic material. This more of a parasitic type of relationship now. Then, on top of this, it would be very easy for the resulting pregnancy to be fatal to the mother. If such a species were to exist it would become the enemy of all other sentient species in short order.

But for the "female" A'sari it's much simpler. Make internal copies of genetic codes, reproduce asexually. Since it is fully internalized, they have the necessity of the female form and a birth canal.

On top of this there is suggestive material in ME2 that implies they only appear human through the use of psionics of some kind and that all species perceive them as being similar in appearance.

^That was proven untrue. They have weird phermones that make each species attracted would be more accurate. They are as you see.

But yeah Female Asari's it is. Or M!Shep has a weird fetish for nongendered aliens.

...If she's not femle I wonder how they-

...does she have...oh god my mind just went somewhere horribe.

Tentacles...oh god.

I knew I shouldn't have watched that bloody hentai. I'm emotionally scarred now.

...M!Shep isn't straight if he slept with that Liara...no way in hell.

Or maybe he enjoyed the tentacles...going...places...

Modifié par Ryzaki, 24 février 2010 - 01:00 .

[SarEnyaDor]

Ninja Mage wrote...

You are not supporting us. Foolish woman, go back to your house!

  *takes ball and goes home*

[techpriest1]

Ninja Mage wrote...

techpriest1 wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

YEAH....and what's the deal with no animal romance? I mean there are a lot of people that want to enjoy a perfectly normal love like the love between a man and another man's dog.

/sarcasm

LOL. Signed
yes, we want option to romance BOO or fish at least!!!

Are you serious? Can you not tell another human being from an animal. You make yourself look bad

"Yes, im bad, but i feel good "© Army of Darkness movie.
just kiddin. Also so tired seeng bunch of  "gay\\alien\\copro\\terminator\\animal\\etc romance request" whinning topics everyday.
ps: you all always send petition after watching movie or finishing book? Hey Cameron! Why "Avatar' lack of any gay romance subplot? We command you to bring it to Avatar2! lol

[ARK of ILKS]

Ryzaki wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...
Well the first thing you need to do is establish what she is. She is an alien species without sex. They reproduce through asexual gene manipulation via interaction with other species. With this in context there are five types of sexualities that can be readily identified in the ME universe. Same species  same sex. Same species opposite sex. Differing species "same" sex. Differing species "opposite" sex. And last, asexual of some kind.

The attraction between Shepard and Liara is entirely emotional, and reproductively serves only to benefit the A'sari species. It is a completely internal reproduction that Shepard only facilitates.

Justification for this comes in the mental analysis of the potential for a similar species that is all male. There are a number of problems with such a concept. First, such a species would need to somehow impregnate the females of the other species. For some species this simply will not work the same way as with other species. This means that our all-male species would have to hijack the reproductive system of the other species so as to input it's genetic material. This more of a parasitic type of relationship now. Then, on top of this, it would be very easy for the resulting pregnancy to be fatal to the mother. If such a species were to exist it would become the enemy of all other sentient species in short order.

But for the "female" A'sari it's much simpler. Make internal copies of genetic codes, reproduce asexually. Since it is fully internalized, they have the necessity of the female form and a birth canal.

On top of this there is suggestive material in ME2 that implies they only appear human through the use of psionics of some kind and that all species perceive them as being similar in appearance.

^That was proven untrue. They have weird phermones that make each species attracted would be more accurate. They are as you see.

But yeah Female Asari's it is. Or M!Shep has a weird fetish for nongendered aliens.

...If she's not femle I wonder how they-

...does she have...oh god my mind just went somewhere horribe.

Ho... ly.... cow..........aweasome.

[BellaStrega]

newcomplex wrote...

Arik7 wrote...
It wouldn't be completely fair, but anything is better than complete and utter exclusion.  At least ladies got to discuss lesbian movies and flirt with Morinth and Kelly, and they get to continue their romance with Liara....

Kelly and Morinth are squadmates .

I'm talking about just randomly having sex with a random guy in omega or something, which would be your only option if nobody in your crew was openly gay.   Thats isn't consistent with any of the thematic elements in Mass Effect at all, and their is no chance Bioware would allow either gender to do that.   ME is a space opera with romantic elements, not a japanese romance simulator.   

That's a good reason to remove all romances.

[Iyn-Han]

Ryzaki wrote...

^That was proven untrue. They have weird phermones that make each species attracted would be more accurate. They are as you see.

But yeah Female Asari's it is. Or M!Shep has a weird fetish for nongendered aliens.

...If she's not femle I wonder how they-

...does she have...oh god my mind just went somewhere horribe.

Tentacles...oh god.

I knew I shouldn't have watched that bloody hentai. I'm emotionally scarred now.

Aren't we all?

[ARK of ILKS]

BellaStrega wrote...

newcomplex wrote...

Arik7 wrote...
It wouldn't be completely fair, but anything is better than complete and utter exclusion.  At least ladies got to discuss lesbian movies and flirt with Morinth and Kelly, and they get to continue their romance with Liara....

Kelly and Morinth are squadmates .

I'm talking about just randomly having sex with a random guy in omega or something, which would be your only option if nobody in your crew was openly gay.   Thats isn't consistent with any of the thematic elements in Mass Effect at all, and their is no chance Bioware would allow either gender to do that.   ME is a space opera with romantic elements, not a japanese romance simulator.   

That's a good reason to remove all romances.

No it isnt, get your act together.

[the_one_54321]

Ryzaki wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...
Well the first thing you need to do is establish what she is. She is an alien species without sex. They reproduce through asexual gene manipulation via interaction with other species. With this in context there are five types of sexualities that can be readily identified in the ME universe. Same species  same sex. Same species opposite sex. Differing species "same" sex. Differing species "opposite" sex. And last, asexual of some kind.

The attraction between Shepard and Liara is entirely emotional, and reproductively serves only to benefit the A'sari species. It is a completely internal reproduction that Shepard only facilitates.

Justification for this comes in the mental analysis of the potential for a similar species that is all male. There are a number of problems with such a concept. First, such a species would need to somehow impregnate the females of the other species. For some species this simply will not work the same way as with other species. This means that our all-male species would have to hijack the reproductive system of the other species so as to input it's genetic material. This more of a parasitic type of relationship now. Then, on top of this, it would be very easy for the resulting pregnancy to be fatal to the mother. If such a species were to exist it would become the enemy of all other sentient species in short order.

But for the "female" A'sari it's much simpler. Make internal copies of genetic codes, reproduce asexually. Since it is fully internalized, they have the necessity of the female form and a birth canal.

On top of this there is suggestive material in ME2 that implies they only appear human through the use of psionics of some kind and that all species perceive them as being similar in appearance.

^That was proven untrue. They have weird phermones that make each species attracted would be more accurate. They are as you see.
But yeah Female Asari's it is. Or M!Shep has a weird fetish for nongendered aliens.
...If she's not femle I wonder how they-
...does she have...oh god my mind just went somewhere horribe.
Tentacles...oh god.
I knew I shouldn't have watched that bloody hentai. I'm emotionally scarred now.
...M!Shep isn't straight if he slept with that Liara...no way in hell.
Or maybe he enjoyed the tentacles...going...places...

They have an "act" so to speak. If I remember correctly. But the mechanism is fully internal. They create copies of the genes of their partners and use those copies for mitosis.

[addiction21]

BellaStrega wrote...

newcomplex wrote...

Arik7 wrote...
It wouldn't be completely fair, but anything is better than complete and utter exclusion.  At least ladies got to discuss lesbian movies and flirt with Morinth and Kelly, and they get to continue their romance with Liara....

Kelly and Morinth are squadmates .

I'm talking about just randomly having sex with a random guy in omega or something, which would be your only option if nobody in your crew was openly gay.   Thats isn't consistent with any of the thematic elements in Mass Effect at all, and their is no chance Bioware would allow either gender to do that.   ME is a space opera with romantic elements, not a japanese romance simulator.   

That's a good reason to remove all romances.

No it is not a good reason. Please insert 50 cents and try again.

[Iyn-Han]

BellaStrega wrote...

That's a good reason to remove all romances.

You can just ignore them, right?

[Karl45]

@IYN Han

Not saying there shouldn't be gay relationships. I could care less, I'm just sick of hearing the whining about how gays are being discriminated against. There's tons of people out there who don't have a romance option that they find attractive or want to pursue, gays just happen to be a part of that group(yes, a sizeable part). Everyone will have to live with it.

Just, because it's not present or acknowledge in the game, doesn't mean that Bioware has some kind of vendetta against gays. I understand the dissappointment, I just don't like that some of them act as if they are being persecuted over a game.

Gays who just want to voice your dissappointment or wishes for relationships, go ahead. Just don't play the victim role.

Modifié par Karl45, 24 février 2010 - 01:07 .

[ARK of ILKS]

Iyn-Han wrote...

BellaStrega wrote...

That's a good reason to remove all romances.

You can just ignore them, right?

Theyr like the Omega plague.... THEYR EVERYWHERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[BellaStrega]

Haasth wrote...

I wouldn't say that those statements are homophobic that quickly... it is likely just so it wont harm their profits... Fact is, homosexuals are a minority and there are still a lot of people who dislike the thought of having that in their games. Or at least, I would imagine so... but like I said, I couldn't care less myself and I find it a little silly of BioWare to record them, then take them out. 

"A lot of people who dislike the thought of having [same sex relationships] in their games" are homophobic. Pandering to their views at the expense of lesbian, gay, and bisexual players is pandering to homophobia.

[Aurellia]

I suspect the main reason for the removal of the same sex content was schedule. There are a number of other things about this game that feel like they barely got it out the door including

- fact that any hope of decent planet exploration is coming in DLC
- various emails that say things like "Hey it's good to hear you're alive, come visit me at the med clinic when you are next at the citadel"
- buggy cover controls

So I don't think there is any grand EA and/or Bioware conspiracy against same sex couples.

What I do find troubling and potentially homophobic are some of the remarks and actions by bioware employees on this subject. I do not mean this as an attack. I know they are well intentioned people who are trying to do a difficult job of managing these forums as best as possible. However I think these are points of insensitivity towards the GLBT community.

These include:

- Not taking a supportive position towards the GLBT community. IE reply to these threads/questions with something like "we hear your concerns and for various reasons we did not include them in ME2. We will consider this for ME3." Instead we get responses like:
- Claiming that there is no same sex romance in ME1 or ME2 when there is several (admittedly of poor quality) examples of female same-sex romance.
- Claiming Liara is not same-sex through a lame canard of her race is unisex
- Stanley Woo silencing threads on this topic and giving all participates a time out. There was nasty homophobia going on in those threads and rather than suspend/ban the homophobes and those who took the bait and flamed back he chose to silence the discussion which is very troubling. This is sending the message that those of us who are GLBT (I'm lesbian BTW) don't have a voice in this community.

This behavior makes me sad because as a lesbian gamer I found past Bioware games a refreshing haven from the usual male/hetero centric attitudes that I just learn to live with in most games.

I still love Bioware and their games I just feel like they have lost some of their progressiveness in this last release.

I don't know what happened with Mass Effect 2. Dragon Age has done a much better job in this respect.

Modifié par bioware-sucks, 24 février 2010 - 01:08 .

[Ryzaki]

the_one_54321 wrote...
They have an "act" so to speak. If I remember correctly. But the mechanism is fully internal. They create copies of the genes of their partners and use those copies for mitosis.

I hate you.

You made my mind go into dark places.

I'm not your friend any more!!!

But yeah...M!Shep's not heterosexual anymore then is he. Digging non-gendered blue aliens.

Guys BioWare is becoming part of the corporate machine. Just give it a few more years mark my words and they'll be just as politically correct as American developers.

I.E. boobs, blood, skanky wome, discount lesbians A-OKAY! Gays having an actual healthy relationship? and nudity! Oh Noes! 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 24 février 2010 - 01:10 .

[ARK of ILKS]

Ryzaki wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...
They have an "act" so to speak. If I remember correctly. But the mechanism is fully internal. They create copies of the genes of their partners and use those copies for mitosis.

I hate you.

You made my mind go into dark places.

I'm not your friend any more!!!

But yeah...M!Shep's not heterosexual anymore then is he. Digging non-gendered blue aliens.

Its not a dark place. Didnt your parents tell you the "birds" discussion. I wonder how the discussion is for Asari. Any thoughts?

[Ryzaki]

ARK of ILKS wrote...

Its not a dark place. Didnt your parents tell you the "birds" discussion. I wonder how the discussion is for Asari. Any thoughts?

You obviously haven't watched enough Japanese hentai.
Not a dark place my ass.

[Iyn-Han]

Karl45 wrote...

@IYN Han

Not saying there shouldn't be gay relationships. I could care less, I'm just sick of hearing the whining about how gays are being discriminated against. There's tons of people out there who don't have a romance option that they find attractive or want to pursue, gays just happen to be a part of that group(yes, a sizeable part). Everyone will have to live with it.

Just, because it's not present or acknowledge in the game, doesn't mean that Bioware has some kind of vendetta against gays. I understand the dissappointment, I just don't like that some of them act as if they are being persecuted over a game.

Gays who just want to voice your dissappointment or wishes for relationships, go ahead. Just don't play the victim role.

I also don't think it's vendetta. And I also don't think Bioware has the obligation to add think kind of content just because people ask. But still, I think they should.

I agree with you on the rest. Playing the victim role mostly annoyes people instead of drawing their attention.

[BellaStrega]

ARK of ILKS wrote...

BellaStrega wrote...

Flash_in_the_flesh wrote...

Also I have the feeling that lesbians are less taboo subject then gays and meet far less hostility.

No, this isn't true. Millions of guys ****** to two girls kissing does not equate to acceptability.

Says you.

Acceptance is more than a bunch of boys thinking that lesbians exist for their benefit.

But nice job just confirming what I said.

[ARK of ILKS]

Ryzaki wrote...

ARK of ILKS wrote...

Its not a dark place. Didnt your parents tell you the "birds" discussion. I wonder how the discussion is for Asari. Any thoughts?

You obviously haven't watched enough Japanese hentai.
Not a dark place my ass.

Trust me, I know hentai, and that "dark place" is hot as hell.

[BellaStrega]

ARK of ILKS wrote...

No it isnt, get your act together.

On the contrary, there's no reason to have any romances at all. Any rational reason (as in, not based on prejudice)  to exclude same-sex relationships applies to heterosexual relationships. If the game is a space opera that doesn't need same-sex relationships, it doesn't need heterosexual relationships. I'm sorry if you don't like hearing that, but I'm just telling you the truth.

[ARK of ILKS]

ARK of ILKS wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

ARK of ILKS wrote...

Its not a dark place. Didnt your parents tell you the "birds" discussion. I wonder how the discussion is for Asari. Any thoughts?

You obviously haven't watched enough Japanese hentai.
Not a dark place my ass.

Trust me, I know hentai, and that "dark place" is hot as hell.

Im into everything.

I just quoted myself.... funny