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[maxernst]

I was rather taken aback when my soft, meek Alistair suddenly took it on himself to address the troops before our final battle.  Where was this guy hiding during the Landsmeet?  I might have made him King, if I'd seen him around. 

It seemed odd that, after having renounced his throne and being reduced tomy sidekick, he was the guy making speeches to the troops rather than me.

[bzombo]

you're not voiced. it would be a really lame cinematic if you were clicking on lines while the mute pc just moved his mouth or did nothing.

[BeautyoftheBeast]

^ That actually would be pretty epic.

PC: *silently mimes out going to war*
Some random character: Is he pretending to make a sandwich?

Some war speech.

Modifié par BeautyoftheBeast, 24 février 2010 - 12:03 .

[Curlain]

It always reminds me of the speech the President gives in Independence Day :-)

[nos_astra]

If you didn't make him king you should hear Anora giving the speech - and you don't want to hear that.



Alistair is buggy after the landsmeet. There are no dialogue flags for the fact that he isn't king that's why he always pretends he is. You can fix this with a mod like Dialogue Tweaks.

[WhoKnew]

Yes, that confused me also. Especially if you talk to him concerning Morrigan's Dark Ritual he'll say

"...this is what I get for becoming King." Unless it's only me getting that...or Alistair is a bit buggy after all.

[ENCHANTMENTSSS]

It would be nice in the future if Bioware had a final battle speech for your PC. Since you get to pick your voice whether sultry, intelligent, what have you. It would even be a plus if you can pick lines along your speech but of course this would take a lot of disc space and I'd be afraid on missin out on wicked graphics if this was the case.



My speech would follow along the lines of:

"Some of you may lose a vital limb or have an eye poked out by an arrow. You may hav a darkspawn eating out your intestines whilst you watch. If you're lucky you may make it as far as the Archdemon only to get severed in half by its claw, wing, teeth, and or tail but hey it's better than being a stinking Orlaisian."

[ENCHANTMENTSSS]

klarabella wrote...

If you didn't make him king you should hear Anora giving the speech - and you don't want to hear that.

Alistair is buggy after the landsmeet. There are no dialogue flags for the fact that he isn't king that's why he always pretends he is. You can fix this with a mod like Dialogue Tweaks.

Mmmmmm pretty avatar

[Seymour_North]

WhoKnew wrote...

Yes, that confused me also. Especially if you talk to him concerning Morrigan's Dark Ritual he'll say
"...this is what I get for becoming King." Unless it's only me getting that...or Alistair is a bit buggy after all.

Nope, he's buggy.

What's worse than that, though, is when you turn down the ritual and take Alistair with you into the final battle. At the very end, when the Archdemon is beaten down and all that's left is for one of the Wardens to finish it off and die...and you and Alistair are arguing over which of you that will be...then he tries to one-up you by saying it's more his duty than yours because he's the king.
 
Not in MY game, he wasn't!! So there I was, totally absorbed in taking my character through a conversation on which her life (and, more importantly, her lover's) literally depended, only to be knocked completely out of the story by such a ridiculous discontinuity.   It totally broke my concentration, and I couldn't bring myself to play along and give the one possible answer that might have made him change his mind (i.e., that he'd serve "his people" better by surviving than by dying here). And consequently, even though my character had been very determined to take the fall herself, I lost that argument and off Alistair went to his death.

(OK, so I'm not 100% sure that final showdown is winnable at all, at least vs. unhardened Alistair. But I'd feel better about it--less like I'd failed my character--if it had been a fair fight!)

[Reaverwind]

Seymour_North wrote...

WhoKnew wrote...

Yes, that confused me also. Especially if you talk to him concerning Morrigan's Dark Ritual he'll say
"...this is what I get for becoming King." Unless it's only me getting that...or Alistair is a bit buggy after all.

Nope, he's buggy.

What's worse than that, though, is when you turn down the ritual and take Alistair with you into the final battle. At the very end, when the Archdemon is beaten down and all that's left is for one of the Wardens to finish it off and die...and you and Alistair are arguing over which of you that will be...then he tries to one-up you by saying it's more his duty than yours because he's the king.
 
Not in MY game, he wasn't!! So there I was, totally absorbed in taking my character through a conversation on which her life (and, more importantly, her lover's) literally depended, only to be knocked completely out of the story by such a ridiculous discontinuity.   It totally broke my concentration, and I couldn't bring myself to play along and give the one possible answer that might have made him change his mind (i.e., that he'd serve "his people" better by surviving than by dying here). And consequently, even though my character had been very determined to take the fall herself, I lost that argument and off Alistair went to his death.

(OK, so I'm not 100% sure that final showdown is winnable at all, at least vs. unhardened Alistair. But I'd feel better about it--less like I'd failed my character--if it had been a fair fight!)

It's not winnable - it doesn't matter what dialogue option you take, which makes sense for the type of character he is. I only wish there was an option to club him over the head so you can do the deed yourself. How about it, modders?

Modifié par Reaverwind, 24 février 2010 - 04:57 .

[e-ver]

I found it hilarious. My first character wanted to take the final blow herself (no romance with Alistair), but when he started babbling about his duty as king my character thought: "Ok, he has obviously gone crazy. I'm not giving my life to safe his, if he ends up in an insane asylum anyway. So, Alistair, be my guest..."

Zevran was quite happy about the outcome or so I hear.

[Gilsa]

I like that he brought his A-game when it came to inspiring the troops. Really showed his dedication to being a Grey Warden. Landsmeet was just awkward, but no one really wanted to be there in the first place.

[Xandurpein]

I think I'd pick my speech from the original Blackadder series.



"Now there may be a certain amount of... violence, but we all know it's for a good thing."

[Thor Rand Al]

To be fair here it is Alistair's right to give that speech n to do the killing blow, King or not he is the senior Gray Warden after Riordan dies. If you listen to Riordan's speech when he's telling you about killing the Archdemon he does say it usually falls on the oldest warden to take the final blow. Alistair is the senior warden. As far as the speech, as someone said earlier we don't have a voice n that would be a little hard to do.

[Spitz6860]

yeah, i think the writing team just got a little bit lazy and used the same speech for him regardless if he's the king or not. also after the game ends he stands on the opposite side of Anora, beside the throne, like he's king or something, i thought it was kind of outa place.

[nuculerman]

Spitz6860 wrote...

yeah, i think the writing team just got a little bit lazy and used the same speech for him regardless if he's the king or not. also after the game ends he stands on the opposite side of Anora, beside the throne, like he's king or something, i thought it was kind of outa place.

The whole thing is bugged.  I couldn't get my human noble to keep Allistair alive and be King (or Prince regent or whatever).  Whenever I tried, Allistair would be King.  Earl Eammond referred to him as King, and at the end of the game he was King.  My marriage to Anora was completely ignored.  I tried doing about five different things and finally gave up and reloaded from a previous save and killed Allistair.  It was completely OOC for me to sentence Allistair to death and save Loghain, but at that point I was so pissed at the whole situation that I didn't care anymore.

[Reaverwind]

nuculerman wrote...

Spitz6860 wrote...

yeah, i think the writing team just got a little bit lazy and used the same speech for him regardless if he's the king or not. also after the game ends he stands on the opposite side of Anora, beside the throne, like he's king or something, i thought it was kind of outa place.

The whole thing is bugged.  I couldn't get my human noble to keep Allistair alive and be King (or Prince regent or whatever).  Whenever I tried, Allistair would be King.  Earl Eammond referred to him as King, and at the end of the game he was King.  My marriage to Anora was completely ignored.  I tried doing about five different things and finally gave up and reloaded from a previous save and killed Allistair.  It was completely OOC for me to sentence Allistair to death and save Loghain, but at that point I was so pissed at the whole situation that I didn't care anymore.

It's clear to me the devs got really sloppy with the coding post-Landsmeet on. I encounter wierd dialogs on every playthrough - and had 2 games where Loghain became a recruiter for the Wardens posthumously.

[sylvanaerie]

Reaverwind wrote...

nuculerman wrote...

Spitz6860 wrote...

yeah, i think the writing team just got a little bit lazy and used the same speech for him regardless if he's the king or not. also after the game ends he stands on the opposite side of Anora, beside the throne, like he's king or something, i thought it was kind of outa place.

The whole thing is bugged.  I couldn't get my human noble to keep Allistair alive and be King (or Prince regent or whatever).  Whenever I tried, Allistair would be King.  Earl Eammond referred to him as King, and at the end of the game he was King.  My marriage to Anora was completely ignored.  I tried doing about five different things and finally gave up and reloaded from a previous save and killed Allistair.  It was completely OOC for me to sentence Allistair to death and save Loghain, but at that point I was so pissed at the whole situation that I didn't care anymore.

It's clear to me the devs got really sloppy with the coding post-Landsmeet on. I encounter wierd dialogs on every playthrough - and had 2 games where Loghain became a recruiter for the Wardens posthumously.

Zombie Loghain.  

[SurelyForth]

Spitz6860 wrote...

yeah, i think the writing team just got a little bit lazy and used the same speech for him regardless if he's the king or not. also after the game ends he stands on the opposite side of Anora, beside the throne, like he's king or something, i thought it was kind of outa place.

It sort of makes sense for him to be positioned more prominently than the rest of the audience, as he is also a Grey Warden and is also worthy of commendation (not that he gets any...ever). I guess they couldn't figure out another place to cram him on the main floor so that you can talk to him after the coronation.

I think the speech is lulzy, despite it being powerfully delivered. My favorite part is where he says that you rose the ranks of the Grey Wardens. That's quite the accomplishment, isn't it?

PC: So, all the Wardens are dead...that means one of us-
Alistair: Tag! You're it.
PC: *sigh*

[DJ0000]

sylvanaerie wrote...

Reaverwind wrote...

nuculerman wrote...

Spitz6860 wrote...

yeah, i think the writing team just got a little bit lazy and used the same speech for him regardless if he's the king or not. also after the game ends he stands on the opposite side of Anora, beside the throne, like he's king or something, i thought it was kind of outa place.

The whole thing is bugged.  I couldn't get my human noble to keep Allistair alive and be King (or Prince regent or whatever).  Whenever I tried, Allistair would be King.  Earl Eammond referred to him as King, and at the end of the game he was King.  My marriage to Anora was completely ignored.  I tried doing about five different things and finally gave up and reloaded from a previous save and killed Allistair.  It was completely OOC for me to sentence Allistair to death and save Loghain, but at that point I was so pissed at the whole situation that I didn't care anymore.

It's clear to me the devs got really sloppy with the coding post-Landsmeet on. I encounter wierd dialogs on every playthrough - and had 2 games where Loghain became a recruiter for the Wardens posthumously.

Zombie Loghain.  

Watch out Orlais

[ejoslin]

SurelyForth wrote...

Spitz6860 wrote...

yeah, i think the writing team just got a little bit lazy and used the same speech for him regardless if he's the king or not. also after the game ends he stands on the opposite side of Anora, beside the throne, like he's king or something, i thought it was kind of outa place.

It sort of makes sense for him to be positioned more prominently than the rest of the audience, as he is also a Grey Warden and is also worthy of commendation (not that he gets any...ever). I guess they couldn't figure out another place to cram him on the main floor so that you can talk to him after the coronation.

Out of pure curiosity, what does Alistair do at that point that sets him apart from the rest of the companions?  I mean, of course he's a Grey Warden and of Theirin blood, but what exactly has HE done that has set him above anyone the Warden is traveling with?

I understand if he's king, why he should be giving that speech.  He's the KING!  But otherwise, why him and not the Warden or Riorden or Anora (who should be giving it if she's the solo queen and there)?

edit: Aside from making a mean lamb and pea soup that is . . .

Modifié par ejoslin, 24 février 2010 - 06:28 .

[Reaverwind]

sylvanaerie wrote...

Reaverwind wrote...

nuculerman wrote...

Spitz6860 wrote...

yeah, i think the writing team just got a little bit lazy and used the same speech for him regardless if he's the king or not. also after the game ends he stands on the opposite side of Anora, beside the throne, like he's king or something, i thought it was kind of outa place.

The whole thing is bugged.  I couldn't get my human noble to keep Allistair alive and be King (or Prince regent or whatever).  Whenever I tried, Allistair would be King.  Earl Eammond referred to him as King, and at the end of the game he was King.  My marriage to Anora was completely ignored.  I tried doing about five different things and finally gave up and reloaded from a previous save and killed Allistair.  It was completely OOC for me to sentence Allistair to death and save Loghain, but at that point I was so pissed at the whole situation that I didn't care anymore.

It's clear to me the devs got really sloppy with the coding post-Landsmeet on. I encounter wierd dialogs on every playthrough - and had 2 games where Loghain became a recruiter for the Wardens posthumously.

Zombie Loghain.  

I guess when the Wardens say "At all costs" - they mean it, even if it means raising an undead army and risking an exalted march on them for heretical practices or whatever. Hmmm, I see potiential for a story here...

[SurelyForth]

ejoslin wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

Spitz6860 wrote...

yeah, i think the writing team just got a little bit lazy and used the same speech for him regardless if he's the king or not. also after the game ends he stands on the opposite side of Anora, beside the throne, like he's king or something, i thought it was kind of outa place.

It sort of makes sense for him to be positioned more prominently than the rest of the audience, as he is also a Grey Warden and is also worthy of commendation (not that he gets any...ever). I guess they couldn't figure out another place to cram him on the main floor so that you can talk to him after the coronation.

Out of pure curiosity, what does Alistair do at that point that sets him apart from the rest of the companions?  I mean, of course he's a Grey Warden and of Theirin blood, but what exactly has HE done that has set him above anyone the Warden is traveling with?

I understand if he's king, why he should be giving that speech.  He's the KING!  But otherwise, why him and not the Warden or Riorden or Anora (who should be giving it if she's the solo queen and there)?

edit: Aside from making a mean lamb and pea soup that is . . .

It's the Grey Warden thing, mostly. He is with you from the beginning and he bears the burden of being a Warden just as much as you do.  He guides you through the early stages (mostly the conversations at Flemeth's hut and in Lothering) and, in some games, is the one who pushes the PC to step up. He's also the only companion who will default to continuing to fight the darkspawn (if he's not made king).

He also allows himself to be used to unite the country even though it's the very last thing he wants, which is pretty selfless.

But I did say "sort of makes sense". There is some justification for a Grey Warden to be front and center, since the Wardens are being honored, than there is the other companions. Mostly, though, it's just the fact that the companions are hard-coded to be certain places in the Landsmeet Chamber and, since he can be king, it makes sense for him to be on-stage.

[ejoslin]

SurelyForth wrote...

It's the Grey Warden thing, mostly. He is with you from the beginning and he bears the burden of being a Warden just as much as you do.  He guides you through the early stages (mostly the conversations at Flemeth's hut and in Lothering) and, in some games, is the one who pushes the PC to step up. He's also the only companion who will default to continuing to fight the darkspawn (if he's not made king).

He also allows himself to be used to unite the country even though it's the very last thing he wants, which is pretty selfless.

But I did say "sort of makes sense". There is some justification for a Grey Warden to be front and center, since the Wardens are being honored, than there is the other companions. Mostly, though, it's just the fact that the companions are hard-coded to be certain places in the Landsmeet Chamber and, since he can be king, it makes sense for him to be on-stage.

He really doesn't push the warden -- he doesn't give her a choice at all.  He refuses to lead.  If you ask him why he won't make a choice where to go first, he again outright refuses to lead as he doesn't really know where they should go.  Whether the warden steps up gracefully or not is irrelevant.  And if he's not king, he was not used to to unite the country.

I can buy the Grey Warden being front and center, but where is Riorden?  I don't think it makes sense at all for Alistair to make that speech if he's not king.  I don't think he's supposed to, though.  I think Anora not giving that speech is a bug.

Edit: But he does a helluva job giving it.  It's one of my favorite parts of the game.

Modifié par ejoslin, 24 février 2010 - 07:07 .

[sylvanaerie]

ejoslin wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

It's the Grey Warden thing, mostly. He is with you from the beginning and he bears the burden of being a Warden just as much as you do.  He guides you through the early stages (mostly the conversations at Flemeth's hut and in Lothering) and, in some games, is the one who pushes the PC to step up. He's also the only companion who will default to continuing to fight the darkspawn (if he's not made king).

He also allows himself to be used to unite the country even though it's the very last thing he wants, which is pretty selfless.

But I did say "sort of makes sense". There is some justification for a Grey Warden to be front and center, since the Wardens are being honored, than there is the other companions. Mostly, though, it's just the fact that the companions are hard-coded to be certain places in the Landsmeet Chamber and, since he can be king, it makes sense for him to be on-stage.

He really doesn't push the warden -- he doesn't give her a choice at all.  He refuses to lead.  If you ask him why he won't make a choice where to go first, he again outright refuses to lead as he doesn't really know where they should go.  Whether the warden steps up gracefully or not is irrelevant.  And if he's not king, he was not used to to unite the country.

I can buy the Grey Warden being front and center, but where is Riorden?  I don't think it makes sense at all for Alistair to make that speech if he's not king.  I don't think he's supposed to, though.  I think Anora not giving that speech is a bug.

I expected Anora in the playthrough I made her Queen to do it but it didn't make sense when I thought about it a second time.  After all, she's no warrior, why would she be there on the front lines just to make a speech?  I accepted Alistair making the speech cause Riordan was a johnny come lately who hasn't even been in Ferelden and doing anything toward getting the armies together and what not.  And the PC's speech being as its not voiced would just be a lot of pantomiming.  Ultimately the speech Alistair makes isn't about HIM anyway, its about what the PC has done, what the Gray Wardens collectively have done and what the King died trying to do.  Who else is going to make the speech but the only Gray Warden present who has been with the PC from the beginning?

I guess those who recruit Loghain get to see a speech from him?  I'd find that stranger than Anora giving it.