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[BellaStrega]

rolltide123 wrote...

I dont care about Jennifer Hale's voice on her. Okay? You still with me???
I don't know her its irrelavent. I just think  that the voice is to deep and manly on my character in the video game.
Her personaly no real girls no 
The way I thought she would sound and would like her to sound. Yes its to manly for my taste on my character.
On an actual living breathing person its just fine. Do you get it? Are you with me so far?

You're still saying a woman's voice is too manly. Sorry, but that's messed up.

[BellaStrega]

rolltide123 wrote...

BellaStrega wrote...

Luc0s wrote...

That still doesn't give you a free-pass to call people sexist for their opinion. Just point me out where the topic-starter is being sexist. You can't, because she isn't. You're just jumping to conclusions.

No one asks for a stereotypical femShep (atleast I don't), but that doesn't withold me from feeling that there is something out of place with femShep, though I still can't puth my finger on what it really is. Maybe her animations? Maybe her deep monotone voice? Who knows. But I know femShep isn't a realistic female soldier. That role would go to Ashley. She's a female soldier and I never had the feeling there was something out of place with her character. How come I DO have this feeling with femShep?

So yeah, explain me this. Why does femShep feel out of place while Ashley doesn't?

Fem!Shep doesn't feel out of place to me.

Also, you're acting so enraged and hurt that anyone would call you sexist. You make it sound like being called out on sexism is worse than saying sexist things. This is such a ludicrous proposition it's not even funny. 

Oh? I'm not in enraged or hurt. I'm actually pretty amused.  I just asked a simple question ,maybe I didn't word the best I could ,but I didn't think it was this controversial. Being called out for being sexist over something this little is crazy. It was a simple question no sexism intended.

That was a response to Luc0s, who seems to think that being called out for saying something sexist is the worst possible thing to happen to him. It's clearly much more important than dealing with the actually sexist things he insists on saying.

[HelterSkelter89]

Schroing wrote...

She's not manly, she's a soldier. Don't be so sexist.

there are certain traits that are masculine and certain traits that are femenine. if you hold yourself as a man would and speak like a man would regardless of your vocation you are acting manly. it's not sexist.

[Tisiphne]

They use the same animations for male and female Shepard, which I am certain saves them a lot of money, but will never look quite right. Men and women walk differently due to anatomy.  Nor do we sit the same way. This has nothing to do with shaking one's hips or sitting coyly. Its just the distance between the legs while walking and how we cross our legs.

But as for the speaking, I think the Paragon Shepard seems very empathetic and believable. Renegade FemShep, slightly less. But she is a highly-trained special forces person. Of course she is going to act in a militaristic way, as opposed to a feminine way. I personally think its cool to have a female character who is so gender-ambiguous and not the token femme fatale at all.

Modifié par Tisiphne, 24 février 2010 - 05:02 .

[The Angry One]

HelterSkelter89 wrote...

Schroing wrote...

She's not manly, she's a soldier. Don't be so sexist.

there are certain traits that are masculine and certain traits that are femenine. if you hold yourself as a man would and speak like a man would regardless of your vocation you are acting manly. it's not sexist.

That's vague and silly. What is holding one's self as a man?
Again, there are perceptions of traits that are considered masculine or feminine but these are not rules set in stone.

[Wild Still]

I have a hard time with the concept of femshep being masculine. I mean certainly she isn't dainty or delicate, but I wouldn't refer to her as butch. She's actually a pretty good estimation of the one and only actual female soldier I know. I mean with more Chuck Norris and Zombie thrown in, but still, a pretty close balance.

[BellaStrega]

wizardryforever wrote...

Well really, I can kinda see the point of all of those things, which are based on pseudo-facts.  At least they aren't pure opinion.  Male and femal skills could refer to certain sexual acts that just aren't doable by the opposite sex. 

The second point I can see, given my background (posted earlier).  It gets tiresome quickly when people cry out sexism and racism over the smallest things.  What's funny is that if you point out how irrational those people are being, they often accuse you of racism or sexism.  Case in point : "You humans are all racist!"

The third point ties into the second one, where people take offense too easily.  Both the accuser and the accused.

But that's just my take on things.  I have the uncanny ability to see the other sides of an argument.  More people should try it, the world might be a better place.

None of them are based on facts, pseudo- or otherwise.  All are based on opinion.

Primarily on the opinion that it's unfair to call guys out for their sexist nonsense.

Anyway, you don't seem to be seeing both sides of the argument. You seem to be defending one particular side of the argument, and you don't seem to be acknowledging the other side beyond something to refute.

[BlackCat]

Her voice is a bit deep.She has a more monotone voice; some might like it some might not; simple as that. It's a personal preference. What I don't like is the armor. I wish there were other choices. That is the type of armor for the Alliance, but she does work for Cerberus now ,where apparently you can walk around in spandex and leather. And look at every other female in the game. Alteast if it was like Tali's suit, it'd be nicer.



And of course there are differences between men and women.This is science... Alot of little girls are drawn to dolls and pretend to be mothers when they're young. While alot of boys are drawn to cars,action figures (such as GI Joe) etc., regardless of language,country, or culture. It's just the way it is...



Feminine/Masculine perceptions exist because of social and characteristic behaviors exhibited through out history. It doesn't mean everyone needs to fit a certain mole; people can do whatever they feel is right for them. But should ALL men and women dress the same and behave the same just to prove that we're equal? We are equal but different and that should be ok. Lots of women like dresses,makeup, tight fitting clothes, etc...this is all feminine...

[rabbitchannel]

As a commander, I think there are only 2 options. First: the current one, with some masculinity. Second: hardcore, I'm-all-woman style. Which would be a bit much, I suppose. d:

[Gabey5]

yes it bugged me a bit

[beautifvl_flaw]

She's not at all lady-like, and I like that. She's a soldier, and a good one at that. I really like femshep. Shepard is female to me.

[Mondo47]

I see what everyone's saying here, and the reading/movement is about right for a woman with military service... I just wish Femme-Sheps weren't so skinny in the arms. A little more muscle would just cap it all off.

[MutantSpleen]

I think she is awesome. I love her voice, I love her mannerisms. Sometimes she might be a bit masculine, probably better to say aggressive or forceful. However she is a marine, a special forces marine to boot.



Love the armor too, the armor is perfectly tailored for a female and I always liked the look of the heavy armor the best, did not care for the light or medium armor in ME1 and hated my Vanguard

had to wear medium.



This topic is a little stale though, I get tired of guys saying this. Its like they try to denounce FemShep becasue she does not live up to some idea of what is feminine to them.

[RighteousRage]

Mondo47 wrote...

I see what everyone's saying here, and the reading/movement is about right for a woman with military service... I just wish Femme-Sheps weren't so skinny in the arms. A little more muscle would just cap it all off.

Yeh I find it funny that female Shepard can punch giant robots to death but looks like Martha Stewart. She should at least have some visible muscle tone, haha.

[wizardryforever]

BellaStrega wrote...

wizardryforever wrote...

Well really, I can kinda see the point of all of those things, which are based on pseudo-facts.  At least they aren't pure opinion.  Male and femal skills could refer to certain sexual acts that just aren't doable by the opposite sex. 

The second point I can see, given my background (posted earlier).  It gets tiresome quickly when people cry out sexism and racism over the smallest things.  What's funny is that if you point out how irrational those people are being, they often accuse you of racism or sexism.  Case in point : "You humans are all racist!"

The third point ties into the second one, where people take offense too easily.  Both the accuser and the accused.

But that's just my take on things.  I have the uncanny ability to see the other sides of an argument.  More people should try it, the world might be a better place.

None of them are based on facts, pseudo- or otherwise.  All are based on opinion.

Primarily on the opinion that it's unfair to call guys out for their sexist nonsense.

Anyway, you don't seem to be seeing both sides of the argument. You seem to be defending one particular side of the argument, and you don't seem to be acknowledging the other side beyond something to refute.

That's the thing though, in an argument with no right or wrong answers I feel no obligation to "go with the flow," so to speak.  I don't think I have to defend the position that is prevalent, as it is already being stated well enough.  As I've said before, I don't personally believe these things (Femshep is too masculine etc.) but I feel like there is some truth to it that needs to be considered, not brushed aside as "sexist nonsense."  Also, you seem to be under the impression that sexism is particularly heinous when committed by guys.  There are plenty of women that I have met personally that are openly sexist against guys, but they never get called out for it.  Maybe there are different standards for women, but that just seems hypocritical.  Why is it okay to call guys sexist but not girls?

My point is that regardless of my personal views, I tend to try to moderate any argument by illuminating flaws in the dominant argument.  Weird huh?

[Unwise Wisdom]

I'd like her to be a bit more feminine, mostly to make the difference between male and female shepard bigger and making it more fun to play through the game again.

[Faceman2006]

I skipped most of the posts in this thread as I never play FemSheps, but I can sympathise with the OP - if I was female I don't think I'd really connect to FemSheps voice either.



Take ME1 for example (as I said I've skipped most of the posts so sorry if this has already been mentioned) but Ashley Williams is still a Marine, whose voice and character aren't out of place for a Marine, but who is infinitely more feminine than FemShep.



Still, too late to change it now I guess!

[Klijpoplayxbox]

Don't know if this has been mentioned, as I don't have time to read 13 pages, but my only niggle as to the masculinity of FemShep was dancing. In ME1, she danced like a girl, in ME2, she dances like the maleShep. Kinda glaring when you walk up to an asari and say "You can think I'm dancing with you if you want", or even "I'm a good dancer".

The walk is a bit iffy for both sexes, as the walk itself is very slow, and then you suddenly start jogging.

Minor oversights, though. Hope there's apatch to fix the dancing.....

Modifié par Klijpoplayxbox, 24 février 2010 - 05:38 .

[Terraneaux]

Luc0s wrote...

And you? What is YOUR experience with female soldiers?

They're all nuts.  Even if they seem hot, smart, and nice, don't date them, it will end badly.

Modifié par Terraneaux, 24 février 2010 - 05:48 .

[The Angry One]

So you base this judgement on 2 soldiers you know, both of which are different from each other.

I like the comparisons between Ashley/FemShep too, because they don't act that different other than Shep is more experienced and an officer, and commits the crime of having a different voice.

[JamieCOTC]

Leliana needs to take her shoe shopping. That should fix things. 

[Jayce]

Jalem001 wrote...

All the armor was slim in ME1.  Across the board.  I prefer the bulkier stuff because now they look like soldiers, rather then people in space leotards.

Err... you DO realize that ME2's N7 armor is actually just Onyx MEDIUM armor with a few tweaks and better textures, right...?

[Terraneaux]

Jayce F wrote...

Jalem001 wrote...

All the armor was slim in ME1.  Across the board.  I prefer the bulkier stuff because now they look like soldiers, rather then people in space leotards.

Err... you DO realize that ME2's N7 armor is actually just Onyx MEDIUM armor with a few tweaks and better textures, right...?

It still looks bulkier.  In ME1 some of the characters looked really, really thin even in armor.

[JamieCOTC]

The only female solider I personally know is a lesbian and is more butch than male Shepard. Compared to her, femShep is a Barbie doll. 
When I used to work at a photography studio I would meet female soldiers on occasion. They struck me as being more polite and disciplined than most, but no more or less feminine than any other woman. Mind you, that is based on 15 minute encounters.

Modifié par JamieCOTC, 24 février 2010 - 06:23 .