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Terraneaux wrote...

Jayce F wrote...

Jalem001 wrote...

All the armor was slim in ME1.  Across the board.  I prefer the bulkier stuff because now they look like soldiers, rather then people in space leotards.


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Err... you DO realize that ME2's N7 armor is actually just Onyx MEDIUM armor with a few tweaks and better textures, right...?


It still looks bulkier.  In ME1 some of the characters looked really, really thin even in armor.


Well, it only looks bulkier and that is only because the new textures resemble carbon fiber rather than rubber.

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I am sure femShep could be a lot closer to what people here like to call feminine when she is not performing duties saving the galaxy as a former Speceal Forces Space Marine turned Spectre.



Of course people did not buy ME2 to see how Shepard act's when not doing her job, since the golden rule of any RPG is that if its not important to the story you do not see it happen. You know, stuff like eating, sleeping, showering, going to the latrine, sitting in your cabin reading a book or exercising while the Normandy takes 5 days to travel to a different star system that has no relay, etc.

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This thread makes me giggle because the first time I heard Hale as Femshep I was pleasantly surprised at how feminine she sounded.


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The Angry One wrote...

rolltide123 wrote...

I'm not being sexist I'm a girl.


Sexism of one's own gender is still sexism.

I was just saying that when I first heard the voice (I didn't play ME1) it shocked me and was a lot deeper than I expected. I just don't like it.


Do you expect a miltary commander who just died and came back to sound like a valley girl?

I understand that as a commander (soldier) that you need to be forceful and in charge.
The voice and how her body positioning  just annoyed me.
I was just wondering if anyone thought the same.


I honestly don't get what you expect out of a soldier.


She was a woman before she was a soldier.

I think I saw a thread like this before. I understand what rolltide123 is saying about her mannerisms, and can chalk up a certain amount of that to what I call "The Dizzy Syndrome" after the Starship Troopers character. Had to be better than the boys and tougher too - it looks strange on a woman but depending on choices throughout life most women know what that's like from experience.

But that character also points out the flaw in the whole "what do you expect from a soldier" theory. In private, at the H.S. dance (if you saw the movie), and most revealingly, at Death's door, Dizzy the tougher than guys Space Marine was 100% all woman. The vulnerability, the tenderness, the passion, the eroticism  - all of it.

This is an immense failure in the average man's understanding of women, when portraying them on-screen or in literature. There's far too much tendency to make assertiveness in a woman a complete sacrifice of her femininity. The compromise that is struck is to make her either an ice princess or a temptress with ruthless underpinnings.

There is a middle ground where women are nurturing, confident, loving, sexy, and still iron-willled, determined and capable when the time comes. There are a lot of literary and cinematic examples from writers who are open to this.

Any way it goes though, if they would simply come up with a way to not make my FemShep jog like Grape Ape and walk like something from Dawn of the Dead I would be satisfied!

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BellaStrega wrote...

rolltide123 wrote...

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Luc0s wrote...

That still doesn't give you a free-pass to call people sexist for their opinion. Just point me out where the topic-starter is being sexist. You can't, because she isn't. You're just jumping to conclusions.

No one asks for a stereotypical femShep (atleast I don't), but that doesn't withold me from feeling that there is something out of place with femShep, though I still can't puth my finger on what it really is. Maybe her animations? Maybe her deep monotone voice? Who knows. But I know femShep isn't a realistic female soldier. That role would go to Ashley. She's a female soldier and I never had the feeling there was something out of place with her character. How come I DO have this feeling with femShep?

So yeah, explain me this. Why does femShep feel out of place while Ashley doesn't?


Fem!Shep doesn't feel out of place to me.

Also, you're acting so enraged and hurt that anyone would call you sexist. You make it sound like being called out on sexism is worse than saying sexist things. This is such a ludicrous proposition it's not even funny. 


Oh? I'm not in enraged or hurt. I'm actually pretty amused.  I just asked a simple question ,maybe I didn't word the best I could ,but I didn't think it was this controversial. Being called out for being sexist over something this little is crazy. It was a simple question no sexism intended.


That was a response to Luc0s, who seems to think that being called out for saying something sexist is the worst possible thing to happen to him. It's clearly much more important than dealing with the actually sexist things he insists on saying.


Right... sorry, but... cool story bo...

You're just doing it again. You keep saying that I'm a sexist or saying sexist things, which is just stupid.
Point me out where I'm being sexist. Try it.

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The Angry One wrote...

So you base this judgement on 2 soldiers you know, both of which are different from each other.

I like the comparisons between Ashley/FemShep too, because they
don't act that different other than Shep is more experienced and an
officer, and commits the crime of having a different voice.


2 is always more than 0 in my book.

No, femShep and Ashley are nothing alike, at all.

First of all, Ashley talks more like an actual woman being a woman. She's a soldier, but she's not shy about what she is, a FEMALE soldier. While femShep sounds more like she's trying to hide her femininity by actually forcing her voice to a lower and more serious pitch. This might be just me, but that's how I experience Hale's voice-achting.

Second, Ashley clearly defends her position as a female soldier. Clearly even 200 years ahead of us, people are still prejudiced about women in the army, Ashley tries to show that she can be a good soldier and still a respectable woman. She does this without losing her femininity. And about emotions, not to be sexist or anything, but most women are not good at hiding or pushing away their emotions, neither is Ashley, so that's a plus on BioWares writing skills.

Now femShep, she doesn't have anything of all this. She's just maleShep reskinned with a female model and a female voice-actress.

And while I'm okay with a harsh and cold male Shepard that rarely shows his true emotions and when he does it looks awkward, I'm all perfectly fine with that because it suits the male character. But femShep? No, she's to much of an ice queen to me.

Modifié par Luc0s, 24 février 2010 - 11:18 .


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I'm fine with Hale's voice. I just don't like that female Shepard's animations (particularly sitting) are basically the same as male Shepard's. I don't understand why they couldn't have given female Shepard the "female" sitting pose they give to all other women in the game. Especially when she's drinking with Chakwas in her casual wear.